Universal Healthcare (M4all): Italy’s government chooses if you live or die with/out the Coronavirus

[5n0man]

the reason medi-cal can offer all of that now. Is because private insurers run the program. California is the shining example of the private industry taking over Medicaid and it drastically improving.

The state of California pays the private insurance industry. What are you talking about?


Medi-cal keeps healthcare affordable and the state of California is in a much better position to negotiate prices with the industry than the average joe. That's what universal healthcare is breh, we pay the government with taxes and then they negotiate prices with the insurers.

You dont even understand what you're arguing against.

 

[Warren Moon]

The state of California pays the private insurance industry. What are you talking about?


Medi-cal keeps healthcare affordable and the state of California is in a much better position to negotiate prices with the industry than the average joe. That's what universal healthcare is breh, we pay the government with taxes and then they negotiate prices with the insurers.

You dont even understand what you're arguing against.

No breh. Ppl like u don’t understand wtf ur talking abou. Medi-cal is ran by private insurers. All those new benefits y’all got is bc private insurers were more efficient running the process than the California government.



Medi-Cal Managed Care Health Plan Directory
When you first qualify for Medi-Cal, you are covered under Medi-Cal Fee-for-Service. However, you must choose a health plan within 30 days. If you do not choose a plan within 30 days, the State will choose a plan for you.

If you find only one health plan, the county has chosen this plan for you. Please wait for your health plan information mailer in the mail.


List of private insurance that run medi-cal in each California countyhttps://www.dhcs.ca.gov/individuals/Pages/MMCDHealthPlanDir.aspx


You’re literally supporting private insurers when u say u like Medi-cal. That’s ran by private insurers.

 

[Warren Moon]

The state of California pays the private insurance industry. What are you talking about?


Medi-cal keeps healthcare affordable and the state of California is in a much better position to negotiate prices with the industry than the average joe. That's what universal healthcare is breh, we pay the government with taxes and then they negotiate prices with the insurers.

You dont even understand what you're arguing against.

No breh. Ppl like u don’t understand wtf ur talking abou. Medi-cal is ran by private insurers. All those new benefits y’all got is bc private insurers were more efficient running the process than the California government.



Medi-Cal Managed Care Health Plan Directory
When you first qualify for Medi-Cal, you are covered under Medi-Cal Fee-for-Service. However, you must choose a health plan within 30 days. If you do not choose a plan within 30 days, the State will choose a plan for you.

If you find only one health plan, the county has chosen this plan for you. Please wait for your health plan information mailer in the mail.


List of private insurance that run medi-cal in each California countyhttps://www.dhcs.ca.gov/individuals/Pages/MMCDHealthPlanDir.aspx


You’re literally supporting private insurers when u say u like Medi-cal. That’s ran by private insurers.

 

[F K]

Kind of. Insurers just do it cheaper than the government.

California ran their Medicaid system but costs were rising very quickly. A health insurer said they could do it cheaper, they tried it out for a small piece of medicaid. They did it cheaper, then the government just outsourced Medicaid administration to health plans almost entirely. The insurance plans did it cheaper and added more hospitals for people to go to


So if the government takes over Medicaid again, costs will rise and taxes will go up and benefits will go down. That’s just bc they’re not as good at it. And this is in the largest state in America.

other states followed suit to save money as well.

sounds like the dutch system. We should do that for everyone. tax money traded for free at point of use healthcare. Sounds great to me. I don't care who runs it as long as people get to show up at the hospital/doctor and not pay, and people don't have to navigate in and out of network nonsense


The Netherlands has universal health insurance — and it’s all private

edit: Medi-Cal 4 all!

 

[5n0man]

No breh. Ppl like u don’t understand wtf ur talking abou. Medi-cal is ran by private insurers.

Nobody has said otherwise



ARE YOU DRUNK BREH???

 

[Warren Moon]

Nobody has said otherwise



ARE YOU DRUNK BREH???

No medicare for all gets rid of this entirely. Goes back to being government ran and costs will skyrocket bc they’re shytty at doing it.

 

[F K]

No medicare for all gets rid of this entirely. Goes back to being government ran and costs will skyrocket bc they’re shytty at doing it.

There's no proof that private healthcare is always better run than public. California might have been less efficient at it but there are multiple, successful public healthcare operations, just as there are multiple successful private healthcare operations. This is why the Australian model is the best because you get both : Two sisters. Two different journeys through Australia’s health care system.

 

[F K]

 

[88m3]

thread is neg train worthy with the logic, timing, and just in general

 

[5n0man]

No medicare for all gets rid of this entirely. Goes back to being government ran and costs will skyrocket bc they’re shytty at doing it.

Nobody said universal healthcare solves all the problems.



You have literally built up a strawman argument to debate against. You created this thread to show the inefficiency of universal healthcare, people pointed out that private insurance has the same problems. Now you're arguing against points nobody made.

Log off breh, you need a break.

 

[Baka's Weird Case]

Teenage boy whose death was linked to coronavirus turned away from urgent care for not having insurance

 

[Warren Moon]

Teenage boy whose death was linked to coronavirus turned away from urgent care for not having insurance

damn. Why didnt he go to the public hospital

 

[Baka's Weird Case]

damn. Why didnt he go to the public hospital

maybe it was significantly farther from him than this one. or maybe he didnt understand the distinction. after all hes just a teenager, he might have not had prior experience interacting with the medical field without guardians.

these are just guesses though, we'll never know now because hes dead.

 

[Warren Moon]

maybe it was significantly farther from him than this one. or maybe he didnt understand the distinction. after all hes just a teenager, he might have not had prior experience interacting with the medical field without guardians.

these are just guesses though, we'll never know now because hes dead.

yeah. They gave him the info for it. shyts terrible he didn’t go.

 

[Armchair Militant]

yeah. They gave him the info for it. shyts terrible he didn’t go.

He went into cardiac arrest on the way to another hospital.