Velma, of Scooby Doo, alternative animation, HBO max, Jan 12

[Luke Cage]

Wow, people hate tf outta this show.

Lost me at the fact that theres no scooby in this.

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

Plenty of bad series come out all the time. Some of them remakes of other properties. The only reason this is getting special attention is because a non-white person is the driving force behind it and some races were modified on the show.

Is that especially egregious? We all know if all these characters were white and the show was still bad it would have had a moment and people would have already moved on. Literally the only reason people care so deeply is because these characters races were changed. Is their races being changed what makes this show so bad? No.

Yeah, but it's a bad show. Bad shows get shyt on all the time. That gay movie tried to hide behind the whole, "people are making a big deal about this movie being bad because they are homophobes" bullshyt until gay people were like, "yeah, this shyt isn't good."

I don't care if the alt right is dog piling on shytty shows. I'm not going to jump on a grenade for Mindy Kaling's piss poor vanity project. It's a bad show. The end.

 

[KingBeez]

This show is complete shyt.

 

[Artificial Intelligence]

It’s a max original HBO reputation is safe

 

[Zero]

I disagree. There are a lot of problems but perhaps the origin is white studio execs viewing demographics as numbers, not people. They look at the success of Get Out, Moonlight, and Black Panther and say "I want black audiences." But they aren't interested in black stories, or black characters...they just want black people in the theatre or streaming at home. That's the crux of the character race swapping that's going on. Why tell black stories or create black characters when you can make Ariel from The Little Mermaid black, roll out the "diversity and representation matters" influencers on social media to hype your shyt, and call it a day. This is not only applied to black people, it's applied to women and LGBTQ demographics.

The other side of the diversity coin is hiring diverse creatives to run certain shows or films. Which is a good thing in theory right? Yet in nearly every case what we're seeing is an army of hacks get jobs to work on IPs they don't even give a fukk about. The showrunner for She-Hulk didn't read the comics, the showrunner for the Witcher despises the books, and it's clear the people involved in Velma don't give a fukk about Scooby Doo. These are often women - and usually white women - who were unsuccessful at getting their own ideas or shows greenlit. So they are given an established IP which they then use to essentially make the show they really wanted to make, while shytcanning the IP. And when the fans of the IP complain or revolt, the creatives start talking about racism and sexism. Then the studio comes to their aid and attack all the fans - instead of just the problematic ones. Rinse and repeat.

The end result is unauthentic, bad content that flops. On one hand you have people complaining about "woke" shyt, on the other hand you have fans defending the show/movie from racism/sexism/etc. Yet neither side really gives a fukk about the actual show/movie and it bombs. The studio quietly cancels it. Then they start the process up again. The social media coverage is almost more important than actual ratings, as these streaming companies once again focus on demographics: if we come out, say the right things, defend the right causes...black people will tune in. But again, that's not how this works.

This whole post needs to be framed but the bolded was especially


Seen that shyt happen in real time when I still read comics. America Chavez from the Young Avengers somehow managed to get her own book written by a stereotypical looking lesbian who had never written a comic before. The book was unsurprisingly bad and panned from all sides but the damage was done and the cycle played out just as you said.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

I disagree. There are a lot of problems but perhaps the origin is white studio execs viewing demographics as numbers, not people. They look at the success of Get Out, Moonlight, and Black Panther and say "I want black audiences." But they aren't interested in black stories, or black characters...they just want black people in the theatre or streaming at home. That's the crux of the character race swapping that's going on. Why tell black stories or create black characters when you can make Ariel from The Little Mermaid black, roll out the "diversity and representation matters" influencers on social media to hype your shyt, and call it a day. This is not only applied to black people, it's applied to women and LGBTQ demographics.

The other side of the diversity coin is hiring diverse creatives to run certain shows or films. Which is a good thing in theory right? Yet in nearly every case what we're seeing is an army of hacks get jobs to work on IPs they don't even give a fukk about. The showrunner for She-Hulk didn't read the comics, the showrunner for the Witcher despises the books, and it's clear the people involved in Velma don't give a fukk about Scooby Doo. These are often women - and usually white women - who were unsuccessful at getting their own ideas or shows greenlit. So they are given an established IP which they then use to essentially make the show they really wanted to make, while shytcanning the IP. And when the fans of the IP complain or revolt, the creatives start talking about racism and sexism. Then the studio comes to their aid and attack all the fans - instead of just the problematic ones. Rinse and repeat.

The end result is unauthentic, bad content that flops. On one hand you have people complaining about "woke" shyt, on the other hand you have fans defending the show/movie from racism/sexism/etc. Yet neither side really gives a fukk about the actual show/movie and it bombs. The studio quietly cancels it. Then they start the process up again. The social media coverage is almost more important than actual ratings, as these streaming companies once again focus on demographics: if we come out, say the right things, defend the right causes...black people will tune in. But again, that's not how this works.

That's why I've never gotten down with all this race swapping shyt. It's all an illusion, studios saying "Here nikka damn!"

Instead of giving us our own stories, they just drop somebody who'll just be a footnote in a long line of whiteness.

 

[kt773]

This shyt wack as hell

 

[Luke Cage]

That's why I've never gotten down with all this race swapping shyt. It's all an illusion, studios saying "Here nikka damn!"

Instead of giving us our own stories, they just drop somebody who'll just be a footnote in a long line of whiteness.

Yep, exactly. I compare it using marvel as an example. It feels much more inculsive doing projects like Luke Cage and Black Panther, than is does just making one of the eternals a breh or giving ironman a black sidekick. Giving black actors work is nice, but we also want black stories told.

 

[humminbird]

if this is true edit fake

 

[Luke Cage]

if this is true

So they made the dog a black woman?

 

[FunkDoc1112]

if this is true

 

[humminbird]

ok I knew they couldn't be this stupid

 

[Brandsdale]

if this is true

edit

 

[kt773]

So they made the dog a black woman?

Ironically, me and my girl cut this off because when I told her no scooby doo she was like hell naw , wait till I show her this

 

[Luke Cage]

Ironically, me and my girl cut this off because when I told her no scooby doo she was like hell naw , wait till I show her this

The whole reason i wasn't into this as well. I was like no scooby? pass, this makes it even more odd from a creative standpoint.