Verzuz Present: SWV vs Xscape | 5/8 8PM ET

[dora_da_destroyer]

that craig mack was the blackstreet song, you right.
thing is, he was the only one that was already a star when he worked with them so i didnt even have to put that on there.

theres no label politics involved in doing songs with smooth the hustler, or wutang when their debut album wasnt selling.
and clearly all these rappers were either NY or north jerz.

if you need for them to do a NEW YORK anthem to recognize that they were clearly some new york girls(prolly from jamaica queens or some chit). then i dont know what to tell you. i'll just end this chit here.

did you not know that mary j blige was from new york?? theres realy no difference in her approach.

knowing where someone is from and arguing their music is of x-region are two very different things. there was nothing NY about SWV's music, them being from NY is no where near the top thoughts someone has about SWV and definitely not what people think of when they think of their music

and MJB was way more into reppin NY in her videos and photoshoots

Jersey MJB rocks in her video

Jerseys SWV rocked

 

[JustCKing]

he was in all the videos from TLC first album, except maybe the 1st one.
and of course we knew him from kriss kross.
both groups came out pretty much the same time and instantly became the two biggest groups in black music. and hes ALL IN EVERY VIDEO.

no it wasnt "they got JD in the video".
it was moreso "who is this guy? he must be the man" and then the rest was quickly pieced together.

Breh, if you were asking "Who is this guy?" , you're proving my point. How do you deduce he must be the man, when neither group was established at that point? They were on their way.

If you didn't know who he was, it doesn't matter that he was all in the videos.

 

[JustCKing]

I've spent pages arguing this exact point with multiple posters in here and now I see my argument as a defense in another argument? why do I even bother?

 

[Wacky D]

Breh, Missy RAPPED on the song. She is generally viewed as a rapper. Every guest spot she had up to that point was her rapping not singing. Missy hadn't been a full on singer since Sista, which was 1993.



It wasn't an R&B/R&B collabo, but you wouldn't know that because you don't even know the song in question.

702- Steelo feat. Missy Elliott RAPPING

Gina Thompson- Things You Do feat. Missy RAPPING

MC Lyte- Cold Rock A Party feat. Missy RAPPING

New Edition feat. Missy Elliott RAPPING

a bunch of r&b rap.

not one hip-hop collabo on there except a mc lyte on the goofiest song she ever did.

PLEASE STOP.

 

[JustCKing]

sorry to break it to you, but atlanta was still viewed as an r&b city, long after outkast blew up.

Wrong. Before OutKast, if you mentioned Atlanta in a Hip Hop discussion, who were you going to use to say Atlanta wasn't an R&B city? Arrested? Another Bad Creation? Kriss Kross?

After Outkast, you could throw Kast and Goodie Mob into that discussion and people look at it as, "OK, I'll give yout that, Atlanta finally has some respectable Hip Hop". So no, Atlanta wasn't no longer just an R&B city after OutKast.

nobody who was around in real-time says that, except people who want to alter history on the slick. basically, what youre doing in this thread.

Breh, when it comes to altering history, you are this sites biggest offender.

i answered the question before you jumped in asking. i answered it in the post that you quoted actually. you dont read.

No you didn't. I asked

What is your correlation between JD and Magic City?

No answer. Also, you have yet to tell us how Ghetto Mafia dissed Kast for misrepresenting Atlanta because I have interviews of them giving Kast props even explaining that "we stole big boy car" wasn't about Big Boi of Kast. They also talk about how label politics got in the way of Kast doing music with them. They did have some words for the later ATL scene of trappers who never give Ghetto Mafia props.

Now if you want to talk about rewriting history, I could list off several instances in this thread alone where you're guilty.

 

[JustCKing]

a bunch of r&b rap.

not one hip-hop collabo on there except a mc lyte on the goofiest song she ever did.

PLEASE STO

Breh, none of these are R&B artists collaborating with Missy to sing a hook or a verse. This is you seeing proof and refusing to acknowledge because you don't have a clue as to what you're talking about. You've gone back and forth for pages about SWV not working with rappers outside of NY and NJ. You were hit with the proof and are STILL in here arguing. On top of it all, you're not even making sense. Bottom line, it doesn't matter what you consider Missy, she rapped on SWV's single and she's from Virginia. E-40 and Snoop were on the same album and they are from Cali. DEAL WITH IT.

 

[Wacky D]

Breh, none of these are R&B artists collaborating with Missy to sing a hook or a verse. This is you seeing proof and refusing to acknowledge because you don't have a clue as to what you're talking about. You've gone back and forth for pages about SWV not working with rappers outside of NY and NJ. You were hit with the proof and are STILL in here arguing. On top of it all, you're not even making sense. Bottom line, it doesn't matter what you consider Missy, she rapped on SWV's single and she's from Virginia. E-40 and Snoop were on the same album and they are from Cali. DEAL WITH IT.

missy aint really a rapper. stop pretending that shes rah digga.

the label forced those other collabs on the third album. what part of that do you not understand?? or do you just not understand the premise of this argument before you jumped into it??

 

[Wacky D]

knowing where someone is from and arguing their music is of x-region are two very different things. there was nothing NY about SWV's music, them being from NY is no where near the top thoughts someone has about SWV and definitely not what people think of when they think of their music

and MJB was way more into reppin NY in her videos and photoshoots

Jersey MJB rocks in her video

Jerseys SWV rocked

dap-fishing,

you act as if SWV didnt wear new york jerseys as well.

mary j wore jerseys of other cities' teams too. you do realize that, right??

