(Update)Incels and redpillers finally got a win.Captain Marvel 2:The Marvels opened to 47 million over the weekend.Making it MCU worst opening ever.

[Hitchens]

You’re definitely a mentally weak fakkit for this thread title, sorry we don’t like the trash you like

 

[Da King]

Yet you’re the one who felt compelled enough to make a thread to cry about this movie tanking

 

[KidJSoul]

I don't think it's only a "men don't like women movies" thing, considering men watched the first wonder woman movie

I think its 1) superhero fatigue, 2) the fact that the OG marvel cast is gone 3) and disney is geenlighting WAY too many projects, so the quality isn't as good, and they're trying to lean on diversity as a selling point but it isn't working

 

[O.Red]

I really can't believe how marvel fumbled it. Should have just brought back rdj, evans, Johannsen, hemsworth and keep the gravy train going on some fast and furious ish.

Black panther 2 I watched once and never will again crap
Ant man quantumania watched once and never will again crap

It's never that simple, especially when dealing with artistic types

It's not like RDJ, Evans, and Johansson were fired. They left because they were done. RDJ tried to quit three times(watch the end of AOU and tell me that nikka wasn't done), Johansson said she's never coming back, and who knows with Evans but he was adamant about continuing his post Cap acting career

It's not always as easy as "just back up the money truck" when you're talking about nikkas that have made 20-40 million off one movie multiple times. The money trucks can't get much bigger for RDJ, who was making up to $25 mil every Avengers flick

 

[hex]

It's never that simple, especially when dealing with artistic types

It's not like RDJ, Evans, and Johansson were fired. They left because they were done. RDJ tried to quit three times(watch the end of AOU and tell me that nikka wasn't done), Johansson said she's never coming back, and who knows with Evans but he was adamant about continuing his post Cap acting career

It's not always as easy as "just back up the money truck" when you're talking about nikkas that have made 20-40 million off one movie multiple times. The money trucks can't get much bigger for RDJ, who was making up to $25 mil every Avengers flick

They definitely got rid of RDJ, he was taking them to the cleaners. They tried to get rid of him earlier but the fan back lash was too much. Plus he was talking crazy in interviews after that. I don't recall him ever saying he wanted to leave. Marvel wanted him gone for a minute, though.

Fred.

 

[Kiyoshi-Dono]

There is like 5 conversations taking place in the thread.

I agree with most of what you're saying but there is a bizarre....glee, for lack of a better word....at this specific movie failing.

Then I come in here and cats are talking about "the left" and crying about a scene with women from "Endgame", a movie that came out damn near 5 years ago.

These are not normal people objectively discussing a movie, breh.

Fred.

I understand but this the problem with thecoli and society as a whole
Broad strokes
I have to admit, that scene in EndGame was hamfisted and corny as fukk
When you write good content, a character is a character
Take for instance Across the Spiderverse
It’s a good story about CHARACTERS
Gwen is written perfectly, she’s not a girl who can kick ass
She’s just a CHARACTER who kicks ass
Nobody knew anything about Hobie aka Spider Punk before this movie(unless you were just that die hard of a Spidey fan)
He wasn’t just a black punk rocker
He was what everybody feels at some point in time in life
That’s what draws people in
Now we grown and we know why Miles/Hobie/Spiderbyte and even Spiderwoman hit so hard for black comic fans
But everybody, even so called racists incels, can’t find a flaw with both movies
Sure if you dig, you will find ignorant shyt
But that’s not the majority
People invest so much in the fringe elements of fandom that take shyt too far but ignore honest criticisms which in turns
Shuts conversations down because people ain’t trying to be labeled something they arent
I was called all kinds of incels for my opinions on The Last of Us 2
And they weren’t even woman hating because I love Ellie
Hell I had no problem with Joel being killed but what I did have a problem with is shyt writing being covered up as avant garde because every character tick the box of representation
This is the exact thing Marvel is doing just like Star Wars did
These executives are having writers just writing bullshyt not characters
That’s the whole problem and it’s no excuses for this shyt when you have decades worth of material and people who are passionate about their craft
Marvel is literally Uwe Boll with a high ass budget at this point(Iykyk)
Blade was about to be a fourth character in his own gotdamn me movie
What kind of Citizen Kane ass shyt is this supposed to be about a vampire bounty hunter
Black Panther hit different because when Chadwick was first introduce
He was a charming, handsome cat that took no shorts or losses
That’s why the first Black Panther hit so hard
It was a masculine, intelligent black man
Ruler of a kingdom
Then you get BP2(which I will give grace because of circumstances and later on material) but still
All the men were regulated to inept ass nikkas
You don’t have to downsize a whole gender to uplift another
Just do what Sony is doing like the beginning of my post
Good stories about characters who happen to be
Not using their whole identity as *insert whatever the fukk* as their main characteristic

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

They definitely got rid of RDJ, he was taking them to the cleaners. They tried to get rid of him earlier but the fan back lash was too much. Plus he was talking crazy in interviews after that. I don't recall him ever saying he wanted to leave. Marvel wanted him gone for a minute, though.

