Tim Duncan has 5 rings why isn’t he ever mentioned in top 5

[duckbutta]

Big Fundamental




But yet we get spammed with “Steph as a potential goat” threads every fukkin day .

thank you OP for putting things in perspective .

You got to understand the overwhelming majority of people who post in the seum or either kids who never saw guys like duncan play or casual fans who say stuff like "Timmy was to boring to be in the top 5"...

Imagine a guy being a multi time champ, multi time mvp, multi time finals mvp, top 5 all time in all nba selections, all defensive selections, and all star selections NOT being a candidate for a top 5 player ever

Spurs won the chip in 2003 with Timmy leading the team in points, rebounds, blocks, and was second in assist. His second leading scorer only averaged 15 points . That's absurd . Imagine Lebron or KD or Curry winning a chip with AD, Harden or Kyrie, or Klay only scoring 15 points a game . Timmy had exactly 0 all stars on that team. Had exactly 0 all nba players on that team. Had exactly 0 all defensive players on that team. Imagine Lebron or Steph or KD winning a title with no other all star or all nba player on their team . Easily the worst title team I ever seen. Steve Kerr, D Rob, and Kevin Willis were all damn near 40 and getting minutes on that team

 

[UserNameless]

You got to understand the overwhelming majority of people who post in the seum or either kids who never saw guys like duncan play or casual fans who say stuff like "Timmy was to boring to be in the top 5"...

Imagine a guy being a multi time champ, multi time mvp, multi time finals mvp, top 5 all time in all nba selections, all defensive selections, and all star selections NOT being a candidate for a top 5 player ever

Spurs won the chip in 2003 with Timmy leading the team in points, rebounds, blocks, and was second in assist. His second leading scorer only averaged 15 points . That's absurd . Imagine Lebron or KD or Curry winning a chip with AD, Harden or Kyrie, or Klay only scoring 15 points a game . Timmy had exactly 0 all stars on that team. Had exactly 0 all nba players on that team. Had exactly 0 all defensive players on that team. Imagine Lebron or Steph or KD winning a title with no other all star or all nba player on their team . Easily the worst title team I ever seen. Steve Kerr, D Rob, and Kevin Willis were all damn near 40 and getting minutes on that team

My gosh . My gosh .

 

[Ghpstface]

Brad Daugherty with a Caribbean accent.


*just jokes, wanted to make the most far fetched version of that joke

Does he have a Caribbean accent? I’ve never heard him talk

 

[ISO]

You got to understand the overwhelming majority of people who post in the seum or either kids who never saw guys like duncan play or casual fans who say stuff like "Timmy was to boring to be in the top 5"...

Imagine a guy being a multi time champ, multi time mvp, multi time finals mvp, top 5 all time in all nba selections, all defensive selections, and all star selections NOT being a candidate for a top 5 player ever

Spurs won the chip in 2003 with Timmy leading the team in points, rebounds, blocks, and was second in assist. His second leading scorer only averaged 15 points . That's absurd . Imagine Lebron or KD or Curry winning a chip with AD, Harden or Kyrie, or Klay only scoring 15 points a game . Timmy had exactly 0 all stars on that team. Had exactly 0 all nba players on that team. Had exactly 0 all defensive players on that team. Imagine Lebron or Steph or KD winning a title with no other all star or all nba player on their team . Easily the worst title team I ever seen. Steve Kerr, D Rob, and Kevin Willis were all damn near 40 and getting minutes on that team

Who cares how many fukking All-NBA players or All-Stars were on that team

Or that his second leading scorer only averaged 15 a game

Stop judging teams based off fukking names. The Spurs were a well oiled machine and ran a system that was foul proof. They had a game plan/strategy that worked. In basketball there are players who are better served with complimentary role players rather than another star.

If Duncan’s team was so bad he would have had to ramp up his scoring considerably but he didn’t. He averaged between 22-24 points per game in those first three title runs and two of his Finals opponents didn’t even play at a 50 win regular season pace and were weak as shyt offensively.

If the Spurs were so bad how did they manage to have the 7th best offense in the league that season.

Pretty much every fukking G.O.A.T. had to significantly ramp up their scoring volume.

Them nikkas being damn near 40 didn’t matter. That was normal. That’s why I call that era the dead ball era because the league was and most star players played on one man teams like Duncan and the pace of play and spacing was awful. Duncan and his slow, bruising style was tailor made for this era.

 

[HTXBreh]

Consistently never going back to back

 

[L. Deezy]

Best power forward I ever seen and I’m 41 years old.

why is it only lebron Jordan Kobe l? I swear basketball discussions are so mid.

bro, they leave Kareem out. lets start there.

I feel you on this.

 

[FlyRy]

Who on the Nets could adequately defend Duncan



The first time Duncan faced comp in the finals was against Detroit

And he won. Unlike someone who got gentleman swept the year before

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Who’s in your top 10?

