BmoreGorilla
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I think he only wrote for Mary on one album. I might be wrong tho. Either way they both of the biggest R&B stars of the past 30 years as far as the black community goes. It would only make sense
Verzuz Present: SWV vs Xscape | 5/8 8PM ET
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yea. ABC was the kid group that we absolutely knew was from atlanta. moreso than kriss kross.
but ABC was the kid's version of BBD. the r&b/rap hybrid thing. as opposed to kriss kross, who were str8 hip-hop. thats why i left ABC out of this.
we knew who JD was and where he was from.
the early '90s was when atlanta became the black music capital via transplants. but JD was the hip-hop guy and you knew he was really from there.
people outside of atlanta, didnt know or care about whether or not JD had direct ties to the atlanta hip-hop circuit. those are local arguments. not national.
again, nobody cares about how the music sounded. its about putting that stamp on the map.
outkast didnt blow up until 2 years later. and on top of that, JD brought da brat out during that time, and she was bigger than outkast. we thought da brat was from atlanta back then. she was basically the biggest atlanta rap star for a few years until she started making it known that she was from chicago.
and you could dissect outkast the same way youre disecting JD, seeing how alot of people thought outkast was from california, rapping like souls of mischief & them.
plus, dungeon family morse made music for critics & native tongue fans. they didnt have the all-around cultural impact.
if we're keeping it a bean, atlanta didnt really get any mainstream rappers that took you to atlanta until the crunk movement. so by your logics, lil jon put atlanta hip-hop on the map.
really NOBODY put atlanta on, as it was already the place to be before atlanta hip-hop became a thing. even with the kriss kross argument, ABC was already huge before kriss kross came out.
the bottom line is that JD & so so def put the stamp on it, and the logo was the face of it throughout the '90s.
I thought Xscape won
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SWV was new york all day, all the way.
they only did songs with new york & north jersey rappers too, outside of the "men in black" hook.
This.
Features:
Juicy
One More Chance (original)
Loungin
Hypnotize
this is why total has no business in the ring with these groups.
this list is just as big as your list of actual total songs.
and aside from "loungin", theyre not even credited for these hooks. most people dont know thats them on there, and they couldve pulled any random chick off the bus stop to do those hooks.
Jermaine was in the background though in terms of superstardom. Kriss Kross were the superstars, not JD. And of course, Jermaine was going to be talked about. He discovered them and wrote and produced for them.
What I'm saying is nobody was associating Jermaine until later. He was never the face of Atlanta.
yea thats a better comparison,
702 versus total.
you buggin,
702 has more hits than total actually.
youre blinded by the bad boy stimulus.
SWV did not only do songs with NY and NJ rappers. E-40, Snoop, and Missy all appear on Release Some Tension.
It doesn't matter what they were credited for. Those are still songs they could use in a Verzuz. Ya'll be talking about who sings better, had more hits, and who sold more records, when it's obviously not about all that. Coko was not credited for "Men In Black", but they played the song last night. And the fact that most people don't know thats them on the hooks is exactly one of the biggest reasons why Verzuz exists: to educate people about classics.
JD was a star producer/writer and was all up in the videos. he was synonymous with kriss kross & TLC. basically the two biggest groups in black music at the time.
then he came out with his own label and put on more stars.
same way puffy became a star a couple years later, and JD put in way more work than him.
Breh, Jermaine Dupri was not synonymous with TLC. He produced like two songs for them and neither of them were major hits.
Puff and Jermaine were not the same animal. Bad Boy was a way bigger deal than So So Def. Puff had clout from working with Heavy D, Jodeci, and Mary J. Blige at Uptown.
i wasnt involved in whatever argument youre referring to in the bolded. you aint hear that from me.
coko didnt want it out there in real-time that she was on the "men in black" hook, as it was too commercial.
missy's really not a rapper. thats why i skipped over her. she prolly wrote the entire song that she appeared on. prolly sung the hook on the reference track too.
the label had them doing songs with snoop, e-40 and all them other rappers on that album. they were complaining about the label doing that, as well as that album on their Unsung. that album wasnt really them. it was all over the place. not saying that they had anything against any of those rappers, especially not snoop. but you gave a bad example there.
Exactly. Dallas Austin or Babyface would have been a better example, but then again music savant Wacky was like 9 when Creep dropped
BmoreGorilla
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He didn’t really play the background tho. I fact I remember he was being hailed as a young genius becuz he was still a teen but was behind one of the biggest acts in music
BmoreGorilla
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Yup ABC was known to be from there but they were with that whole East Coast Family thing. JD and was the first ATL mogulyea. ABC was the kid group that we absolutely knew was from atlanta. moreso than kriss kross.
but ABC was the kid's version of BBD. the r&b/rap hybrid thing. as opposed to kriss kross, who were str8 hip-hop. thats why i left ABC out of this.
we knew who JD was and where he was from.
the early '90s was when atlanta became the black music capital via transplants. but JD was the hip-hop guy and you knew he was really from there.
people outside of atlanta, didnt know or care about whether or not JD had direct ties to the atlanta hip-hop circuit. those are local arguments. not national.
again, nobody cares about how the music sounded. its about putting that stamp on the map.
outkast didnt blow up until 2 years later. and on top of that, JD brought da brat out during that time, and she was bigger than outkast. we thought da brat was from atlanta back then. she was basically the biggest atlanta rap star for a few years until she started making it known that she was from chicago.
and you could dissect outkast the same way youre disecting JD, seeing how alot of people thought outkast was from california, rapping like souls of mischief & them.
plus, dungeon family morse made music for critics & native tongue fans. they didnt have the all-around cultural impact.
if we're keeping it a bean, atlanta didnt really get any mainstream rappers that took you to atlanta until the crunk movement. so by your logics, lil jon put atlanta hip-hop on the map.
really NOBODY put atlanta on, as it was already the place to be before atlanta hip-hop became a thing. even with the kriss kross argument, ABC was already huge before kriss kross came out.
the bottom line is that JD & so so def put the stamp on it, and the logo was the face of it throughout the '90s.