Velma, of Scooby Doo, alternative animation, HBO max, Jan 12

[The G.O.D II]

I’m hearing this is one of the worst shows ever

 

[parallax]

Still think Velma is better than Birdgirl and Teenage Euthanasia.

I'm not sure if its better than YOLO: Crystal Fantasy, I only saw the season finale on tv(2 episodes) and it was pretty interesting. If someone says that show is good I'll check out the rest. I like Harley Quinn and Daria(need to rewatch this) more than Velma.

I only tried to compare Velma with other adult comedy cartoons with women as the main character.

birdgirl is a waste. i dont even know why call it birdgirl when it has none of the characters from the original or even hanna barbera characters

 

[Duke Dixon]

birdgirl is a waste. i dont even know why call it birdgirl when it has none of the characters from the original or even hanna barbera characters

Yea I guess it flew under the radar though. I didn't even know it got a second season.

 

[Busby]

They shytting on this series something serious. Even all the YouTube critics I watch are calling it trash and that says ALOT

 

[Jaguar93]

They bout to hate watch this bs. to a 2nd season watch.

 

[Bar Razor]

Saw a review by a guy who was a former studio exec, and he said something that was insightful. He said that the easiest people to please with an IP is the existing fans. Therefore, you can focus on picking up new ones, but you shouldn't do anything to isolate the original fans. He said if someone pitched Velma to him, with it's subverting everything and seemingly intentionally destroying the basis of the original, he'd say why. Why would you want to do that? Why would you want to piss off longtime fans. Sure you can change things, update things, even subvert things. But it all should be done with the spirit of the original. With this, they've pissed off longterm Scooby Doo fans and the potential new audience isn't feeling it either. This has resulted in a failure all around.

 

[RickyDiBiase]

Saw a review by a guy who was a former studio exec, and he said something that was insightful. He said that the easiest people to please with an IP is the existing fans. Therefore, you can focus on picking up new ones, but you shouldn't do anything to isolate the original fans. He said if someone pitched Velma to him, with it's subverting everything and seemingly intentionally destroying the basis of the original, he'd say why. Why would you want to do that? Why would you want to piss off longtime fans. Sure you can change things, update things, even subvert things. But it all should be done with the spirit of the original. With this, they've pissed off longterm Scooby Doo fans and the potential new audience isn't feeling it either. This has resulted in a failure all around.

Every now and then someone who is a minority is prominent involved with the creation or promotion of a work that turns out to not be very good. These works garner an inordinate amount of backlash as people continue to dogpile on them. The reality is the people who simply don't like the work because it's bad are being riled up and weaponized by the anti-woke mob to send a message that minorities and marginalized groups shouldn't be allowed to create major works. The origins of the work being dislike almost always pre-date the work being released because the anti-woke mob as soon as they see the minority involved lays the groundwork for it.

Velma is a deeply flawed work but it's not necessarily because a minority was the driving force behind it but instead because a good chunk of the humor isn't really funny and it props it self up on source material it doesn't really have anything to do with.

Example: Disney just did a live action version of Pinocchio. It came out and it was poorly received. There is no outrage raging about it and almost nobody talks about it anymore. Check the discourse of She-Hulk or The Little Mermaid Live Action and there's either a simmering or huge outrage over them. Even go back and look at people talk about Black Widow.

If you're a woman or minority and heavily involved in the creation or promotion of a major work that shyt better be academy award level good or it will be torn down to an absurd level.

Exactly my thoughts. It’s why I don’t bother with much TV/Movies and the like these days. From the boardroom to the fanbases, shyt is just that apparent.

 

[Blankthawtz]

Watched the first ep.... It was coo... I like Mindy kalin and would smash...

 

[OGBobbyJohnson]

 

[Piff Perkins]

Every now and then someone who is a minority is prominent involved with the creation or promotion of a work that turns out to not be very good. These works garner an inordinate amount of backlash as people continue to dogpile on them. The reality is the people who simply don't like the work because it's bad are being riled up and weaponized by the anti-woke mob to send a message that minorities and marginalized groups shouldn't be allowed to create major works. The origins of the work being dislike almost always pre-date the work being released because the anti-woke mob as soon as they see the minority involved lays the groundwork for it.