MJ, Bron, KAJ, Magic, Hakeem, Duncan, Shaq, Bird, Wilt, Russell, Kobe are my top-11.

Rolling with Stephen Jackson, Malik Rose, Admiral, Bowen, Manu, Kerr, Kevin Willis and Parker in 03 was a very strong supporting class

Duncan was a superstar in 03 but that team was not bummy by any means

Parker was a 20yo 2nd-year player. Manu was a rookie. Stephen Jackson was in his 3rd season and hadn't made his leap yet. Robinson was 37yo, averaged 7ppg in the playoffs and retired when the season was over.

And you named 40yo Kevin Willis and 38yo Steve Kerr neither of whom played even 5 minutes/game in the playoffs.


Compare that shyt to the Lakers running out with Shaq-Kobe-Fisher-Horry or the Mavs having Dirk-Nash-Finley-Van Exel, all of whom were in their prime in both cases. Other teams had FAR better players to carry the load than Duncan did.

TP: 14-3-3 on 40% shooting
Jack: 13-4-3 on 41% shooting
Bowen: 7-3-2- on 37% shooting
Admiral: 7-7-1 on 54% shooting

THAT was his starting lineup. And Manu was the first guy off the bench averaging 9ppg on 38% shooting. There was no one on his squad who was even close to all-star status. Duncan led the entire team in points, rebounds, assists, and blocks by a mile, in most of those he basically doubled up the next best guy. He had the worst supporting cast of any champion in the 2000s and causals on here trying to claim that team was stacked.

 

[DrexlersFade]

Who cares how many fukking All-NBA players or All-Stars were on that team

Or that his second leading scorer only averaged 15 a game

Stop judging teams based off fukking names. The Spurs were a well oiled machine and ran a system that was foul proof. They had a game plan/strategy that worked. In basketball there are players who are better served with complimentary role players rather than another star.

If Duncan’s team was so bad he would have had to ramp up his scoring considerably but he didn’t. He averaged between 22-24 points per game in those first three title runs and two of his Finals opponents didn’t even play at a 50 win regular season pace and were weak as shyt offensively.

If the Spurs were so bad how did they manage to have the 7th best offense in the league that season.

Pretty much every fukking G.O.A.T. had to significantly ramp up their scoring volume.

Them nikkas being damn near 40 didn’t matter. That was normal. That’s why I call that era the dead ball era because the league was and most star players played on one man teams like Duncan and the pace of play and spacing was awful. Duncan and his slow, bruising style was tailor made for this era.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Who on the Nets could adequately defend Duncan



The first time Duncan faced comp in the finals was against Detroit

Kenyon Martin is a far better option to guard Duncan than anyone on that team is to guard Shaq.

Duncan led all players in scoring-rebounds-blocks that series and almost averaged as many assists as Kidd.


Duncan smashing the Shaq-Kobe-Horry-Fisher Lakers by 40 in Game 6 that year (had 37-16-4 in the deciding game).

 

[ISO]

MJ, Bron, KAJ, Magic, Hakeem, Duncan, Shaq, Bird, Wilt, Russell, Kobe are my top-11.







Parker was a 20yo 2nd-year player. Manu was a rookie. Stephen Jackson was in his 3rd season and hadn't made his leap yet. Robinson was 37yo, averaged 7ppg in the playoffs and retired when the season was over.

And you named 40yo Kevin Willis and 38yo Steve Kerr neither of whom played even 5 minutes/game in the playoffs.


Compare that shyt to the Lakers running out with Shaq-Kobe-Fisher-Horry or the Mavs having Dirk-Nash-Finley-Van Exel, all of whom were in their prime in both cases. Other teams had FAR better players to carry the load than Duncan did.

TP: 14-3-3 on 40% shooting
Jack: 13-4-3 on 41% shooting
Bowen: 7-3-2- on 37% shooting
Admiral: 7-7-1 on 54% shooting

THAT was his starting lineup. And Manu was the first guy off the bench averaging 9ppg on 38% shooting. There was no one on his squad who was even close to all-star status. Duncan led the entire team in points, rebounds, assists, and blocks by a mile, in most of those he basically doubled up the next best guy. He had the worst supporting cast of any champion in the 2000s and causals on here trying to claim that team was stacked.

None of this name dropping and stat dropping matters.

If his supporting casts were that bad he would have ramped up his scoring like pretty much every other great but he never did because he didn’t have to period.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

None of this name dropping and stat dropping matters.

If his supporting casts were that bad he would have ramped up his scoring like pretty much every other great but he never did because he didn’t have to period.

This is the dumbest argument. "I don't care how bad his teammates were or how little they did that year, all I care about is points per game!"

