Top 15 Quarterbacks, since 2000?

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You're not alone. I don't personally believe any QB I've ever seen peaked as high as Manning, including Mahomes. I think Manning was a more refined passer and more dominant when he was on; and there simply was nothing like dude when he came along...

But, at this point Mahomes' playoff success is hurting Manning in All-Time rankings, and if he doubles him up in championships, in less than half the time, I don't think even I could justify him over Mahomes anymore...

I still think Manning peaked higher, though! Manning was unbelievable and I think he's becoming underrated with time...

And bruh, Cam wasn't that great šŸ˜‚ he's always been overrated...
The thing is: is this Year 7 for Mahomes. Do you believe that at this time, January 30 2005 Mahomes is anywhere near a shot at a 3 peat or 4 total rings?

Do you also believe if Peyton was born 20 years later he couldn't do this with what KC has built?

Cam at 22 21 is still dirty lol
 
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This is true. He never did beat a great team in the playoffs. Two of the five times that he got there, he had to win 2 playoff games to get there. That is still impressive, poor conference or not. Especially when you consider all the one and dones, by all time greats. What great team was Buffalo beating during their 4 yeae SB run? The 92 Dolphins?
I shyt on the bills during that era for being in a down year of AFC football lol. The only really great teams were the first 2.
 

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As a long time "Philip Rivers ain't shyt" truther I'm glad his legacy is being buried. :blessed: Most overrated qb of that entire generation

Rich Gannon >>>>>>> Philip Rivers
I'm surprised he's mentioned in the top 15.

Member of the 30/30 club (TDs/Ints)

Another note:
Was Michael Vick not good enough? He had the talent and skill and athleticism. He also had a comeback era.
 

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1.)Yeah the only great or pantheon defense Mcnabb faced was the 2002 Bucs. The rest were nothing special. Again, who were those road playoff wins against?

2.)The 2008 Steelers are one of the greatest defenses of all time. Mcnabb ainā€™t beating them either

3.)What team did Rivers lose to, than Mcnabb is beating?
Does a team have to win a championship to.be considered in the pantheon? Or do it for several years? For one, the 01 Bears were elite.

08 Steelers were great, but they benefitted from a shytty.Browns and Bengals teams. AFC was weak as hell that season with Brady being out. The mediocre Cards had them on the ropes. Great defense, McNabb probably wouldnt beat then, but I would trust him alot more than Rivers.

Honestly, probably none of them. He is still a better option that Rivers. I trust his playmaking and mobility, more
 

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The thing is: is this Year 7 for Mahomes. Do you believe that at this time, January 30 2005 Mahomes is anywhere near a shot at a 3 peat or 4 total rings?

Do you also believe if Peyton was born 20 years later he couldn't do this with what KC has built?

Cam at 22 is still dirty lol
Oh I think a bunch of All-Timers could flip careers with Mahomes and be champions. Do I think they'd all have 3, potentially 4 rings in 8 years the way he's working on? No, but there are a bunch of quarterbacks who'd win there, and that's why when analyzing Mahomes' career, you have to give transparent context...

Andy Reid right now is one of the greatest QB coaches, OC's, play designers we've ever seen, on that side of the ball. He's right there with Bill Walsh at this point...

Andy Reid has won his division with everybody he's ever had. McNabb. Vick. Smith. Mahomes. And that's a helluva gradient of quarterbacks. So I think it's safe to say, that give Andy Reid a league-average starter, he could win his division, and potentially a playoff game with---->he win the division with Smith and Vick, and won a playoff game with Smith in 2015...

Give Andy Reid a better than league-average QB, like just simply a Top 10 QB, you can be an annual Super Bowl contender. McNabb was a Top 10 guy the duration of his prime, Reid with that, got a SB run and 5 conference championship runs. In the context of today's QBs, he'd have a similar success rate if he had Hurts or Goff, for example. And if everything broke right and he didn't run into the dynasty of his era, he could steal a Lombardi, but there's no doubt in my mind that if he had any annual Top 10 guy, any era (00s, 10s, 20s, since those are the eras he's coached), he'd be an annual Super Bowl contender with said Top 10 quarterback!

Give Reid a legitimate, iconic, All-Time quarterback talent? He's winning championships. For today's QBs, there's no doubt in my mind that if Reid had Lamar or Burrow or Allen, all three of those guys would have a Super Bowl. Would they have more than one? Who knows, but it's the same game, would Mahomes have a single one if he was drafted into Burrow's Bengals with Zac Taylor as his coach? I do think Mahomes would have one with Lamar's Ravens or Allen's Bills, but he wouldn't have 3. The coaching impact of Andy has to be declared here...