 

[Wacky D]

And he’s admitted as such when Welcome to Atlanta dropped and he was happy about it because that’s the first time he had a #1 record in the city. nikkas talking out they ass in this thread

and what the hell does that have to do with putting something on the map on the national scope outside of the city??

this is not rocket science. some of yall are just

If this had been the initial post, there would be no arguments here. Jermaine was truly pivotal in ATL music. There is no denying that and anyone who did would be foolish. There's a difference between being pivotal and putting the city on the map though.

Him not having a #1 record in the city speaks to what I was talking about before. JD was not looked at in that regard, which is why I am saying he didn't put Atlanta on. Nobody checks for JD because he's JD the same way nobody checks for Atlanta because of JD. He's produced songs and introduced artists that people love to this day, but when you think of Atlanta, JD isn't gonna be one of the first people to come to mind as much as some song or some artist he might've been a part of. Whereas OutKast is definitely a face for the city, if not the whole state. Nobody was asking for JD to do the half time show neither year the Super Bowl was held in ATL. Everybody was up in arms, even people outside the city, when Kast wasn't the headlining act for the half time show that year. People actually thought it was a no brainer when it was announced that the Super Bowl would be in Atlanta.

see the post above man.

and as for the bolded, who are these people that you speak of?? internet nerds on rap forums??
you really think the first act people expected was outkast and not somebody like Usher?? get real.......oh and usher is a JD product, btw.

 

[JustCKing]

and what the hell does that have to do with putting something on the map on the national scope outside of the city??

this is not rocket science. some of yall are just





see the post above man.

and as for the bolded, who are these people that you speak of?? internet nerds on rap forums??
you really think the first act people expected was outkast and not somebody like Usher?? get real.......oh and usher is a JD product, btw.

Breh, this has nothing to do with the Internet. I'm talking people offline wanted Outkast as headliners. And I would say Kast is more synonymous with Atlanta than Usher.

Jermaine definitely reshaped Usher career and helped to mold him into what he became, Usher had several producers who were integral in what he became. "U Remind Me" produced by Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis gave the world an all grown up Usher for example.

 

[JustCKing]

missy aint really a rapper. stop pretending that shes rah digga.

the label forced those other collabs on the third album. what part of that do you not understand?? or do you just not understand the premise of this argument before you jumped into it??

Again. NOBODY cares that you don't think Missy Elliott isn't a rapper. When was Rah Digga ever the prototypical female rapper? And by the way, there's a big difference between a rapper and a lyricist and an MC.

Breh, you obviously didn't get the premise as toured still arguing AFTER being proven wrong.

 

[Wacky D]

Wrong. Before OutKast, if you mentioned Atlanta in a Hip Hop discussion, who were you going to use to say Atlanta wasn't an R&B city? Arrested? Another Bad Creation? Kriss Kross?

After Outkast, you could throw Kast and Goodie Mob into that discussion and people look at it as, "OK, I'll give yout that, Atlanta finally has some respectable Hip Hop". So no, Atlanta wasn't no longer just an R&B city after OutKast.



Breh, when it comes to altering history, you are this sites biggest offender.


No you didn't. I asked

What is your correlation between JD and Magic City?

No answer. Also, you have yet to tell us how Ghetto Mafia dissed Kast for misrepresenting Atlanta because I have interviews of them giving Kast props even explaining that "we stole big boy car" wasn't about Big Boi of Kast. They also talk about how label politics got in the way of Kast doing music with them. They did have some words for the later ATL scene of trappers who never give Ghetto Mafia props.

Now if you want to talk about rewriting history, I could list off several instances in this thread alone where you're guilty.

1. all that "respectable" nonsense is really just rap nerd/purist talk. lets just call it like it is; outkast made music for the native tongues audience. so the critics/writers/etc will push those types of narratives but chit really aint that serious.

and as for the r&b thing, atlanta was seen as more of an r&b city all thru the '90s. outkast didnt change that. in fact, most of their chit was very much laface r&b with the vibes. stop acting like they were rugged.

2. i answered the question already. in the SAME EXACT post you quoted when you tried to ask me. the answer to your question was right there. your problem is you argue before you read.

3. bro, i really could give two chits about magic city. im just saying people generally know about it because of JD. youre asking me trivial questions about some chit that i dont care about.

4. so ghetto mafia is cleaning their chit up these days. okay.

Breh, this has nothing to do with the Internet. I'm talking people offline wanted Outkast as headliners. And I would say Kast is more synonymous with Atlanta than Usher.

Jermaine definitely reshaped Usher career and helped to mold him into what he became, Usher had several producers who were integral in what he became. "U Remind Me" produced by Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis gave the world an all grown up Usher for example.

lol. youre just saying chit.

as for the usher thing, yea he had other producers but we know who was the most integral.
also, that "you remind me" isnt the best example but whatever.

 

[Wacky D]

Again. NOBODY cares that you don't think Missy Elliott isn't a rapper. When was Rah Digga ever the prototypical female rapper? And by the way, there's a big difference between a rapper and a lyricist and an MC.

Breh, you obviously didn't get the premise as toured still arguing AFTER being proven wrong.

AGAIN, do you understand the premise of this side-argument that you jumped into??

cuz going back-n-forth with you on this, is pretty pointless.

 

[spliz]

missy aint really a rapper. stop pretending that shes rah digga.

the label forced those other collabs on the third album. what part of that do you not understand?? or do you just not understand the premise of this argument before you jumped into it??

Missy was looked at as a rapper bruh. Especially in the 90s. About 90% of her singles was rap singles.

 

[Wacky D]

Missy was looked at as a rapper bruh. Especially in the 90s. About 90% of her singles was rap singles.

thats a lie.
you dudes are just missy fans, for whatever strange reasons.

missy's 1st album had 3 videos. she only rapped in the 1st video.
2nd album, i dont even remember well, cuz it was such a flop until the hot boyz remix where she mostly sang.