TI really was King of the South

[Wacky D]

How is it irrelevant? They were only hot because of the label. They weren't mainstays.

Neither CMR and No Limit signaled The South was here to stay. They weren't even here to stay. You could make a solid argument for CMR, but everybody knows Wayne/Drake/Nicki CMR isn't the same as Hot Boys/Big Tymers CMR.

NO LIMIT MOVED THE NEEDLE.
they were the ones that got it poppin, made it so that the south can be viewed as a viable region like the east & west, and opened up the market for the general rap fan outside of the south, to check for unrelated southern acts.

and I don't like to put cash money in the same sentence. they were moreso the icing on the cake. they weren't on the frontline & in the trenches like that. no limit did most of the dirty work.

I never said that the industry wasn't working with No Limit, but it was a long way from No Limit dominating the industry or being sought after the way Lil' Jon was. You can't tell me that No Limit did anything on the level of Usher's "Yeah" featuring Ludacris and Lil' Jon (produced by Lil' Jon). Then there was Ciara's "Goodies" and Petey Pablo's "Freak A Leak".

THE BOTTOM LINE.

master p is the one who got the south poppin.
and he did it a good 6 years before lil jon had his run, which makes this whole debate ridiculous.

also, lil jon wasn't a rapper. he was the go-to radio producer for a couple years. so of course he'd have more radio hits and would have more of a trending portfolio.
and even still, that wouldn't have even been possible if it wasn't for no limit's run. lil jon would've still been where he was in '96.

Li'l Jon had it easy after the South takeover. He's a beneficiary of coming after other folk knockin' the door down.

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I love Juvi. I was in New Orleans from 1996-2002. I just think his career kinda flamed out after his second album.

he started beefing with cash money after his 2nd album breh.
and since then, hes had bigger strings of hits than the 2nd album.

youre confusing politics with popularity.

this is why you cant compare modern-day longevity to that of previous eras. its just gawdy stat-padding like the current NBA.

its because this nikka was from the south but loved everywhere. Could hop on songs with nikkas from north,south,east and west and murder them nikkas in whatever capacity the song called for....a country ass nikka who had a swagger that wasnt deemed "country bumpkin",T.I had the all purpose swagger where he would be considered the cool nikka in any timezone

BREH what are you talking about?

TIP is country as hell.

tip was moreso liked, rather than loved.

who did he murder on tracks?

 

[JustCKing]

NO LIMIT MOVED THE NEEDLE.
they were the ones that got it poppin, made it so that the south can be viewed as a viable region like the east & west, and opened up the market for the general rap fan outside of the south, to check for unrelated southern acts.

and I don't like to put cash money in the same sentence. they were moreso the icing on the cake. they weren't on the frontline & in the trenches like that. no limit did most of the dirty work.





THE BOTTOM LINE.

master p is the one who got the south poppin.
and he did it a good 6 years before lil jon had his run, which makes this whole debate ridiculous.

also, lil jon wasn't a rapper. he was the go-to radio producer for a couple years. so of course he'd have more radio hits and would have more of a trending portfolio.
and even still, that wouldn't have even been possible if it wasn't for no limit's run. lil jon would've still been where he was in '96.





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he started beefing with cash money after his 2nd album breh.
and since then, hes had bigger strings of hits than the 2nd album.

youre confusing politics with popularity.

this is why you cant compare modern-day longevity to that of previous eras. its just gawdy stat-padding like the current NBA.





BREH what are you talking about?

TIP is country as hell.

tip was moreso liked, rather than loved.

who did he murder on tracks?

I'm not saying that No Limit didn't make an impact, but No Limit didn't blow The South up. The label was only directly responsible for three stars: P, Silkk, and Mystikal. After P and No Limit declined in popularity, so did Silkk's. That left Mystikal and his sound started to distance itself from No Limit sound. Even in No Limit's prime, The South was not on par with The East and The West. The South didn't dominate or dictate the sound the way the East and West had until Lil' Jon blew up.

Master P didn't have a six year run. It was half of that. By the time Jon blew up, P was getting Jon to produce for him and other No Limit artists. By 2001, Jon was bigger than P in terms of popularity.

