Is cinema finally ready to move past comic book movies as the primary driver?

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. . . in a different era - this would have been one of them movies like Raid 2 where the fights start breaking out in the hallway when you trying to leave . .. let alone the gladiator sessions in the parking lot .. . .

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I think those days are mostly over. Think about what's been big recently, Spider-Man relied on all these Sony characters coming in and making it a big nostalgia dump. Deadpool & Wolverine relied are two beloved FOX characters from the previous decade of movies.

This is why I’ve felt F4 and particularly Gunn’s Superman box office performances will be very interesting.

What Spider-Man and Deadpool did is somewhat misleading due to what you mentioned: final hurrah nostalgia trips. Hell, MCU Spidey’s entire run was carefully crafted around the MCU hype train and RDJ being his mentor and hero.

But for the other “new” IPs, they’re entering in a more flat-footed state, no forward momentum to spring board from. Tho I’m sure they’re hoping Secret Wars can be that battery pack and palette cleanser.
 

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This is why I’ve felt F4 and particularly Gunn’s Superman box office performances will be very interesting.

What Spider-Man and Deadpool did is somewhat misleading due to what you mentioned: final hurrah nostalgia trips. Hell, MCU Spidey’s entire run was carefully crafted around the MCU hype train and RDJ being his mentor and hero.

But for the other “new” IPs, they’re entering in a more flat-footed state, no forward momentum to spring board from. Tho I’m sure they’re hoping Secret Wars can be that battery pack and palette cleanser.

F4 and Secret Wars aint gonna do shyt . . .. its gonna kill the MCU . . . . . they should have done a story-line based thing where they bring in the Mutant story-line via Cameron Hodge with the X-Tinction Agenda .. . . . intro the X-men that way . . . with the Havoc-turn . . and the whole Genosha thing . . ... not no Battle Royal . . . . . thats corny and meant for Power Rangers toddlers audience . . .. . . Bluey . .. hey. . . . smack smak , , , ooof . . .. . . Doc Doom is the new Lord Zedd . . .. . . . RDJ does his whole gay sassy monologue . . kooll .. . . no thanks . . .. . RETIRE ALL THESE MIDDLE-AGE BISEXUAL 80s LEFTOVERS . . .. where are the new ones ,. . .. . . . .i guess the new Adminstration got MASCULINITY under the gun . . .

 

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Cinema has been just as much on a steady decline as comic book films outside of a few A24 films which have been on a consolidated uptrend. Overall, it's just been over saturated with marketing and Oscar's buzz but from a numbers standpoint, bearish as the product has been sensitive cultured trash like that Amelia Perez film.

Scorsese's last film was in comparison to "The multiverse of madness" of his entire discography but he's an anomaly.

This is where streaming has capitalized in terms of revenue and just overall great bodies work ⏸️.

It really just comes down to the next great film, whether comicbook, streaming or cinema in general. As noted above, if this next Superman movie does well (which 9/10 it will), comic book movies have not died but transitioned over to WB/DC.

But fụck all of that, we need to bring back nonsensical action similar to John Wick or comedy fụckery now that cancel culture has been dying down.
 
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F4 and Secret Wars aint gonna do shyt . . .. its gonna kill the MCU . . . . . they should have done a story-line based thing where they bring in the Mutant story-line via Cameron Hodge with the X-Tinction Agenda .. . . . intro the X-men that way . . . with the Havoc-turn . . and the whole Genosha thing . . ... not no Battle Royal . . . . . thats corny and meant for Power Rangers toddlers audience . . .. . . Bluey . .. hey. . . . smack smak , , , ooof . . .. . . Doc Doom is the new Lord Zedd . . .. . . . RDJ does his whole gay sassy monologue . . kooll .. . . no thanks . . .. . RETIRE ALL THESE MIDDLE-AGE BISEXUAL 80s LEFTOVERS . . .. where are the new ones ,. . .. . . . .i guess the new Adminstration got MASCULINITY under the gun . . .


You're fighting your own battles breh...mid conversation you started thinking about losing your masculinity...look in that mirror breh :weirdo:
 

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Super hero movies will never go away , they were the first movies made in hollywood and continue to be the number 1 box office draw to this day.
Only thing thats changes is the types of heroes.
We started out with super hero movies set during the wild west being gun slingers and horse chases, invincible protagonists
Then we went to super hero movies about cops being peacekeepers and car chases, invincible protagonists
Then we went to super hero movies about martial artists being fighters and invincible protagonists
Then we went to super hero movies about comicbook characters about super fight scenes and super invincible protagonists.

