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Because something something cameo, something ABC, something OutKast created the whole ass city of Atlanta

I’m still trying to figure out how the man who represents the biggest pool of talent coming out of ATL isn’t the face of ATL. That nikka JD IS ATL. Lol

 

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And you're missing the point. Who claimed any of those people were the face of the respective cities they were from?

What I'm saying is how can JD be the face of a city or put on a city when ya'll didn't even know he was from said city without reading about it. Go ahead and lie and tell me you saw JD in a TLC or Kriss Kross video and instantly thought about Atlanta. Lie and tell me that you saw JD in those videos and actually cared who he was. Ya'll bogus knowing full well JD wasn't a factor until after he did Da Brat, and gave Usher's career a makeover. That is my point. I don't think I've seen anyone mention any of the artists you named as artists who put those respective cities on.

And you point out he had credits on TLC albums. I've already mentioned that. Breh, out of the three albums they released in the 90's, JD had one song on each album. None of those were hits. Meanwhile, you look at "Waterfalls", which was Organized Noize , it's one of, if not biggest song that TLC had.

Outkast wasn't a group that just had some little buzz. They were guests on Martin, one of the biggest shows in the Black community.

Breh, Kriss Kross never reached what Kast reached in 1994 because they were a kid group. It would be like saying Dre, Snoop, Cube, nor Pac did what Hammer did for Cali because Hammer had a diamond album that wasn't a double cd. Everybody knows that musically, they all had a greater impact than Hammer.

And another key point, ya'll keep talking about JD being behind these artists. OutKast was at the forefront. You didn't have to read credits, because they were front and center.

I don't get it, I even posted words from JD's own lips where he talks about albums that put Atlanta on and he specifically cites Kast's debut as the one that put eyes on Atlanta. His list included his own debut, TLC's first two albums, Usher's Confessions, Kriss Kross's debut, and Speakerboxxx/Love Below, a few Lil Jon albums, and Jeezy's Thug Motivation. Out of all those albums, Kast's was the only one he said made people pay attention to Atlanta.

He said they made people take Atlanta EMCEES serious. Of course he can’t take claim to that being that he had Kris Kross and was more in tune with the RnB scene. But we talking about overall fam. I just brought this argument to my wife today and she looked at me like I was nuts. Lol. No one who is old enough to have this conversation can deny this shyt fam.

 

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He said they made people take Atlanta EMCEES serious. Of course he can’t take claim to that being that he had Kris Kross and was more in tune with the RnB scene. But we talking about overall fam. I just brought this argument to my wife today and she looked at me like I was nuts. Lol. No one who is old enough to have this conversation can deny this shyt fam.

This is the direct quote from JD:
7. Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik by [artist id="776"]Outkast[/artist]

"Southernplayalistic was the first classic rap album to come from ATL and the eye-opener for other cities that our time was coming."

Jermaine Dupri Picks The 10 Albums That Define Atlanta

^^^ I posted this pages ago.

Breh, I am 35. I remember Kriss Kross coming out and the whole backwards pants phase. I remember when Xscape debuted. I watched the Different World episode featuring them in real time. I remember So So Def first taking off. There wasn't the same synergy around any of them. When Kast dropped, it coincided with Freaknik that year and the whole atmosphere was different. When it came to Freaknik, Bass music dominated. Kast gave that whole scene something else besides that. It also wasn't long before Atlanta got its own Hot 97.5, which would play mostly Hip Hop. This wasn't happening before.

 

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I’m still trying to figure out how the man who represents the biggest pool of talent coming out of ATL isn’t the face of ATL. That nikka JD IS ATL. Lol

Breh, Andre Harrell put on more artists from New York than Jay Z. And when you look at the pool of talent and its associates, we're looking at some of the most important artists from NY. Tell me that Andre Harrell is the face of NY.

 

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Breh, Andre Harrell put on more artists from New York than Jay Z. And when you look at the pool of talent and its associates, we're looking at some of the most important artists from NY. Tell me that Andre Harrell is the face of NY.

We comparing Andre Harrell to JD now? Why not Puffy? Who was very much one of the faces of NYC...

 

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This is the direct quote from JD:
7. Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik by [artist id="776"]Outkast[/artist]

"Southernplayalistic was the first classic rap album to come from ATL and the eye-opener for other cities that our time was coming."

Jermaine Dupri Picks The 10 Albums That Define Atlanta

^^^ I posted this pages ago.

