Tim Duncan has 5 rings why isn’t he ever mentioned in top 5

[Controversy]

Because he played with Timothy. You taking them over any of those cats listed?

Tony Parker is being dismissed as chopped liver when he's one of the 5 best postseason PGs since the ABA merger

Timmy had continuity and a strong supporting cast. The sum was greater than the parts.

the funny thing is Tony & Manu will both be HOFers.

 

[FTBS]

Tony Parker is being dismissed as chopped liver when he's one of the 5 best postseason PGs since the ABA merger

Timmy had continuity and a strong supporting cast. The sum was greater than the parts.

the funny thing is Tony & Manu will both be HOFers.

Because he played with Timothy. You taking them over any of those cats listed?

No one is being dismissed or diminished. If anything people want to elevate him because they don't like Timothy or can't process how great he was. TP and Manu's styles were more exciting and palatable. You have to have a strong supporting cast to win a chip. That's a given. For every other player with 4 chips it's a given that they have at least one superlative talent. Tony and Manu were great but you can't even bring yourself to put them in the class of other supporting players for squads that won that many chips. Tim was the continuity. There was massive turnover from chip number 1 to chip number 4. Only constant was him.

Tim would still be held in the exact same regard, probably higher if he goes to ORL in 2000...can Manu and Tony say the same? No...they can't. How'd things go when Tim took a step back and they were running the show and in their primes? First first round L. Lost to an 8th seed. OKC won 4 straight after being down 0-2. Choked away a chip. Team won before they arrived. Team won when they were young and going through growing pains. Team won once Kawhi took that step. But in between when they were both at their peaks and it was their squad it was failure after failure.

 

[Controversy]

No one is being dismissed or diminished. If anything people want to elevate him because they don't like Timothy or can't process how great he was. TP and Manu's styles were more exciting and palatable. You have to have a strong supporting cast to win a chip. That's a given. For every other player with 4 chips it's a given that they have at least one superlative talent. Tony and Manu were great but you can't even bring yourself to put them in the class of other supporting players for squads that won that many chips. Tim was the continuity. There was massive turnover from chip number 1 to chip number 4. Only constant was him.

Tim would still be held in the exact same regard, probably higher if he goes to ORL in 2000...can Manu and Tony say the same? No...they can't. How'd things go when Tim took a step back and they were running the show and in their primes? First first round L. Lost to an 8th seed. OKC won 4 straight after being down 0-2. Choked away a chip. Team won before they arrived. Team won when they were young and going through growing pains. Team won once Kawhi took that step. But in between when they were both at their peaks and it was their squad it was failure after failure.

Tony Parker made multiple finals as their top player

 

[SadimirPutin]

lots of people have him in the top 5....he is ROUTINELY called the best PF of all time

if your thesis is that he doesnt have as vocal a fanbase as premiere wing players you are right

but that is NOT what you laid out in he original post

 

[SadimirPutin]

LeBron had serious shooting problems early in his career, and he had some infamous disappearing acts in key playoff series. And he picked his spots. For those reasons, I can't rank him higher.

Elite stand up comedy

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Kerr & Kevin Willis were experienced vets with playoff experience. They were basically 2020 Udonis Haslem.

wasnt Kerr the one who got hot and sent the Spurs to the finals and he was the hero of the clincher against Dallas?

Kerr and Willis were 38 and 40 and played 5 minutes/game in the playoffs, shut up already.

Tony Parker is being dismissed as chopped liver when he's one of the 5 best postseason PGs since the ABA merger

The fact that Duncan elevated TP to the point that casuals like you wanna put him in the same league as Magic, Steph, IT, CP3, Nash, Kidd, and Stockton should be enough to make Duncan the GOAT.

It's dumb enough even now to put TP as top-5 over half the guys in that list I just gave....but if he didn't have Duncan to carry him there is ZERO chance he would be mentioned in their league.

When Duncan won his 2nd title, TP was averaging just 15 and 4 on 40% shooting with shoddy defense and was still 3 years away from making his first all-star team....but you want to talk like he was playing at a HOF level. Come on now.

 

[ISO]

Kerr and Willis were 38 and 40 and played 5 minutes/game in the playoffs, shut up already.






The fact that Duncan elevated TP to the point that casuals like you wanna put him in the same league as Magic, Steph, IT, CP3, Nash, Kidd, and Stockton should be enough to make Duncan the GOAT.

It's dumb enough even now to put TP as top-5 over half the guys in that list I just gave....but if he didn't have Duncan to carry him there is ZERO chance he would be mentioned in their league.

When Duncan won his 2nd title, TP was averaging just 15 and 4 on 40% shooting with shoddy defense and was still 3 years away from making his first all-star team....but you want to talk like he was playing at a HOF level. Come on now.

Attributing Manu and TP’s success to Duncan is wild they earned that on their own merits.

TP remains historically underrated.