Only thing that will change is the source material. instead of MArvel and DC something else will be the dominate super hero franchise/

My prediction is live action anime films will become the dominant heros in the future. They are already trying but usually failing to do it now.
 
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romantic comedies definitely are not, but, horror are great bang for your buck...the best hit rate is anything associated with kids.

lets look at the 2024 rate

1Inside Out 2 - Kids, franchise IP$1,698,863,816
2Deadpool & Wolverine - Comic$1,338,073,645
3Moana 2 -Kids, franchise IP$1,050,746,044
4Despicable Me 4 - Kids, franchise IP$969,126,452
5Wicked - franchise IP$728,107,830
6Dune: Part Twoc - franchise IP$714,644,358
7Mufasa: The Lion King - Kids, franchise IP$698,689,183
8Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire - franchise IP$571,850,016
9Kung Fu Panda 4 - Kids, franchise IP$547,689,492
10Sonic the Hedgehog 3 - Kids, franchise IP$483,289,000
11Venom: The Last Dance - Comic$478,892,552
12Gladiator II - franchise IP$461,865,254
13Beetlejuice Beetlejuice - franchise IP$451,900,435
14Yolo - international film i literally know nothing about$433,593,489
15Pegasus 2- international film i literally know nothing about$422,878,491
16Successor- international film i literally know nothing about$422,307,398
17Bad Boys: Ride or Die - franchise IP$404,550,184
18Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes- franchise IP$397,378,150
19Twisters- franchise IP$372,262,265
20It Ends with Us$351,441,044

so, what this tells me, is that hollywood will be hungry for making EVEN more franchise movies, and kid movies, or both. It doesn't however tell me that that comic movies are dead...because I can make a comic movie that hits those quadrants and make even more money. Spiderverse 3 will make like 1.5B....kid targeted comic movies are likely our future.

The problem with this chart is some of these didn't make any money at all because of the inflated budgets they had... That's why I said horror is the best bet to make a profit and I do think romantic comedies are still up there. There was that comedy with Glen Powell and Sydney Sweeney that probably cost $5 to make and it made bank for them off a nothing budget..
 
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This is why I’ve felt F4 and particularly Gunn’s Superman box office performances will be very interesting.

What Spider-Man and Deadpool did is somewhat misleading due to what you mentioned: final hurrah nostalgia trips. Hell, MCU Spidey’s entire run was carefully crafted around the MCU hype train and RDJ being his mentor and hero.

But for the other “new” IPs, they’re entering in a more flat-footed state, no forward momentum to spring board from. Tho I’m sure they’re hoping Secret Wars can be that battery pack and palette cleanser.

Yes, most comic book movies that aren't relying on nostalgia are fukking tanking right now. 'Captain America' is going to have a hard time breaking even and that's not even the worst of it. 'The Marvels' and others have lost millions...
 
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The problem with this chart is some of these didn't make any money at all because of the inflated budgets they had... That's why I said horror is the best bet to make a profit and I do think romantic comedies are still up there. There was that comedy with Glen Powell and Sydney Sweeney that probably cost $5 to make and it made bank for them off a nothing budget..
Absolutely none of these had a budget approaching $300mm.
 
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Absolutely none of these had a budget approaching $300mm.

They calculate profitability by 2.5x the budget these days and the budgets have been revised in a lot of cases with movies that had to pause like 'Indiana Jones' for instance the budget ballooned to nearly $400M when it was all said and done. The 'Ant-Man Quantumania' budget was revised to north of $300M etc..
 
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They calculate profitability by 2.5x the budget these days and the budgets have been revised in a lot of cases with movies that had to pause like 'Indiana Jones' for instance the budget ballooned to nearly $400M when it was all said and done. The 'Ant-Man Quantumania' budget was revised to north of $300M etc..
...none of those movies lost money, and even if the profit margin of those in the bottom 10 were lower than that of horror and other genre...they still make 'more money' by a good margin.
 

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I guess my question to the people who say that Doomsday is “too big to fail.”

What amount in your opinion would be considered a success based on the inevitable high budget for it?
 

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I guess my question to the people who say that Doomsday is “too big to fail.”

What amount in your opinion would be considered a success based on the inevitable high budget for it?
I think Doomsday should make a billion minimum. Every Avengers film in the past has made a billion minimum (including Captain America: Civil War, which was a pseudo-Avengers film).
 
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