Lil Jon was more than some go to radio producer. Dude's "what", "yeah" and "okay" ad libs were everywhere. Jon was producing hit records for artists all over the South from Petey Pablo to Young Buck to Ying Yang Twins.

This all would've been possible without P because Jon was making crunk records during and after No Limit's run.

well if that's what you consider legitimized, then by your standards, it was legitimized by no limit.

and the rest of your post is just you going in circles.
you don't seem to have a grasp for who the barrier breakers are. prolly because youre from down there, so all these guys are detrimental to you. you even cite the regional guys as pioneers.





1.) are you really going to repeat the same bullchit, after someone who is from a completely different part of the country, just told you otherwise? this is a typical post from you.

4/5.) to sum up, TIP is the pioneer, but jeezy is the game-changer.

No Limit was not a dominant sound. You didn't have artists from all over creating somgs that sounded like No Limit.

You don't have a grasp for what a barrier breaker is. You discredit Kast for brealing down barriers, but are using that very same logic to make P and No Limit out to be barrier breakers. Both camps were only capable of putting on artists in their respective camps and city/state.

1) You have no standing on someone disagreeing with me. I could say the same about you

4) T.I. is both game changer and pioneer because the artist you're claiming as a game changer is a result of said pioneer. Jeezy's whole style changed because of T.I.

 

[Yagirlcheatinonus]

I'm not understanding how you saying Master P got it Poppin for the South when you had Outkast and Goodie Mob going gold and platinum before P stepped on the scene. Even in the 80s you had Luke and 2 Live Crew. When Master P and No Limit stepped on the scene he brought to business model he learned from being in the bay. He soaked up that game and brought it back down south and took it mainstream but the reality is you always had rappers and groups from the South and even Cali who was moving units out they trunk and had record stores cuz NY rappers and labels wasn't respecting neither region until they saw the money then they tried to come and sign and get the money. You had movements in the South and Cali that was popping before they even signed deals. We didn't even need the labels we really just needed distribution because acts in the South and Cali was used to do their own work. I mean look at someone like DJ Screw and SUC they legendary from creating their own style and getting love in their region before the mainstream even heard of a chopped and screw record. Dude's in NY and back east won't moving like that. They was shopping their demo begging for a record deal. It was a different business model in the South and Cali.

 

[JustCKing]

I'm not understanding how you saying Master P got it Poppin for the South when you had Outkast and Goodie Mob going gold and platinum before P stepped on the scene. Even in the 80s you had Luke and 2 Live Crew. When Master P and No Limit stepped on the scene he brought to business model he learned from being in the bay. He soaked up that game and brought it back down south and took it mainstream but the reality is you always had rappers and groups from the South and even Cali who was moving units out they trunk and had record stores cuz NY rappers and labels wasn't respecting neither region until they saw the money then they tried to come and sign and get the money. You had movements in the South and Cali that was popping before they even signed deals. We didn't even need the labels we really just needed distribution because acts in the South and Cali was used to do their own work. I mean look at someone like DJ Screw and SUC they legendary from creating their own style and getting love in their region before the mainstream even heard of a chopped and screw record. Dude's in NY and back east won't moving like that. They was shopping their demo begging for a record deal. It was a different business model in the South and Cali.

Thank you.

Master P (No Limit) and Juve (CMR) are pioneers like Kast (Dungeon), Face (Geto Boys) and Luke (2Live Crew), UGK, Ball & G (Suave), Three Six (Hypnotize). They all put their respective cities/states on the map and added to the Southern soundscape. They also helped to open up doors for other Southern artists to breakthrough due to their inflluence.

In terms of The South blowing up as a whole and just dominating the industry, none of the above crews did that. The South didn't become omnipresent to where it was everywhere until 2003.