Velma is a deeply flawed work but it's not necessarily because a minority was the driving force behind it but instead because a good chunk of the humor isn't really funny and it props it self up on source material it doesn't really have anything to do with.

Example: Disney just did a live action version of Pinocchio. It came out and it was poorly received. There is no outrage raging about it and almost nobody talks about it anymore. Check the discourse of She-Hulk or The Little Mermaid Live Action and there's either a simmering or huge outrage over them. Even go back and look at people talk about Black Widow.

If you're a woman or minority and heavily involved in the creation or promotion of a major work that shyt better be academy award level good or it will be torn down to an absurd level.

I disagree. There are a lot of problems but perhaps the origin is white studio execs viewing demographics as numbers, not people. They look at the success of Get Out, Moonlight, and Black Panther and say "I want black audiences." But they aren't interested in black stories, or black characters...they just want black people in the theatre or streaming at home. That's the crux of the character race swapping that's going on. Why tell black stories or create black characters when you can make Ariel from The Little Mermaid black, roll out the "diversity and representation matters" influencers on social media to hype your shyt, and call it a day. This is not only applied to black people, it's applied to women and LGBTQ demographics.

The other side of the diversity coin is hiring diverse creatives to run certain shows or films. Which is a good thing in theory right? Yet in nearly every case what we're seeing is an army of hacks get jobs to work on IPs they don't even give a fukk about. The showrunner for She-Hulk didn't read the comics, the showrunner for the Witcher despises the books, and it's clear the people involved in Velma don't give a fukk about Scooby Doo. These are often women - and usually white women - who were unsuccessful at getting their own ideas or shows greenlit. So they are given an established IP which they then use to essentially make the show they really wanted to make, while shytcanning the IP. And when the fans of the IP complain or revolt, the creatives start talking about racism and sexism. Then the studio comes to their aid and attack all the fans - instead of just the problematic ones. Rinse and repeat.

The end result is unauthentic, bad content that flops. On one hand you have people complaining about "woke" shyt, on the other hand you have fans defending the show/movie from racism/sexism/etc. Yet neither side really gives a fukk about the actual show/movie and it bombs. The studio quietly cancels it. Then they start the process up again. The social media coverage is almost more important than actual ratings, as these streaming companies once again focus on demographics: if we come out, say the right things, defend the right causes...black people will tune in. But again, that's not how this works.

 

[invincible1914]

This is an insult to Tyler. Whether you like his work or not, he has a strong fan base and he keeps them fed. Ain't nobody checking for her... and that's probably why they raping Scooby Doo for his buzz.

If they really want to make me laugh, they should do an episode wear the gang pulls the mask off Velma to show Mindy underneath talking bout I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for you meddling kids.

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

Every now and then someone who is a minority is prominent involved with the creation or promotion of a work that turns out to not be very good. These works garner an inordinate amount of backlash as people continue to dogpile on them. The reality is the people who simply don't like the work because it's bad are being riled up and weaponized by the anti-woke mob to send a message that minorities and marginalized groups shouldn't be allowed to create major works. The origins of the work being dislike almost always pre-date the work being released because the anti-woke mob as soon as they see the minority involved lays the groundwork for it.

Velma is a deeply flawed work but it's not necessarily because a minority was the driving force behind it but instead because a good chunk of the humor isn't really funny and it props it self up on source material it doesn't really have anything to do with.

Example: Disney just did a live action version of Pinocchio. It came out and it was poorly received. There is no outrage raging about it and almost nobody talks about it anymore. Check the discourse of She-Hulk or The Little Mermaid Live Action and there's either a simmering or huge outrage over them. Even go back and look at people talk about Black Widow.

If you're a woman or minority and heavily involved in the creation or promotion of a major work that shyt better be academy award level good or it will be torn down to an absurd level.

Okay, but the show is still bad. That's what it is at the end of the day. It's a bad show.

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

This would be true if Tyler Perrys’ shows or movies pandered to white people.