Magic never averaged more than 21.8ppg in any title run. Wilt averaged less than 22ppg in both of his title runs. Russell peaked at 22.4ppg in his highest-scoring title run. So stop talking about what "every other great" did.

Like I said, Kobe is the ultimate scoring-focused player and not nearly as good with all-around impact as Duncan, but he only had one Finals win where his ppg surpassed Duncan's '99 Finals. You could also mention Duncan averaging 32-12-4 and 3 blocks/game in 2006 against the Mavs (only lost cause of a disputed call in Game 7) or 29-17-5 and 3 blocks/game in 2002 against the Lakers (lost to a juggernaut team when he had a for-shyt supporting cast)....not to mention 27-14-2 and 2 blocks/game in the '99 Finals and 24-17-5 with 5 blocks/game in the 03 Finals....but none of those massive stat lines count for some reason? Even old man Duncan put up 30 and 16 in Game 6 of the '13 Finals and would have won Finals MVP if Ray doesn't hit that shot.


Bird never averaged more than 27.5ppg in any playoff run even though he played in a FAR higher scoring era than Duncan and didn't contribute neither as much on the other end....yet he's a playoff killer and Duncan is a guy who didn't need to ramp up his game?

 

[ISO]

This is the dumbest argument. "I don't care how bad his teammates were or how little they did that year, all I care about is points per game!"



And like I said, Kobe is the ultimate scoring-focused player and not nearly as good with all-around impact as Duncan, but he only had one Finals win where his ppg surpassed Duncan's '99 Finals. You could also mention Duncan averaging 32-12-4 and 3 blocks/game in 2006 against the Mavs (only lost cause of a disputed call in Game 7) or 29-17-5 and 3 blocks/game in 2002 against the Lakers (lost to a juggernaut team when he had a for-shyt supporting cast)....not to mention 27-14-2 and 2 blocks/game in the '99 Finals and 24-17-5 with 5 blocks/game in the 03 Finals....but none of those massive stat lines count for some reason?

But you’re the one using points per game to quantify Duncan’s teammates

You’re the one saying they were “bad” based mostly on their points per game

His teammates weren’t “bad” the Spurs again were a well oiled machine that played a team system and had a foul proof game plan that just worked. If his team was “bad” he would have had to score more. The era needs to also be contextualized. A lot of teams were built in a similar fashion it was the dead ball era.

-Russell wasn’t a scorer that along with him playing in the 1950’s and 1960’s is why many people keep him outside of these discussions, you yourself have critiqued his efficiency.

-Wilt was seen as a choker and loser throughout his career, there’s a huge difference between his regular season and playoff scoring, big dip you yourself have critiqued him for these things.

-Like I said Magic was a PG on a stacked team in an era where they were expected to be distributors more than scorers. Magic’s overall creation increased in the playoffs.

-Bird if I’m not mistaken you have critiqued for series he had poor scoring volume or inefficient series, he too played on stacked teams and was outscored in several series by teammates like McHale.

Keep that same energy. We’re talking about putting him in a top 5 discussion. Olajuwon, James, Abdul-Jabbar, O’Neal, Jordan all these players typically ramped up their scoring in ways Duncan didn’t.

The ‘99 and ‘03 Finals it’s not that they don’t count it’s that competition needs to be taken into consideration and those teams are among the worst to make a Finals and weren’t even on a 50 win pace they could not score the basketball.

 

[VBM]

2003 DunGawd

Gave the Lakers that work in the western semis. Kobe stans cop pleas saying "we were tired...Shaq was out of shape." Kobe finally gets to be the alpha and the team loses to SA after beating them the two years prior. Imagine that. DunGawd closed em out with 37/16.

WCF vs Mavs

Game 1 - 40pts, 15 reb, 7ast

Game 2 - 32 pts, 15 reb, 5 ast, 3 blocks

Game 3 - 34 pts, 24 reb, 7 ast

For the series, 28 pts, 16.7 reb, 5.8 asts, 3 blks

Then we all know what happened against New Jersey

As for Kobe. He can have his back to back (we all know the three-peat was Shaq's ). Just like he had that back to back to back run of missing the playoffs to close his career out. But but but his Achilles

 

[Controversy]

Kenyon Martin is a far better option to guard Duncan than anyone on that team is to guard Shaq.

Duncan led all players in scoring-rebounds-blocks that series and almost averaged as many assists as Kidd.


Duncan smashing the Shaq-Kobe-Horry-Fisher Lakers by 40 in Game 6 that year (had 37-16-4 in the deciding game).

In the 2000s, Kobe went 18-8 against Duncan in the playoffs

You really think Kenyon Martin could check Tim



Kmart couldn't check any of the top PFs in the league

The East routinely got killed against elite bigs

Sheed & Ben were the only front court that could contain opposing WC bigs