 

[Wacky D]

I'm not understanding how you saying Master P got it Poppin for the South when you had Outkast and Goodie Mob going gold and platinum before P stepped on the scene. Even in the 80s you had Luke and 2 Live Crew. When Master P and No Limit stepped on the scene he brought to business model he learned from being in the bay. He soaked up that game and brought it back down south and took it mainstream but the reality is you always had rappers and groups from the South and even Cali who was moving units out they trunk and had record stores cuz NY rappers and labels wasn't respecting neither region until they saw the money then they tried to come and sign and get the money. You had movements in the South and Cali that was popping before they even signed deals. We didn't even need the labels we really just needed distribution because acts in the South and Cali was used to do their own work. I mean look at someone like DJ Screw and SUC they legendary from creating their own style and getting love in their region before the mainstream even heard of a chopped and screw record. Dude's in NY and back east won't moving like that. They was shopping their demo begging for a record deal. It was a different business model in the South and Cali.

the same reason why the roots get zero credit for the resurgence of philly hip-hop, even tho they were the ones winning Grammies at the time.
the same way reason there was no west coast resurgence off the back of Kendrick.

dungeon family is alternative rap. they generally didn't draw outside interest to southern hip-hop. nor were they polarizing love/hate artists. they were just a crew that either you listened to or you didn't. they weren't a hot topic or anything of that nature. most of all, the fact that most of their outside fans don't even rock with southern hip-hop, says it all. chit, they couldn't even make Atlanta into a city that heads checked for, so its beyond silly to even bring them up in a discussion regarding blowing up the entire south.

2 live crew & the geto boys were early pioneers that planted the flag.
master p came thru and made the south a factor in the rap game, and made it a relevant coast on the level of the east & west. that's why he gets the credit. it doesn't matter where he got his business model from or none of that other stuff youre talking about breh. LOL.

2 live crew = sugar hill gang
geto boys = furious five
no limit soldiers = run dmc
so are you gonna sit here and say that run dmc didn't make rap music into a viable genre, simply because there were a grip of other groups that blew up before them? cmon son!!

cmon fellas. we shouldn't even be having this discussion in 2017. this used to be understood, before it became history. now people suddenly want to tamper with it. no disrespect, but you guys gotta start thinking outside of the box, especially when dealing with the history. everything isn't A&B. barely anything is actually. words to live by.

You don't have a grasp for what a barrier breaker is. You discredit Kast for brealing down barriers, but are using that very same logic to make P and No Limit out to be barrier breakers. Both camps were only capable of putting on artists in their respective camps and city/state.

4) T.I. is both game changer and pioneer because the artist you're claiming as a game changer is a result of said pioneer. Jeezy's whole style changed because of T.I.

this isnt meant to be a diss, but real talk - youre from the south and never look at the big picture regarding any topics period. that's why you really don't have a grasp as to who really moved the needle for the south. youre even in here citing regional groups like 8ball & mjg as pioneers, which shows that you simply just don't get IT. theres even people from the south in all these threads telling you what it is about no limit, cash money, & young jeezy. but you just keep repeating the same faulty rhetoric.

you keep trying to limit(no pun) master p's reach to just opening up doors for louisianna, when that's not true at all. he opened up doors for the entire south. people who were previously brushing off 3-6 mafia, began checking them out. cats that would've brushed off trick daddy, were checking out his tracks, etc etc. it wasn't limited to just louisianna artists. that's just you insisting on being an A&B thinker.

outkast didn't break any barriers. they have their fans; extremely devoted fans at that. but outside of their base, people generally didn't care about them dudes all like that. I know it hurts, but it is what it is.

this is really rinse & repeat status. its to the point where I just skimmed thru your last couple posts, because I'm tired of going in circles.

as for the jeezy stuff; we gave TIP his just due. but jeezy is the one that blew it out the water, and youre even admitting to this, so why do you insist on arguing still?

 

[JustCKing]

the same reason why the roots get zero credit for the resurgence of philly hip-hop, even tho they were the ones winning Grammies at the time.
the same way reason there was no west coast resurgence off the back of Kendrick.

dungeon family is alternative rap. they generally didn't draw outside interest to southern hip-hop. nor were they polarizing love/hate artists. they were just a crew that either you listened to or you didn't. they weren't a hot topic or anything of that nature. most of all, the fact that most of their outside fans don't even rock with southern hip-hop, says it all. chit, they couldn't even make Atlanta into a city that heads checked for, so its beyond silly to even bring them up in a discussion regarding blowing up the entire south.