Breh, I am 35. I remember Kriss Kross coming out and the whole backwards pants phase. I remember when Xscape debuted. I watched the Different World episode featuring them in real time. I remember So So Def first taking off. There wasn't the same synergy around any of them. When Kast dropped, it coincided with Freaknik that year and the whole atmosphere was different. When it came to Freaknik, Bass music dominated. Kast gave that whole scene something else besides that. It also wasn't long before Atlanta got its own Hot 97.5, which would play mostly Hip Hop. This wasn't happening before.

Did u skip over the fact where he said first classic RAP album. He meant let other cities know they were coming when it comes to RAP TALENT brodie. U dead arguing to argue bro. That JD quote proves nothing and honestly I don’t even feel Outkast themselves would agree with u putting them over JD on an overall scale.

 

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Breh, Andre Harrell put on more artists from New York than Jay Z. And when you look at the pool of talent and its associates, we're looking at some of the most important artists from NY. Tell me that Andre Harrell is the face of NY.

Was Andre Harrell an artist? Correct person would be Puffy. Who yes. Is considered one of the faces of NYC. And that’s amongst the MANY faces of NYC. ATL didn’t have the sheer numbers which is why JD stood out. nikka was basically the SOLE mini P Diddy of ATL.

 

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Was Andre Harrell an artist? Correct person would be Puffy. Who yes. Is considered one of the faces of NYC. And that’s amongst the MANY faces of NYC. ATL didn’t have the sheer numbers which is why JD stood out. nikka was basically the SOLE mini P Diddy of ATL.

What does it matter whether or not he was an artist? You made it a point to point how JD put on a bigger pool of talent, but OK, I'll play along.

Puff Daddy as an artist sold more copies than the biggest artist on his label. No Way Out sold like 7 million copies. That's more than any Jay Z album. Puff's album had these big NY anthems that are still staples ("Benjamins" and "Victory"). He was even instrumental in putting Jay Z on because his Hitmen squad helped Jay's first platinum album. You know all this. That is why I didn't list Puff because when he was instrumental in putting Jay where Jay is AND his own career as a solo artist was so huge he has a whole era named after the shiny suits.

Meanwhile, what do we make of JD's career in the spotlight. He has a platinum album and the biggest song from that features an NY artist.

JD did not stand out because he was foremost a producer. He was producing at a time when producers weren't exactly "the super producer" that took over later where they were literally on EVERYBODY'S song.

 

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No offense, and I participated, but these last 10 pages need to be moved from this thread. Completely lost the topic, not even arguing hypothetical matches which usually happens at the end of these

 

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Did u skip over the fact where he said first classic RAP album. He meant let other cities know they were coming when it comes to RAP TALENT brodie. U dead arguing to argue bro. That JD quote proves nothing and honestly I don’t even feel Outkast themselves would agree with u putting them over JD on an overall scale.

I didn't skip over it. What is the title of the article? He talks about 10 albums and some of them came before Kast, he meant Atlanta as a whole. He did not put that distinction beside any other album. Why didn't he say it was TLC's album that let everybody know our time was coming? TLC was the first ATL act on the label, he doesn't say our time was coming when he listed their debut. He doesn't say it about Kriss Kross's debut either.

 

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We comparing Andre Harrell to JD now? Why not Puffy? Who was very much one of the faces of NYC...

Breh, JD as an artist has two albums. One platinum and the other didn't do well. Puff has an album that went 7X platinum, and another album that went platinum in the midst of the world being anti- Puff. Comparing Jermaine Dupri to Puff outside of making beats and writing (which Puff loses because he doesn't), is laughable. Talent wise, JD>>>>> Puff. Overall, the two of them aren't on the same level.

 

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Breh, JD as an artist has two albums. One platinum and the other didn't do well. Puff has an album that went 7X platinum, and another album that went platinum in the midst of the world being anti- Puff. Comparing Jermaine Dupri to Puff outside of making beats and writing (which Puff loses because he doesn't), is laughable. Talent wise, JD>>>>> Puff. Overall, the two of them aren't on the same level.

They were still the same type of exec, mascot, label head, and yes, artist - clearly puff had more success. But Andre Harrell was a pure exec like La Reid, the better comparison.

 

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What does it matter whether or not he was an artist? You made it a point to point how JD put on a bigger pool of talent, but OK, I'll play along.