For historic greats, if Manning had Reid there's zero doubt that Manning has more than the two championships he ended up with. Absolutely zero doubt. Those two together would be the dynasty of their day. Imagine Manning instead of McNabb with Reid's 00s Eagles, or Reid instead of Mora/Dungy/Caldwell/Fox/Kubiak with Manning's Colts and Broncos. He'd be doing exactly what Mahomes is doing, except he was actually a more dominant passer, so he'd be obliterating Stat records even more than he actually did...

If you replace Manning with Mahomes to the Colts, Mahomes eventually wins one in Indy. Probably plays better in playoff L's than Manning ever did. But he's not winning more than 2 max in Indy with those teams, and while clearly a very cerebral player, he's not the QB computer Manning was...
 

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Does a team have to win a championship to.be considered in the pantheon? Or do it for several years? For one, the 01 Bears were elite.

08 Steelers were great, but they benefitted from a shytty.Browns and Bengals teams. AFC was weak as hell that season with Brady being out. The mediocre Cards had them on the ropes. Great defense, McNabb probably wouldnt beat then, but I would trust him alot more than Rivers.

Honestly, probably none of them. He is still a better option that Rivers. I trust his playmaking and mobility, more
Look at the WRs McNabb had in Philly. He'd do damage with some of the WRs Rivers had plus having Antonio Gates.
 

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Does a team have to win a championship to.be considered in the pantheon?
Yes. Even in the more offensive NFL of recent vintage, historic defenses have broken thru and led title runs, and the greatest multi year sustained defense in league history, was within this modern offensive era...

So in eras that were more favorable to the defense, if you didn't win a championship, hell nah you aren't a pantheon defense!
 

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There will always be complaints when making a top fifteen list.

It will be easy to disagree with four or five on every list.

The givens are:

Brady
Peyton
Rodgers
Brees
Mahomes
Lamar
 

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This is what the real list should be to me:

1. Brady
2. Mahomes
3. Manning
4. Rodgers
5. Brees
6. Lamar
7. Allen
8. Favre
9. Warner
10. Ben
11. Russ
12. Stafford
13. Burrow
14. Rivers
15. Luck

Eli, Cam, and Matt Ryan don't even make the cut, though they'd make my "Top 25 of the last 25 years" list, though....but those 3 are not Top 15 since 2000, not at all.

16. Matty Ice
17. Eli
18. Goff
19. Palmer
20. Romo
21. Cam
22. Hurts
23. Herbert
24. McNabb

They omitted Brett Favre, who yes, he peaked in the 90s, but he played the majority of his career in the 00s and he was really, really good in the 00s. There's no way you omit Favre...

They lowballed Lamar and Allen both, and committed Burrow. Look, Lamar is flat out better than the best version of Warner I ever saw (which incidentally was '99 so that season shouldn't be eligible for this list; but '99 Warner is an inferior player to what I just saw from '24 Lamar)...

They lowballed Allen because he doesn't have a ring, MVP, or Super Bowl run. His peak isn't quite as high as Peak Warner, but he's more consistent elite than Warner, who had 3 great years, like 6 consecutive years of mid, then 2 great years at the end. He belongs over Warner, and he's better than anything I ever saw from Stafford or Ben...

i don't get how anyone could subjectively put Brett Favre ahead McNabb in the 2000's with blocking out 90's Favre

Favre was like 3 times the playoff choker McNabb ever was in the playoff in the 2000s

6 int's to the rams in the divisional round 2002 in his first playoff appearance of the 2000's​



2 int's and a lost fumble in blowout home lost as the heavy home favorites in the 2003 wildcard​



arm punt int in OT against eagles in 2004 to help sit up the game winning field goal in 2004




4 int's and fumble in homeloss against the Viking in 2005


horrible OT INT to help set up the giants gaming wining field in 2007































another horrible int in the last seconds fourth quarter set up the saints for the game winning field goal



accolades
Favre has 6 pro bowls in the decade no all pro's but arguably had a one all pro caliber season in 2009 with Viking

McNabb has 6 pro bowls in the decade no all pro's but arguably had one all pro season in 2004 ("first quarterback ever in history with 30 plus td pass's and less than 10 ints")

the one thing that hurts McNabb's overall legacy is him getting injured in 2002 with 6 games to Donovan was on pace to lead all quarterbacks in total touchdowns landing some where between 35 and 40 touchdowns with 800 rushing yards with over 3'500 passing yards and with also leading the eagles to the number seed with no real other standout offensive weapons would have given him that (cam newton 2015 mvp) and all pro selection

McNabb used to almost always outplay and outshine Brett in big primetime matchups' :sas2:



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