2 live crew & the geto boys were early pioneers that planted the flag.
master p came thru and made the south a factor in the rap game, and made it a relevant coast on the level of the east & west. that's why he gets the credit. it doesn't matter where he got his business model from or none of that other stuff youre talking about breh. LOL.

2 live crew = sugar hill gang
geto boys = furious five
no limit soldiers = run dmc
so are you gonna sit here and say that run dmc didn't make rap music into a viable genre, simply because there were a grip of other groups that blew up before them? cmon son!!

cmon fellas. we shouldn't even be having this discussion in 2017. this used to be understood, before it became history. now people suddenly want to tamper with it. no disrespect, but you guys gotta start thinking outside of the box, especially when dealing with the history. everything isn't A&B. barely anything is actually. words to live by.

This is why you aren't meant to be taken serious. You are too biased to ever have credibility to speak on anything. For starters, you're way off base with that Roots comment.

Dungeon Family is Hip Hop. They drew interest outside to Southern Hip Hop. Everybody who does music is either someone you listen to or you don't. The fact that you're saying they weren't a hot topic is more ducktales. Your disdain of them comes from them being a "hot topic", but you don't think they deserve to be.

2 Live Crew didn't exactly blow Florida up, but they are still Southern pioneers.

Geto Boys didn't exactly blow Houston up, but they are still Southern pioneers.

Yet, you're downplaying Kast because Atlanta didn't pop off, but you want to downplay them as pioneers.

No Limit is not no Run DMC in terms of making The South viable. For starters, Run DMC was more than a business model and a commercial success. They had respect and made people want to rap. Contrarily, No Limit never had that type of respect and people weren't investing in Southern acts like that until AFTER Lil' Jon took off. That's when you even saw Jermaine Dupri even getting into investing into Southern acts and he'd been in Atlanta his whole life. David Banner blew up (he was making records when No Limit had it's run, but didn't blow until 2003).

this isnt meant to be a diss, but real talk - youre from the south and never look at the big picture regarding any topics period. that's why you really don't have a grasp as to who really moved the needle for the south. youre even in here citing regional groups like 8ball & mjg as pioneers, which shows that you simply just don't get IT. theres even people from the south in all these threads telling you what it is about no limit, cash money, & young jeezy. but you just keep repeating the same faulty rhetoric.

you keep trying to limit(no pun) master p's reach to just opening up doors for louisianna, when that's not true at all. he opened up doors for the entire south. people who were previously brushing off 3-6 mafia, began checking them out. cats that would've brushed off trick daddy, were checking out his tracks, etc etc. it wasn't limited to just louisianna artists. that's just you insisting on being an A&B thinker.

outkast didn't break any barriers. they have their fans; extremely devoted fans at that. but outside of their base, people generally didn't care about them dudes all like that. I know it hurts, but it is what it is.

this is really rinse & repeat status. its to the point where I just skimmed thru your last couple posts, because I'm tired of going in circles.

as for the jeezy stuff; we gave TIP his just due. but jeezy is the one that blew it out the water, and youre even admitting to this, so why do you insist on arguing still?

I look at the big picture. You're the one that's on the outside looking in. Must be cold. Breh, we're talking about Southern pioneers. You look like a clown saying Eightball & MJG aren't pioneers and then want to talk about No Limit pioneering anything. Master P himself would cringe at some garbage like that. Coming Out Hard and On Top of The World are two of the most important albums in Southern Hip Hop and laid the blueprint for No Limit right down to the Pen & Pixel designs.

You're in here replying to a post that isn't from me that's pretty much reiterating everything I've been saying about The South, and you're telling me "theres even people from the south in all these threads telling you what it is about no limit, cash money, & young jeezy".

I'm not limiting Master P to anything. I'm just not one to rewrite history. None of you produced any evidence of him being directly responsible for blowing up artists that weren't from Lousiana. The dumb part of the post is you're in a thread saying 3-6 Mafia only got on because they dissed Bone. Trick Daddy blowing up had nothing to do with P either.

