Tim Duncan has 5 rings why isn’t he ever mentioned in top 5

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VBM said:
2003 DunGawd :wow:

Gave the Lakers that work in the western semis. Kobe stans cop pleas saying "we were tired...Shaq was out of shape." Kobe finally gets to be the alpha and the team loses to SA after beating them the two years prior. Imagine that. DunGawd closed em out with 37/16.

WCF vs Mavs

Game 1 - 40pts, 15 reb, 7ast

Game 2 - 32 pts, 15 reb, 5 ast, 3 blocks

Game 3 - 34 pts, 24 reb, 7 ast

For the series, 28 pts, 16.7 reb, 5.8 asts, 3 blks

Then we all know what happened against New Jersey :wow:

As for Kobe. He can have his back to back (we all know the three-peat was Shaq's :hubie:). Just like he had that back to back to back run of missing the playoffs to close his career out. But but but his Achilles :francis:
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Tim played incredible in 03, so did Kobe. Prob was Lakers supporting cast was toast by then. Championship fatigue I suppose.

Tim did get Kobe a few times but more times than not it was Kobe dunking on Duncan and giving the Spurs the smackdown
 
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K-Mart was 6’9 230 lb. with an average wingspan yes he was tough and a pogo stick but Duncan was the size of a center :heh:
 
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B1G_controversy said:
In the 2000s, Kobe* went 18-8 against Duncan in the playoffs

You really think Kenyon Martin could check Tim

:mjlol:

Kmart couldn't check any of the top PFs in the league

The East routinely got killed against elite bigs

Sheed & Ben were the only front court that could contain opposing WC bigs
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*Shaq and the Lakers.
 
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Rhakim said:
MJ, Bron, KAJ, Magic, Hakeem, Duncan, Shaq, Bird, Wilt, Russell, Kobe are my top-11.





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Parker was a 20yo 2nd-year player. Manu was a rookie. Stephen Jackson was in his 3rd season and hadn't made his leap yet. Robinson was 37yo, averaged 7ppg in the playoffs and retired when the season was over.

And you named 40yo Kevin Willis and 38yo Steve Kerr neither of whom played even 5 minutes/game in the playoffs. :why:


Compare that shyt to the Lakers running out with Shaq-Kobe-Fisher-Horry or the Mavs having Dirk-Nash-Finley-Van Exel, all of whom were in their prime in both cases. Other teams had FAR better players to carry the load than Duncan did.

TP: 14-3-3 on 40% shooting
Jack: 13-4-3 on 41% shooting
Bowen: 7-3-2- on 37% shooting
Admiral: 7-7-1 on 54% shooting

THAT was his starting lineup. And Manu was the first guy off the bench averaging 9ppg on 38% shooting. There was no one on his squad who was even close to all-star status. Duncan led the entire team in points, rebounds, assists, and blocks by a mile, in most of those he basically doubled up the next best guy. He had the worst supporting cast of any champion in the 2000s and causals on here trying to claim that team was stacked.
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you obviously don't hoop

no one looked at the Spurs as having a weak roster in 03

they were a defensive team with depth

The threat of Tony Parker driving was the diff against the Lakers and everyone seems to forget that

Didn't Stephen Jackson get a big contract after the 03 title?

Kerr & Kevin Willis were experienced vets with playoff experience. They were basically 2020 Udonis Haslem.

wasnt Kerr the one who got hot and sent the Spurs to the finals and he was the hero of the clincher against Dallas?

I hate y'all young nikkas, only know stats and narratives...always lacking context

thank god I lived through the era to have all the context that is always overlooked
 
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B1G_controversy said:
you obviously don't hoop

no one looked at the Spurs as having a weak roster in 03

they were a defensive team with depth

The threat of Tony Parker driving was the diff against the Lakers and everyone seems to forget that

Didn't Stephen Jackson get a big contract after the 03 title?

Kerr & Kevin Willis were experienced vets with playoff experience. They were basically 2020 Udonis Haslem.

wasnt Kerr the one who got hot and sent the Spurs to the finals and he was the hero of the clincher against Dallas?

I hate y'all young nikkas, only know stats and narratives...always lacking context

thank god I lived through the era to have all the context that is always overlooked
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Context like Kobe having the most dominant center on his team and the most accomplished NBA coach ever?