 

[FTBS]

Attributing Manu and TP’s success to Duncan is wild they earned that on their own merits.

TP remains historically underrated.

What is this success? Not being a smart ass, I'm really asking.

How much of that can you separate from playing with Timothy?

Where should TP be rated? Whose level are you putting him on? Would you still say that if he was drafted by the Grizzlies or the Clippers and thusly didn't have the rings and playoff success?

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

Boring on and off the court, that's literally the main reason.

Somewhat overrated to me due to us never bring able to see him lead a bad team and what that would look like.

Tbh, like Bird and Magic he always had a great team and great coaching around him. It's not his fault but we never got to see any of them with a bad team and putting up crazy numbers (Bird numbers are crazy in his prime doe). It's not necessarily something I hold against players but it will definitely affect your all time ranking

The 2003 Spurs weren’t exactly brimming with talent

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

The crazy thing is, Shaq and Kobe had each other's help while Duncan faced them every year in the playoffs without another player of that stature. You'd think this would make people appreciate Duncan more.

 

[ISO]

What is this success? Not being a smart ass, I'm really asking.

How much of that can you separate from playing with Timothy?

Where should TP be rated? Whose level are you putting him on? Would you still say that if he was drafted by the Grizzlies or the Clippers and thusly didn't have the rings and playoff success?

What rings would Duncan have drafted by the Grizzlies or Clippers

I can only speak for Parker’s skills. He was an elite midrange shooter, one of the best below the rim finishers ever, was one of the quickest dribble penetrators of his era, could set the table, and was a P&R maestro. In a lot of years he was hyper efficient with FG%’s north of 50%, he was also clutch.

This was a guy that made 4x All-NBA

He was elite and without “Timothy” would still make noise on another franchise. If the Cavaliers drafted him and paired with LeBron James during the first stint he would be an ideal partner.

 

[VBM]

Attributing Manu and TP’s success to Duncan is wild they earned that on their own merits.

TP remains historically underrated.

I agree he's underrated. In the 2000s it was all about Nash, CP3 and Deron Williams (among others). Parker was never viewed as an elite PG. Then again, Pop was running "4-down" all the time (dump the ball to Tim in the post), so he didn't have the flash that the other PGs had.

But we can't treat him as some all-world player in a Duncan vs Kobe discussion because Kobe stans will tell you Pau Gasol was a role player and had to be dragged kicking and screaming to two titles.

 

[ISO]

I agree he's underrated. In the 2000s it was all about Nash, CP3 and Deron Williams (among others). Parker was never viewed as an elite PG. Then again, Pop was running "4-down" all the time (dump the ball to Tim in the post), so he didn't have the flash that the other PGs had.

But we can't treat him as some all-world player in a Duncan vs Kobe discussion because Kobe stans will tell you Pau Gasol was a role player and had to be dragged kicking and screaming to two titles.

Parker was the one making All-Star and All-NBA teams in D-Will’s era.

There’s a revisionist history to his game that he’s leapfrogged Parker, Nash, Billups, and even fukking CP3 to some in that late 00’s era.

 

[FTBS]

What rings would Duncan have drafted by the Grizzlies or Clippers

I can only speak for Parker’s skills. He was an elite midrange shooter, one of the best below the rim finishers ever, was one of the quickest dribble penetrators of his era, could set the table, and was a P&R maestro. In a lot of years he was hyper efficient with FG%’s north of 50%, he was also clutch.

This was a guy that made 4x All-NBA

He was elite and without “Timothy” would still make noise on another franchise. If the Cavaliers drafted him and paired with LeBron James during the first stint he would be an ideal partner.

He'd have a much better shot than TP or Manu. It's not like SA was the the Lakers or C's or shyt even the Rockets or Pistons and had all this championship history before he got there. They had never so much as made a Finals and within 2 years with him they had a chip. Tony was in HS and Manu was in Mypos.

Let's keep it a buck, you put Tony on another team that isn't nearly as successful as the Spurs, are you and others holding him in the same esteem? Does he even get those All NBA nods. shyt does he get the chances to learn and grow, or the development, that he got from SA. You think he's able to do all that you listed at the same level with the defense focused on him?

You really think a 6'2 guy that didn't play defense and didn't shoot 3s was the ideal partner for young Bron?

 

[FTBS]

The crazy thing is, Shaq and Kobe had each other's help while Duncan faced them every year in the playoffs without another player of that stature. You'd think this would make people appreciate Duncan more.

shyt is amazing. Look at the way people talk about those guys, and Duncan got past them twice (first time Kobe was young but they had Glen Rice too) with the likes of Mario Elie, Jaren Jackson, young inconsistent TP and Manu, and flabby D. Rob as his backup and people either ignore it or cop pleas. If that was any other player, nikkas would be writing sonnets about the 99 season. Instead, people want to put an asterisk by it because the wrong team won.