Fred.

When they try to get rid of him earlier and what was he saying?

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

These movies are terrible. Disney wants a pat on the head for diversity and seems to forget that if the more diverse product is absolute crap you're doing much more harm than good. Put some fukking effort into these stories. If you want marginalized demographics to be more visible on screen you need to cast them in movies people actually want to see.

 

[Apollo Creed]

It's never that simple, especially when dealing with artistic types

It's not like RDJ, Evans, and Johansson were fired. They left because they were done. RDJ tried to quit three times(watch the end of AOU and tell me that nikka wasn't done), Johansson said she's never coming back, and who knows with Evans but he was adamant about continuing his post Cap acting career

It's not always as easy as "just back up the money truck" when you're talking about nikkas that have made 20-40 million off one movie multiple times. The money trucks can't get much bigger for RDJ, who was making up to $25 mil every Avengers flick

My thing it doesn't matter who they brought gjt back if the stories being told go nowhere and writing is ass lol.

The stuff they put out wouldn't be an issue if they built to something that made sense and writing didn't suck

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

The winter soldier works so well because the story that it’s based off of was written by a guy named Ed Brubaker and his run on Captain America was very much loaded with “spy/political intrigue (I believe the Brubaker run was directly inspired by the fox tv series ‘24’).

this meant that the Russo brothers (who directed the winter soldier movie) had a pretty solid concept to base the movie off of . Captain America as a character works pretty well with political intrigue and as long as the fights had extremely solid choreography, the audiences seem to enjoy it. The Russo brothers would also get lucky again and have another solid story to base a movie off of in the form of Civil War.

(there’s also a conversation about how marvel is struggling with fight and scene choreography for cosmic heroes, street level heroes and their power sets translates better into practical stunts which look more appealing to audience

I would say that why Winter Soldier turned out so well because they took the core of 3 Days of the Condor (one of my favorite movies) and gave it the Ed Brubaker's Captain America: Winter Soldier wrapping.

As I have mentioned numerous times in TFR for years; Winter Soldier is the best MCU movie by a mile. You can take out all of the comic book influence and it would still be a quality film.

 

[Heretic]

I don't think it's only a "men don't like women movies" thing, considering men watched the first wonder woman movie

I think its 1) superhero fatigue, 2) the fact that the OG marvel cast is gone 3) and disney is geenlighting WAY too many projects, so the quality isn't as good, and they're trying to lean on diversity as a selling point but it isn't working

If you think about it. They really got lucky with the Avengers because non of those characters minus maybe Hulk were even popular before the movies. Obviously there's Spiderman but he came later. Thor, Captain America, Iron Man were all known by people into comics but they were big sellers. Even Guardians of the Galaxy was lightning in a bottle and was due to great casting.

I don't know what Disney is trying to do with Marvel now, I know they want to make Kang a thing and it might work. Then I went back and actually thought about the previous movies even from phase 1 and truth be told, probably half of them were trash. So minus the Avengers movies they're about like they've always been

I don't think they'll have another resurgence until they introduce Xmen and the mutants and such. There are some classic stories to be told there.

 

[VertigoKnight]

When they try to get rid of him earlier and what was he saying?

He was costing them a ton.

IIRC RDJ has a deal where he gets profit points on the MCU Iron Man and Avengers movies as well as a base salary of 20 million. Think how much those movies made and what Disney would have to pay him from the profits. He apparently made over 475 million off those movies. His salary for the first Ironman was 2.5 million

Imagine what they'd have to pay to get him back probably the same deal. Base salary and backend points from profits.

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

I don't think it's only a "men don't like women movies" thing, considering men watched the first wonder woman movie

I think its 1) superhero fatigue, 2) the fact that the OG marvel cast is gone 3) and disney is geenlighting WAY too many projects, so the quality isn't as good, and they're trying to lean on diversity as a selling point but it isn't working

And the story that everyone was following is done. People were able to forgive or ignore the meh quality of most of the films because they were invested in the overarching story. The quality is the same as it has always been. I would argue that the D+ shows have been better and closer to representing the tone of the comics than the movies.

 

[hex]

When they try to get rid of him earlier and what was he saying?

If I remember correctly he was getting a cut of damn near every Marvel movie, due to the contract he negotiated. He wanted a %, not a set amount. Also he got everyone raises.

So he wasn't popular with Marvel execs, and he'd make little comments that were basically towards them.

Fred.

 

[O.Red]

My thing it doesn't matter who they brought gjt back if the stories being told go nowhere and writing is ass lol.

The stuff they put out wouldn't be an issue if they built to something that made sense and writing didn't suck

Basically

That's why I'm not holding on to these dreams that X-Men will save the MCU the core foundation is shyt so its highly likely that whatever they do with the X-Men will be just as bad as anything else in phase 4/5