Keep thinking OutKast didn't break any barriers. If Kast just had a dedicated fan base, you wouldn't waste time arguing that they aren't GOAT contenders. You know that they broke barriers and the fact that Kast is viewed in a greater light than No Limit hurts your feelings. That's why you have an entire thread dedicated to them and you throw shade at them every chance you get.

You didn't give T.I. his just due. T.I. created a sub-genre and a lane for Jeezy. I insist on arguing it because you want to insist that T.I. simply popularized a term. We aren't in agreement.

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

Ludacris had great command on the mic but his punchlines were usually super wack and he wasn't an album artists

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

Gangsta and Telly was not the killers behind cash money fam. They have way more ruthless killers that go un named behind the cameras that's lurking wit him today. Bird became a millionaire in the streets of New Orleans where being somebody brother means nothing fam. The hardest nikkaz get smoked here everyday. So u think they care about a nikka brother. Gangsta was a youngin by the time bird had major money in the streets. And they from 2 different hoods, they brother but they not brothers like slim and baby are. Gangsta was doing his thing in the magnolia and bird was mainly doing his thing in the 13 to the magnolia.

Claim a nikka who clearly not paying u shyt looks up to u. Fam a New Orleans nikka don't look up to no other southern so called bosses. U know why? Cause they not raised like us, they looked on as soft country nikkaz who can be finessed. fukk ask called southern boss, I bet slim or baby or P would never do no hoe shyt like praising jay prince like a deity.

Think about this, when Katrina happen and New Orleans nikkaz spread out across the south they didn't care about nobody territory, they went straight into attack mode on some give me that shyt

Had Houston and ATL terrified, u can amplify that to birdman mindstate. He not gonna give a fukk what no country ass nikka say about him or even fear him be a god but have to go on record and beg for your money multiple times and still not get it.

So Freddie Foxxx pressing Bird years ago in NYC never happened?

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

I agree with everything you said...., especially about Lil Jon being the dominant force of the South in the early 2000s...except TI didnt really set the culture/tone for trap music. Jeezy did.

With TI, it was apparent that he was striving to be a REAL rapper and not just a street guy turned rapper. "Trap Muzik" featured at the time, diverse production and song topics which was all indications that TI wasn't trying to be boxed in.

Jeezy however with his slow delivery, adlibs, strong grassroots movement, connection to BMF, sticking with a main producer (shawty redd) and not a lot of deviation in his subject matter......The streets and by proxy the d-boys/trappers LOVED Jeezy in a way that they never loved TIP and thats why I feel it was Jeezy who really brought the trap scene into prominence (at least as we know it).

TL; DR version: TI may have a given a name to it, but jeezy gave a FEEL to it, if that makes any sense.

In some ways I feel that TIs popularity and aspirations hurt him because the streets typically aren't receptive to experimentation/progression in music. Hence why Gucci pre long term prison bid essentially made the same fukkin music over and over again and was still popular. I feel that TIP doesnt have the same loyal fan base as Jeezy which is a shame because I feel that TIP made more quality music at his peak than Jeezy did.

I said it before and I'll say it again...NYC embraced Jeezy in a way that had never been done for a southern artist up to that point. Cars, project windows, clubs you name it...Snowman shirts weren't uncommon to see either...Before that it was only the biggest songs that nikkax were in tune with (bling bling, bout it bout it, how ya do that there, down 4 my nikkax etc). Jeezy changed that

 

[CashmereThoughts]

after he destroyed flip and after that luda diss didnt hurt him yeah TIP was on TOP for a min

 

[Wacky D]

This is why you aren't meant to be taken serious. You are too biased to ever have credibility to speak on anything. For starters, you're way off base with that Roots comment.

Dungeon Family is Hip Hop. They drew interest outside to Southern Hip Hop. Everybody who does music is either someone you listen to or you don't. The fact that you're saying they weren't a hot topic is more ducktales. Your disdain of them comes from them being a "hot topic", but you don't think they deserve to be.

