Tim Duncan has 5 rings why isn’t he ever mentioned in top 5

[VBM]

Got knocked by the thunder in 12.
Best record post all star in 13, tore achilles before playoffs started.

And 05? Look how the Lakers finished that season. They only won 6 out of their last 30 games. Bron would never. DunGawd would never

He was no longer dominant though, and it definitely wasn't on both ends. Duncan would go on the block, call for it, and go into his move. He played aggressive, even when his numbers didn't jump out at you. I'd say '05 or '06 he wasn't playing the same. He was looking like a shell of himself even the '07 chip vs Lebron...I think that's the year Boozer (in Utah) made a name for himself, kept dragging Timmy out and shooting that high-arching shot over him. He looked slow in '05 vs the Pistons as well. He had about a 6-7 year run. He really started coasting after that. Like I said, he went from aggressive to Sheed...coasting. They clearly became a system team before he even had a decade in.

05 he was playing on two bad ankles. Still won a title against the Wallace front line. This is from an 05 article after Game 1 of the Suns series:

The surge occurred with Duncan playing on two gimpy ankles -- the seriously sprained right ankle that hampered him during the regular season, and the left ankle he sprained against Seattle.

"I think it was weighing heavily on a lot of our minds, the fact that Tim's other ankle had been swollen and strained," Barry said. "But a lot of us also thought that maybe it would get himself back on balance."

The sprain Duncan sustained last Thursday was severe enough that he admitted he questioned whether he could play in Game 1.

07 playoffs - he gave opposing squads 22.2 pts, 11.5 boards and 3 blocks. Light work.

 

[Da King]

San Antonio market


simple as that

 

[Juggalo Fred]

Steph peaked higher and captivated the league to a much higher degree.

Duncan has 3 more finals MVPs though

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Boring on and off the court, that's literally the main reason.

Somewhat overrated to me due to us never bring able to see him lead a bad team and what that would look like.

Tbh, like Bird and Magic he always had a great team and great coaching around him. It's not his fault but we never got to see any of them with a bad team and putting up crazy numbers (Bird numbers are crazy in his prime doe). It's not necessarily something I hold against players but it will definitely affect your all time ranking

It's bullshyt that Duncan "always had a great team around him". In his prime he just made bad squads look good. How the fukk would his 2001 squad be a great team?

Here's the starting lineup:

PG: 37yo completely washed Terry Porter
SG: Antonio Daniels, a career backup
SF: 34yo completely washed Danny Ferry
PF: Duncan
Center: 35yo post-injury David Robinson

How is that a great squad? David Robinson was a solid 14 and 9 guy with good defense, other than that none of Duncan's teammates should even be starting on a good team. Yet Duncan led them to the WCF, where they had no chance of beating a prime Shaq/Kobe squad whose supporting cast (Fox, Fisher, Horry) was far better than Duncan's even if you forget for a moment they had 2 superstars instead of just 1.

Duncan was so good he made forgettable squads look stacked.



3 Finals MVPs
2 regular season MVPs with 2 runner-ups
Team leader for 5 championships
15 All-NBA teams

Anyone who leaves him out of their top-10 is just disrespectful. There are NOT ten players in NBA history who have done more in their career than Duncan has.

 

[DetroitEWarren]

It's bullshyt that Duncan "always had a great team around him". In his prime he just made bad squads look good. How the fukk would his 2001 squad be a great team?

Here's the starting lineup:

PG: 37yo completely washed Terry Porter
SG: Antonio Daniels, a career backup
SF: 34yo completely washed Danny Ferry
PF: Duncan
Center: 35yo post-injury David Robinson

How is that a great squad? David Robinson was a solid 14 and 9 guy with good defense, other than that none of Duncan's teammates should even be starting on a good team. Yet Duncan led them to the WCF, where they had no chance of beating a prime Shaq/Kobe squad whose supporting cast (Fox, Fisher, Horry) was far better than Duncan's even if you forget for a moment they had 2 superstars instead of just 1.

Duncan was so good he made forgettable squads look stacked.

That's fair

 

[Controversy]

That's fair

How many seasons did he roll out with a squad like that?

Is that the Spurs team that got swept?

They weren't exactly Kwame Brown, Luke Walton & Smush Parker

 

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How many seasons did he roll out with a squad like that?

Is that the Spurs team that got swept?

They weren't exactly Kwame Brown, Luke Walton & Smush Parker

 

[DetroitEWarren]

Pop made the playoffs with a worse team around Derozan . Coaching counts too bruh, especially if it's the GOAT coach

 

[ISO]

It's bullshyt that Duncan "always had a great team around him". In his prime he just made bad squads look good. How the fukk would his 2001 squad be a great team?

