"Tinashe Is As Close to Janet Jackson As We'll Ever Get" -Complex

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Rihanna was a scrub at first bruh....she was second fiddle to Tearra Mari....T failed...cause Jay and the label marketed her fukked up....Jay didn't even give a shyt about Rihanna until he dropped TM...like 3 of Rihanna's breakout songs weren't even meant for her first....
What are you talking about breh? They dropped debut albums in the same month of the same year... both did shytty numbers. Rihanna had a massive hit in Pon De Replay which had been marketed worldwide. Rihanna was always the pop artist where they saw more appeal. She had Stargate produce her records and they marketed her worldwide. Teairra had songs by Sean Garrett. Different audiences, different ambitions.

Teairra was always just going to be a RnB artist. Her debut album's full name is actually called:
Roc-A Fella Records Presents Teairra Marí[1] :deadrose:

They both did 60k first week. Rihanna had a proper second single, and they kept marketing the album. They basically let Teairra fall off after the poor first week numbers. Rihanna had powerful managers from day one. Dudes that worked with Christina Aguilera and loads of other corny pop artists. She was their first artist and they produced and wrote some of her earliest hits. You don't get to be Rihanna big without a considerable push and yes it was from day one.
 

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Yes she was supposed to be next. She dropped singles and especially albums that flopped and they got her back there releasing an album the next year.

Not to mention they spent big money on securing her hits:
However, since it was the Grammy season of 2007, Stewart and Nash eyed American R&B singer Mary J. Blige for the demo.[3] Upon calling them to set the record aside for Rihanna, Stewart had played it to an associate of Blige, subsequently promising the song to her. Having heard the move of the writers, Kwak began calling Stewart and his manager, Mark Stewart, incessantly. Meanwhile, considering Blige's nominations at the Grammys, Stewart and Nash agreed to wait for her response. However, Blige failed to hear the song in full due to her obligations to the Grammys at the time and "had to sign off on the record before her reps could accept it".[3][5] Finally, Reid "stepped in, trading on his power-broker status and longstanding relationship with Stewart", and admits, "I made the producers an offer they couldn't refuse."[1] By the time Reid had successfully persuaded Stewart's camp, they "just couldn't say no".[3] On giving up the record to Reid's camp, Mark Stewart comments, "We knew Rihanna's album would be out in a few months. Mary wasn't even in an album cycle yet. We made the sensible business decision."[1]
Her second album didnt flop tho, it sold surprisingly well and spawned three too 10 records ..so yea, they invested in getting her a song from dream/tricky. Nothing you posted refutes the fact that Rihanna wasn't supposed to amount to much, by 07, she proved there was more sticking power to her than they originally thought, and when she dropped umbrella and gggb she became a certified pop star.
 

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What are you talking about breh? They dropped debut albums in the same month of the same year... both did shytty numbers. Rihanna had a massive hit in Pon De Replay which had been marketed worldwide. Rihanna was always the pop artist where they saw more appeal. She had Stargate produce her records and they marketed her worldwide. Teairra had songs by Sean Garrett. Different audiences, different ambitions.

Teairra was always just going to be a RnB artist. Her debut album's full name is actually called:
Roc-A Fella Records Presents Teairra Marí[1] :deadrose:

They both did 60k first week. Rihanna had a proper second single, and they kept marketing the album. They basically let Teairra fall off after the poor first week numbers. Rihanna had powerful managers from day one. Dudes that worked with Christina Aguilera and loads of other corny pop artists. She was their first artist and they produced and wrote some of her earliest hits. You don't get to be Rihanna big without a considerable push and yes it was from day one.
youre clearly clueless so stop, everyone who was checking the scene knew and saw how TM was being promoted, she got all the attention, she was princess of the roc or def jam, whatever. Rihanna was given a "dancehall" hit to ride the wave of one hit wonders like lumidee and Wayne wonder. Rih was an afterthought who ended up outperforming her expectations, they geared up for second albums at the same time, TM couldn't get a single off while SOS went bonkers..,which was actually meant for Christiana aguilera, as were many of rih's songs.
 

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And Janet Jackson did not?

To reach any type of iconic status - the media and industry will support it.. Janet, Beyonce, Jay Z, Kanye

I think Janet got exactly the media attention and hype she deserved though....seems like Beyonce got stans in high places.

willing to praise whatever bullshyt she does,as well downplay the competetion....instead of grooming them and hyping them up to take Beyonces place....typically the old gets pushed out for the new,but in Beyonces case:patrice:?she got a helluva team in that beehive:blessed:

maybe its just a matter of lack of talent from the new,seems like the industry could manufactur a superstar when they want to though...why haznt one been manjfactured to replace beyonce?these are just questions i have with no proof,just a feeling.
 