2 Live Crew didn't exactly blow Florida up, but they are still Southern pioneers.

Geto Boys didn't exactly blow Houston up, but they are still Southern pioneers.

Yet, you're downplaying Kast because Atlanta didn't pop off, but you want to downplay them as pioneers.

No Limit is not no Run DMC in terms of making The South viable. For starters, Run DMC was more than a business model and a commercial success. They had respect and made people want to rap. Contrarily, No Limit never had that type of respect and people weren't investing in Southern acts like that until AFTER Lil' Jon took off. That's when you even saw Jermaine Dupri even getting into investing into Southern acts and he'd been in Atlanta his whole life. David Banner blew up (he was making records when No Limit had it's run, but didn't blow until 2003).



I look at the big picture. You're the one that's on the outside looking in. Must be cold. Breh, we're talking about Southern pioneers. You look like a clown saying Eightball & MJG aren't pioneers and then want to talk about No Limit pioneering anything. Master P himself would cringe at some garbage like that. Coming Out Hard and On Top of The World are two of the most important albums in Southern Hip Hop and laid the blueprint for No Limit right down to the Pen & Pixel designs.

You're in here replying to a post that isn't from me that's pretty much reiterating everything I've been saying about The South, and you're telling me "theres even people from the south in all these threads telling you what it is about no limit, cash money, & young jeezy".

I'm not limiting Master P to anything. I'm just not one to rewrite history. None of you produced any evidence of him being directly responsible for blowing up artists that weren't from Lousiana. The dumb part of the post is you're in a thread saying 3-6 Mafia only got on because they dissed Bone. Trick Daddy blowing up had nothing to do with P either.

Keep thinking OutKast didn't break any barriers. If Kast just had a dedicated fan base, you wouldn't waste time arguing that they aren't GOAT contenders. You know that they broke barriers and the fact that Kast is viewed in a greater light than No Limit hurts your feelings. That's why you have an entire thread dedicated to them and you throw shade at them every chance you get.

You didn't give T.I. his just due. T.I. created a sub-genre and a lane for Jeezy. I insist on arguing it because you want to insist that T.I. simply popularized a term. We aren't in agreement.

what bias?

this is the 2nd time you said I was off-base with the roots comment, and neither time did you elaborate.

I never said dungeon family wasn't hip-hop.

8ball & mjg are pioneers of what exactly?

2 live & geto boys blew Miami & Houston enough for that time period, and opened up lanes for spinoff acts.
there were already numerous multi-platinum rap acts out of Atlanta before outkast.

well there are people from the south that are constantly saying the same thing. youre just happy you finally got somebody to cosign you, and now youre trying to coach him into doing a double-team. that doesn't make you right tho. lol.

I already gave you examples. lol. what more evidence do you need? BE SMART SON. it sounds like you just want the TV to come out and tell you. lol. catch up.

youre combining two completely different statements about 3-6 mafia. getting on, and getting play outside of your target base are 2 completely things that occurred years apart for that group. I stand by both of my comments. you just need to take a reading class.

what barriers did outkast break?
the people that I argue about outkast with on here are indeed their dedicated fanbase and only them. youre proving my point, smart guy.

youre going in circles with the TIP/jeezy stuff, even after we were already in agreement about it.
like people usually say before they stop replying to you - "you just want to argue for the sake of arguing".

 

[JustCKing]

what bias?

this is the 2nd time you said I was off-base with the roots comment, and neither time did you elaborate.

I never said dungeon family wasn't hip-hop.

8ball & mjg are pioneers of what exactly?

2 live & geto boys blew Miami & Houston enough for that time period, and opened up lanes for spinoff acts.
there were already numerous multi-platinum rap acts out of Atlanta before outkast.

well there are people from the south that are constantly saying the same thing. youre just happy you finally got somebody to cosign you, and now youre trying to coach him into doing a double-team. that doesn't make you right tho. lol.