Puff Daddy as an artist sold more copies than the biggest artist on his label. No Way Out sold like 7 million copies. That's more than any Jay Z album. Puff's album had these big NY anthems that are still staples ("Benjamins" and "Victory"). He was even instrumental in putting Jay Z on because his Hitmen squad helped Jay's first platinum album. You know all this. That is why I didn't list Puff because when he was instrumental in putting Jay where Jay is AND his own career as a solo artist was so huge he has a whole era named after the shiny suits.

Meanwhile, what do we make of JD's career in the spotlight. He has a platinum album and the biggest song from that features an NY artist.

JD did not stand out because he was foremost a producer. He was producing at a time when producers weren't exactly "the super producer" that took over later where they were literally on EVERYBODY'S song.

Did u forget that No Way Out featured songs from recently deceased Biggie? And one of the biggest tribute songs of all time? U can’t just list off numbers without context. It also popped off the superstardom of Mase and him and Mase as a tag team duo. Do u remember the amount of money Puff put behind that? The songs on that album? The features. Yes everything was bigger. JD was a very smaller scale Puff with a bigger pool of HIP HOP talent at his disposal. Don’t get it twisted. Life In 1472 had DMX, Nas, Jay Z, Lil Kim, Mase, Krayzie Bone etc etc but still. Puff’s associated acts leading up to No Way Out were bigger. Mixed with the controversy of Biggie’s passing and all that rolled in one made for a storm of superstardom in Puff. Yes Puff was far more successful. And the artist he was associated with at the time were too. But regardless, Andre Harrell was a terrible comparison. Puff was the right comparison even tho Puff was far bigger. Only artist label head who was comparable to Puff back then was Dr Dre. And at that point Dre left Death Row and Aftermath wasn’t hot yet.

 

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Did u forget that No Way Out featured songs from recently deceased Biggie? And one of the biggest tribute songs of all time? U can’t just list off numbers without context. It also popped off the superstardom of Mase and him and Mase as a tag team duo. Do u remember the amount of money Puff put behind that? The songs on that album? The features. Yes everything was bigger. JD was a very smaller scale Puff with a bigger pool of HIP HOP talent at his disposal. Don’t get it twisted. Life In 1472 had DMX, Nas, Jay Z, Lil Kim, Mase, Krayzie Bone etc etc but still. Puff’s associated acts leading up to No Way Out were bigger. Mixed with the controversy of Biggie’s passing and all that rolled in one made for a storm of superstardom in Puff. Yes Puff was far more successful. And the artist he was associated with at the time were too. But regardless, Andre Harrell was a terrible comparison. Puff was the right comparison even tho Puff was far bigger. Only artist label head who was comparable to Puff back then was Dr Dre. And at that point Dre left Death Row and Aftermath wasn’t hot yet.

Why didn't Life After Death sell more than No Way Out then? That was Biggie's album and if Puff capitalized on the death, wouldn't it make more sense to, you know, cop Biggie's album. That's beside the point though. In any case, Puff is one of the biggest artists from NYC. You CANNOT say that JD is one of the biggest artists from Atlanta.Puff was not the right comparison because JD was never anywhere near Puff's status when he had the spotlight. Andre Harrell was a far better comparison because he was one of the pioneers that helped set up the modern NY scene in the 90's, but wasn't the face of NY same way JD was important to the come up of Atlanta, but wasn't the face. Both put on prominent artists from their city as well. Perfect comparison.

JD's solo debut dropped the same year as Kast's Aquemini. His album featured Mariah, Usher, Xscape, DMX, Slick Rick, Nas, Mase, and a host of others. You telling me that "the face of Atlanta" couldn't outsell OutKast and Aquemini didn't have the hits that their previous albums had while JD had a single that featured Mariah Carey.

 

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Breh, JD as an artist has two albums. One platinum and the other didn't do well. Puff has an album that went 7X platinum, and another album that went platinum in the midst of the world being anti- Puff. Comparing Jermaine Dupri to Puff outside of making beats and writing (which Puff loses because he doesn't), is laughable. Talent wise, JD>>>>> Puff. Overall, the two of them aren't on the same level.

Nah at that moment in time JD wasn’t far off Diddy, this is the guy who was executive producing Mariah Carey and Usher albums, to say it’s laughable it’s revisionist history...

And how many platinum albums did Andre Harrell have the guy you initially compared him to?