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youre clearly clueless so stop, everyone who was checking the scene knew and saw how TM was being promoted, she got all the attention, she was princess of the roc or def jam, whatever. Rihanna was given a "dancehall" hit to ride the wave of one hit wonders like lumidee and Wayne wonder. Rih was an afterthought who ended up outperforming her expectations, they geared up for second albums at the same time, TM couldn't get a single off while SOS went bonkers..,which was actually meant for Christiana aguilera, as were many of rih's songs.

this is how i remember it,i wont say they had no plans for Rhianna though....But if they did i dont think it was going to be to the rnb/hiphop crowd....maybe i just didnt feel the push of rhianna because she wasnt being pushed in our direction to begin with...but maybe whoever she was being pushed towards felt it and may have felt rhianna was the priorty....but in the eyes of the rnb/hiphop crowd rhianna was definitly seen as the after thought out of the two and tierra was the one being groomed.

and off topic but remember when Tiearra Marie made that Sponsor record and kt got banned by bet because it didnt fit the core values of BET and was too vulgar:comeon:?thats what im talking about with artist having stans in high places,beyonce on that same team....being that TM shytted on jay and rhianna i dont know whos behalf it was on,but we all saw it was definitly some bullshyt that only happened once that Sponsor song gained steam:sas2:
 

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this is how i remember it,i wont say they had no plans for Rhianna though....But if they did i dont think it was going to be to the rnb/hiphop crowd....maybe i just didnt feel the push of rhianna because she wasnt being pushed in our direction to begin with...but maybe whoever she was being pushed towards felt it and may have felt rhianna was the priorty....but in the eyes of the rnb/hiphop crowd rhianna was definitly seen as the after thought out of the two and tierra was the one being groomed.

and off topic but remember when Tiearra Marie made that Sponsor record and kt got banned by bet because it didnt fit the core values of BET and was too vulgar:comeon:?thats what im talking about with artist having stans in high places,beyonce on that same team....being that TM shytted on jay and rhianna i dont know whos behalf it was on,but we all saw it was definitly some bullshyt that only happened once that Sponsor song gained steam:sas2:
I am in the demographic. I was a female in college when they both dropped, rihanna was not pushed as the star...back then, TM was killing her in the looks dept and the hip hop/r&b lane was still big, they had their attention on TM since that's what they knew, but rih just ended up continually having the right hits.

And I agree with the stans in high places, that sponsor ban and BET banning ciara's "love sex magic"...or was it "ride"? Either way, a certain coalition was abt that stomp out the competition life :sas1: lol
 

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youre clearly clueless so stop, everyone who was checking the scene knew and saw how TM was being promoted, she got all the attention, she was princess of the roc or def jam, whatever. Rihanna was given a "dancehall" hit to ride the wave of one hit wonders like lumidee and Wayne wonder. Rih was an afterthought who ended up outperforming her expectations, they geared up for second albums at the same time, TM couldn't get a single off while SOS went bonkers..,which was actually meant for Christiana aguilera, as were many of rih's songs.
How does someone get records that where meant for prime Christina Aguilera & second-wind prime Mary J. Blige? Big money and powers behind the scenes.

Rihanna was always primed for the international, pop-crowd. Pon de Replay & SOS are dancehall/pop songs. Not RnB.

Her second album didnt flop tho, it sold surprisingly well and spawned three too 10 records ..so yea, they invested in getting her a song from dream/tricky. Nothing you posted refutes the fact that Rihanna wasn't supposed to amount to much, by 07, she proved there was more sticking power to her than they originally thought, and when she dropped umbrella and gggb she became a certified pop star.

SOS was a big hit but the album sold poorly initially. But they kept promoting her & it. Because powerful people believe in her.

Once again, i'll repeat. They had StarGate produce Rihanna songs and singles from album #1. You don't get StarGate to produce songs for your artists unless you think they will be internationally acceptable. I'm from the UK, Rihanna was here promoting her very first album. Your average RnB artist (TM!) doesn't get that push.

I think you guys are thinking about this from an urban/RnB angle. Teairra's music was primed for the BET crowd and it might've seemed to you she was getting the bigger push. But Rihanna was never targeted at the RnB crowd - she was headed straight for Billboard. That fits because that's what her management specialised in..Kelly Clarkson, Christina Aguilera type records. Look at who produced/wrote her early singles. Rihanna's never been an RnB artist.
 

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tinashe dope her last project showed growth in the songwriting department...
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she could always sing.
 

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Wow yall really think that rat faced thot Tinashe is better looking than Janet are only saying that because her nose is narrow than Janets natural nose and that she is lightskin. Seems like you perfer more European features than actual beauty which is symmetry in the face. When it comes to body, Janet beat her 100%.
 

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youre clearly clueless so stop, everyone who was checking the scene knew and saw how TM was being promoted, she got all the attention, she was princess of the roc or def jam, whatever. Rihanna was given a "dancehall" hit to ride the wave of one hit wonders like lumidee and Wayne wonder. Rih was an afterthought who ended up outperforming her expectations, they geared up for second albums at the same time, TM couldn't get a single off while SOS went bonkers..,which was actually meant for Christiana aguilera, as were many of rih's songs.
Sos was passed off between like 3 people before Rihanna..and every thing u wrote in this post is real talk...
 

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this is how i remember it,i wont say they had no plans for Rhianna though....But if they did i dont think it was going to be to the rnb/hiphop crowd....maybe i just didnt feel the push of rhianna because she wasnt being pushed in our direction to begin with...but maybe whoever she was being pushed towards felt it and may have felt rhianna was the priorty....but in the eyes of the rnb/hiphop crowd rhianna was definitly seen as the after thought out of the two and tierra was the one being groomed.

and off topic but remember when Tiearra Marie made that Sponsor record and kt got banned by bet because it didnt fit the core values of BET and was too vulgar:comeon:?thats what im talking about with artist having stans in high places,beyonce on that same team....being that TM shytted on jay and rhianna i dont know whos behalf it was on,but we all saw it was definitly some bullshyt that only happened once that Sponsor song gained steam:sas2:
Yup..and while they blocked Sponser...they let that Rude Boy shyt go by Rihanna which was one of the most vulgar hooks I heard in pop music in a minute...
 
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