I already gave you examples. lol. what more evidence do you need? BE SMART SON.

youre combining two completely different statements about 3-6 mafia. getting on, and getting play outside of your target base are 2 completely things that occurred years apart for that group. I stand by both of my comments. you just need to take a reading class.

what barriers did outkast break?
the people that I argue about outkast with on here are indeed their dedicated fanbase and only them. youre proving my point, smart guy.

youre going in circles with the TIP/jeezy stuff, even after we were already in agreement about it.
like people usually say before they stop replying to you - "you just want to argue for the sake of arguing".

You lack objectivity and are dismissive of anything that you weren't personally feeling.

Breh, ask Beanie Sigel and Eve what The Roots did for the resurgence of Philly rap.

Don't play stupid. You're trying to downplay Dungeon Family by labeling them Alternative Rap to dissociate them from Southern Rap.

You're really asking what Eightball & MJG are pioneers of. These guys paved the way for Master P. They were selling copies independently without a distributor like Priority. Coming Out Hard pioneered a lot of what's being discussed in this thread in regard to Southern Hip Hop.

And see this is why you're biased. You're saying that 2 Live Crew and Geto Boys blew up their respective areas enough for their time period, but aren't extending the same credit to Kast. That's in spite of Goodie Mob. Jermaine Dupri was responsible for Kriss Kross and even he says nobody took Atlanta serious as a Hip Hop city when Kriss Kross came out. Your other act is a one album wonder in Arrested Development, which is an act you wouldn't even know was from Atlanta just from listening to the music.

Breh, unlike you I don't need co-signers. I'm not trying to coach him into doing anything. Just so you know, on the same token, anyone co-signing you doesn't make you right either.

Neither of your examples proved that Trick Daddy and Three Six Mafia were getting airplay as a direct result of No Limit.

OutKast broke barriers in terms of where artists could take Hip Hop conceptually and creatively. They are also pioneers of Southern Hip Hop.

I'm not going in circles with T.I./Jeezy stuff. I don't argue for the sake of arguing. Like people say before they stop replying to you "you got exposed".

 

[Ineedmoney504]

So Freddie Foxxx pressing Bird years ago in NYC never happened?

He pressed him and he told him he still wasn't gonna give her the money in front of Freddy who had a gun to his head. He didn't seen shook

 

[Wacky D]

You lack objectivity and are dismissive of anything that you weren't personally feeling.

Breh, ask Beanie Sigel and Eve what The Roots did for the resurgence of Philly rap.

Don't play stupid. You're trying to downplay Dungeon Family by labeling them Alternative Rap to dissociate them from Southern Rap.

You're really asking what Eightball & MJG are pioneers of. These guys paved the way for Master P. They were selling copies independently without a distributor like Priority. Coming Out Hard pioneered a lot of what's being discussed in this thread in regard to Southern Hip Hop.

And see this is why you're biased. You're saying that 2 Live Crew and Geto Boys blew up their respective areas enough for their time period, but aren't extending the same credit to Kast. That's in spite of Goodie Mob. Jermaine Dupri was responsible for Kriss Kross and even he says nobody took Atlanta serious as a Hip Hop city when Kriss Kross came out. Your other act is a one album wonder in Arrested Development, which is an act you wouldn't even know was from Atlanta just from listening to the music.

Breh, unlike you I don't need co-signers. I'm not trying to coach him into doing anything. Just so you know, on the same token, anyone co-signing you doesn't make you right either.

Neither of your examples proved that Trick Daddy and Three Six Mafia were getting airplay as a direct result of No Limit.

OutKast broke barriers in terms of where artists could take Hip Hop conceptually and creatively. They are also pioneers of Southern Hip Hop.

I'm not going in circles with T.I./Jeezy stuff. I don't argue for the sake of arguing. Like people say before they stop replying to you "you got exposed".

lol @ the bolded.

I'm not dismissive about anything. and I don't see how I lack objectivity. I'm just saying stuff that you don't want to hear. truth hurts.

ask beanie siegal about the roots?? LOL. go listen to his taxstone interview about how negatively outsiders perceived philly rap in the mid-late '90s, because of the roots.......and for the record, beans isn't dissing them. black thought was his 1st rap partner. its just real talk. I don't think you understand the bottom line of what we're arguing here. QUESTLOVE HIMSELF WOULD AGREE WITH ME.