Here's the starting lineup:

PG: 37yo completely washed Terry Porter
SG: Antonio Daniels, a career backup
SF: 34yo completely washed Danny Ferry
PF: Duncan
Center: 35yo post-injury David Robinson

How is that a great squad? David Robinson was a solid 14 and 9 guy with good defense, other than that none of Duncan's teammates should even be starting on a good team. Yet Duncan led them to the WCF, where they had no chance of beating a prime Shaq/Kobe squad whose supporting cast (Fox, Fisher, Horry) was far better than Duncan's even if you forget for a moment they had 2 superstars instead of just 1.

Duncan was so good he made forgettable squads look stacked.



3 Finals MVPs
2 regular season MVPs with 2 runner-ups
Team leader for 5 championships
15 All-NBA teams

Anyone who leaves him out of their top-10 is just disrespectful. There are NOT ten players in NBA history who have done more in their career than Duncan has.

Name dropping is pointless Spurs always play like a well oiled machine and can plug and play anyone and compete above their talent level

They’re still doing it to this day

Nikkas love talking about him facing Shaq and Kobe yet his teams were still good enough he never had to ramp up his scoring to a Shaq or Kobe level and they played together

 

[Professor Emeritus]

How many seasons did he roll out with a squad like that?

Is that the Spurs team that got swept?

They weren't exactly Kwame Brown, Luke Walton & Smush Parker

The made the WCF then ran into one of the biggest juggernauts of all time. Why would you compare that to a squad (with Kobe and Odom) that didn't even make it past the 1st round?

I wouldn't say Duncan had a stacked squad until 2005 or so. Before that he was making due with mostly role players. Look at his 2003 championship team. There wasn't a single All-Star on that team besides him. His #2 was a 20yo Tony Parker who was still 3 years away from making his first all-star team. His #3 was a completely washed 37yo David Robinson averaging 10ppg in the Finals. His #4 was a young Stephen Jackson in just his 3rd season, his #5 was rookie Manu who averaged 7ppg.

That squad, without a single teammate even close to All-Star status, beat:

The Marbury/Marion/Amare/Penny Suns
The Shaq/Kobe/Horry/Fisher Lakers
The Dirk/Nash/Finley/Van Exel Mavs
The Kidd/Kenyon/RJ/Kittles Nets

Every one of the teams that Duncan beat that year had a better supporting cast than Duncan did. The Lakers and Mavs especially were stacked compared to his team. Yet none of them were even able to seriously challenge the Spurs - they closed every series with a double-digit victory in Game 6, and in the case of the Shaq-Kobe Lakers beat them by almost 40.

You look at the 1999 and 2003 title teams, those are some of the weakest supporting casts that any star has carried to a title in the last 25 years. The fact Duncan doesn't get credit for doing that is wild.

 

[10bandz]

he was a role player for half his career including his 5th ring

but he's top 10 of all time

 

[VBM]

Pop made the playoffs with a worse team around Derozan . Coaching counts too bruh, especially if it's the GOAT coach

I'm fine with that argument as long as the others on the list are dinged for it as well. As far as Duncan's contemporaries, Kobe didn't win anything without Phil. Shaq didn't win anything without Phil or Riley. Magic at least got one with Westhead, but the rest were with Riles.

Bron has that argument going for him at least. Winning titles with Spoelstra (unknown at the time), Ty Lue and Frank Vogel.

 

[10bandz]

And all those other guys named would have more....but its a no anyway...

This isn't even news, its something I think is generally accepted by most basketball heads. You can literally line Kobe side by side with all of his historical peers and evaluate playoff performances and he's the guy who consistently grades out lower...

We all know what Kobe is to the game and the culture overall, but he's more of an OD elite regular season warrior than a habitual A-level postseason assassin, yet there are peers of his who were both, peers of his who did both on a higher level, and the playoffs are where these guys separated themselves from an otherwise dead heat...

Duncan isn't the most dominant player in postseason lore but his highs are higher than Kobe's...

Look at this dumbass shyt just give it up brother man

 

[VBM]

Name dropping is pointless Spurs always play like a well oiled machine and can plug and play anyone and compete above their talent level

They’re still doing it to this day

Nikkas love talking about him facing Shaq and Kobe yet his teams were still good enough he never had to ramp up his scoring to a Shaq or Kobe level and they played together

Now I know you're

 

[10bandz]

they not gonna respond to this shyt tho

but you know what i noticed? A Tim Duncan thread ALWAYS gets filled with Kobe talk. Kobe stans are the most insecure stans in sports.

PJ changed his system depending on his stars.....Kobe ran several versions of the triangle offense with Shaq and Pau. Plus Phil himself said Kobe ran the triangle better than anybody he coached. Kobe never played in his prime with another coach except 2005 which was the first year of a rebuild. Plus MJ won all of his titles with PJ so how come only Kobe is singled out?


Also, the OP mentioned Kobe you fukking dumbass, Kobe stans didn't bring him up. You nikkas are pathetic.