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But you’re the one using points per game to quantify Duncan’s teammates :heh:

You’re the one saying they were “bad” based mostly on their points per game :heh:

His teammates weren’t “bad” the Spurs again were a well oiled machine that played a team system and had a foul proof game plan that just worked. If his team was “bad” he would have had to score more. The era needs to also be contextualized. A lot of teams were built in a similar fashion it was the dead ball era.

-Russell wasn’t a scorer that along with him playing in the 1950’s and 1960’s is why many people keep him outside of these discussions, you yourself have critiqued his efficiency.

-Wilt was seen as a choker and loser throughout his career, there’s a huge difference between his regular season and playoff scoring, big dip you yourself have critiqued him for these things.

-Like I said Magic was a PG on a stacked team in an era where they were expected to be distributors more than scorers. Magic’s overall creation increased in the playoffs.

-Bird if I’m not mistaken you have critiqued for series he had poor scoring volume or inefficient series, he too played on stacked teams and was outscored in several series by teammates like McHale.

Keep that same energy. We’re talking about putting him in a top 5 discussion. Olajuwon, James, Abdul-Jabbar, O’Neal, Jordan all these players typically ramped up their scoring in ways Duncan didn’t.

The ‘99 and ‘03 Finals it’s not that they don’t count it’s that competition needs to be taken into consideration and those teams are among the worst to make a Finals and weren’t even on a 50 win pace.
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Shaq was playing the same teams/same caliber of teams. He dusted Shaq's ass to get there both times. We not gonna act like he never got buckets. 27 and 14 in your second year after dropping 29 and 11 on prime Shaq's head sounds pretty good to me. He regularly upped his scoring and flat out outplayed Shaq aka the other top big of his era. He scored when needed. He wasn't dropping 40 on Rik Smits and Todd Macullah...naw he saved that for Shaq and Amare and Dirk. Spurs were a great defensive team (that he anchored) and it was a low scoring era, especially in the playoffs. And he wasn't a ball hogging whiner. Also, most scoring bigs generally have great PGs/passers setting them up. Duncan had to set himself up and even set his teammates up. He was the reason that machine was so well oiled.

Duncan's teammates weren't bad. They weren't on the level of most of the other guys we see with 4 or more rings though. Shaq had Kobe and Wade. Kobe had Shaq and Pau. Magic and Kareem had each other and Worthy. Bron had Wade and Kyrie and AD. Which one of those do you even have to think about before taking them over Ginobli and Parker?
 
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Shaq was playing the same teams/same caliber of teams. He dusted Shaq's ass to get there both times. We not gonna act like he never got buckets. 27 and 14 in your second year after dropping 29 and 11 on prime Shaq's head sounds pretty good to me. He regularly upped his scoring and flat out outplayed Shaq aka the other top big of his era. He scored when needed. He wasn't dropping 40 on Rik Smits and Todd Macullah...naw he saved that for Shaq and Amare and Dirk. Spurs were a great defensive team (that he anchored) and it was a low scoring era, especially in the playoffs. And he wasn't a ball hogging whiner. Also, most scoring bigs generally have great PGs/passers setting them up. Duncan had to set himself up and even set his teammates up. He was the reason that machine was so well oiled.

Duncan's teammates weren't bad. They weren't on the level of most of the other guys we see with 4 or more rings though. Shaq had Kobe and Wade. Kobe had Shaq and Pau. Magic and Kareem had each other and Worthy. Bron had Wade and Kyrie and AD. Which one of those do you even have to think about before taking them over Ginobli and Parker?
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Tony Parker is one of the most accomplished postseason point guards in history

Manu should've won 05 FMVP
 
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I'm quite amused when Kobe stans cry about the Lakers TEAM in 2005...but it's all about the INDIVIDUAL when the argument fits their narrative.

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Probably every player in top 10 has a case for top 5, except Mike who should be #1 of all time.

Tim is the greatest power forward who played in the era of skilled bigs. He gets underrated because of Lakers being the most popular team threepeating while Tim never won back to back. He still has 5 championships and Spurs ain't done much since him retiring. Also Popovich is given too much credit. The Spurs front office was excellent, giving him the players that match his system. Pop making every player look good is a myth.

It wasn't until mid 00s when Spurs became a more stacked team. By the time he won his 3rd championship Manu was getting his first all star appearance and zero for Tony Parker yet.
 
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