I’m not a TP fan but it’s clear his work caters to an older black audience. Mindy Kaling is a colorstruck indian catering to her white twink fanbase

 

[Legal]

I disagree. There are a lot of problems but perhaps the origin is white studio execs viewing demographics as numbers, not people. They look at the success of Get Out, Moonlight, and Black Panther and say "I want black audiences." But they aren't interested in black stories, or black characters...they just want black people in the theatre or streaming at home. That's the crux of the character race swapping that's going on. Why tell black stories or create black characters when you can make Ariel from The Little Mermaid black, roll out the "diversity and representation matters" influencers on social media to hype your shyt, and call it a day. This is not only applied to black people, it's applied to women and LGBTQ demographics.

The other side of the diversity coin is hiring diverse creatives to run certain shows or films. Which is a good thing in theory right? Yet in nearly every case what we're seeing is an army of hacks get jobs to work on IPs they don't even give a fukk about. The showrunner for She-Hulk didn't read the comics, the showrunner for the Witcher despises the books, and it's clear the people involved in Velma don't give a fukk about Scooby Doo. These are often women - and usually white women - who were unsuccessful at getting their own ideas or shows greenlit. So they are given an established IP which they then use to essentially make the show they really wanted to make, while shytcanning the IP. And when the fans of the IP complain or revolt, the creatives start talking about racism and sexism. Then the studio comes to their aid and attack all the fans - instead of just the problematic ones. Rinse and repeat.

The end result is unauthentic, bad content that flops. On one hand you have people complaining about "woke" shyt, on the other hand you have fans defending the show/movie from racism/sexism/etc. Yet neither side really gives a fukk about the actual show/movie and it bombs. The studio quietly cancels it. Then they start the process up again. The social media coverage is almost more important than actual ratings, as these streaming companies once again focus on demographics: if we come out, say the right things, defend the right causes...black people will tune in. But again, that's not how this works.

Factual text.

Until someone at these studios bothers to figure out WHY things are a bit with audiences like ours, we're going to be stuck in the cycle of unexpected hits getting copied mostly failing until studios lose interest while waiting for the next hit.

That said, I'm probably going to watch a couple of episodes of this bullshyt just so I can laugh at how bad it is, and troll my lady for having watched The Mindy Project and Sex Lives of College Girls.

 

[winb83]

I disagree. There are a lot of problems but perhaps the origin is white studio execs viewing demographics as numbers, not people. They look at the success of Get Out, Moonlight, and Black Panther and say "I want black audiences." But they aren't interested in black stories, or black characters...they just want black people in the theatre or streaming at home. That's the crux of the character race swapping that's going on. Why tell black stories or create black characters when you can make Ariel from The Little Mermaid black, roll out the "diversity and representation matters" influencers on social media to hype your shyt, and call it a day. This is not only applied to black people, it's applied to women and LGBTQ demographics.

The other side of the diversity coin is hiring diverse creatives to run certain shows or films. Which is a good thing in theory right? Yet in nearly every case what we're seeing is an army of hacks get jobs to work on IPs they don't even give a fukk about. The showrunner for She-Hulk didn't read the comics, the showrunner for the Witcher despises the books, and it's clear the people involved in Velma don't give a fukk about Scooby Doo. These are often women - and usually white women - who were unsuccessful at getting their own ideas or shows greenlit. So they are given an established IP which they then use to essentially make the show they really wanted to make, while shytcanning the IP. And when the fans of the IP complain or revolt, the creatives start talking about racism and sexism. Then the studio comes to their aid and attack all the fans - instead of just the problematic ones. Rinse and repeat.

The end result is unauthentic, bad content that flops. On one hand you have people complaining about "woke" shyt, on the other hand you have fans defending the show/movie from racism/sexism/etc. Yet neither side really gives a fukk about the actual show/movie and it bombs. The studio quietly cancels it. Then they start the process up again. The social media coverage is almost more important than actual ratings, as these streaming companies once again focus on demographics: if we come out, say the right things, defend the right causes...black people will tune in. But again, that's not how this works.

Okay, but the show is still bad. That's what it is at the end of the day. It's a bad show.

Plenty of bad series come out all the time. Some of them remakes of other properties. The only reason this is getting special attention is because a non-white person is the driving force behind it and some races were modified on the show.

Is that especially egregious? We all know if all these characters were white and the show was still bad it would have had a moment and people would have already moved on. Literally the only reason people care so deeply is because these characters races were changed. Is their races being changed what makes this show so bad? No.