I'm not downplaying dungeon family. they'll tell you themselves that theyre alternative rap. lol. didn't somebody in the other thread tell you to watch organized noize's interview on vladtv for this very reason?

you don't seem to understand. I'm asking you what ground did 8ball & mjg break? theyre southern legends and have influenced the southern rap scene, but none of that has jack chit to do with what we're talking about. again, more proof that you just don't get IT.

I never said people took Atlanta seriously because of those acts. nobody really took Atlanta seriously because of outkast either, so whats your point?

you were just in here bragging about your cosigner. now your claiming you don't need him.

AGAIN...YOURE FROM THE SOUTH. ALL THAT CHIT GOT PLAY DOWN THERE. YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHO MOVED THE NEEDLE FOR THE REGION. people from outside of the south and people who are from the south but are aware of whats going on outside of it, know that the needle was moved via master p.

lol. youre actually in here referencing those idiots in that thread, who were mad because I don't give a f*ck about magazines? yea I really got "exposed" breh. some of you dudes are just geeks.

 

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lol @ the bolded.

I'm not dismissive about anything.

ask beanie siegal about the roots?? LOL. go listen to his taxstone interview about how outsiders perceived philly rap in the mid-late '90s, thanks to the roots.......and beans isn't dissing them, its just real talk. I don't think you understand the bottom line of what we're arguing here.

I'm not downplaying dungeon family. they'll tell you themselves that theyre alternative rap. lol.

you don't seem to understand. I'm asking you what ground did 8ball & mjg break? theyre southern legends and have influenced the southern rap scene, but none of that has jack chit to do with what we're talking about. again, more proof that you just don't get IT.

I never said people took Atlanta seriously because of those acts. nobody really took Atlanta seriously because of outkast either, so whats your point?

you were just in here bragging about your cosigner. now your claiming you don't need him.

AGAIN...YOURE FROM THE SOUTH. ALL THAT CHIT GOT PLAY DOWN THERE. YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHO MOVED THE NEEDLE FOR THE REGION. people from outside of the south and people who are from the south but are aware of whats going on outside of it, know that the needle was moved via master p.

lol. youre actually in here referencing those idiots in that thread, who were mad because I don't give a f*ck about magazines? yea I really got "exposed" breh. some of you dudes are just geeks.

You are ALWAYS dismissive of everything you don't personally like.

Post the Beans interview

Breh, alternative rap doesn't change the fact that they're Southern pioneers.

Eightball & MJG put Memphis on the map and laid the foundation for styles like crunk and trap.

OutKast made people look at Atlanta as a viable Hip Hop city. Did they make Atlanta dominant? No.

I wasn't bragging. You pointed out that there were people disagreeing with. What's funny is that those that were disagreeing with me were arguing that Kast pioneered trap music. Not only that, they went as far as to saying they made it mainstream. I simply pointed out that you were in here arguing with a post that agreed with me.

We are talking about The South as a region are we not? This would be like someone from Florida going into a thread on the "King Of NY" talking about how Biggie, Jay, or Nas was perceived outside of NY and looking foolish because it wasn't even the point or premise of the discussion. Said poster from Florida would have no credibility on the subject whatsoever because they are an outsider who really doesn't have any standing in such a discussion. You're not qualified to speak on who moved the needle for The South. For one, you're biased. Two, you've proven you don't know what you're talking about because you seem to think No Limit blew up the entire South. You're still in here trying to paint Eightball & MJG as regional when artists as diverse as Mase, Foxy Brown, Mobb Deep, Too Short, Krayzie Bone, and artists outside of Hip Hop such as Brian McKnight and Limp Bizkit were calling on them for remixes. That means, to some degree, they made noise outside of their respective region to where people were on their music.

What ground did Eightball & MJG break? They were selling hundreds of thousands of copies without a major distributor, which was unheard of at the time that they did it. They pioneered some of the styles that later became popular i.e. crunk and trap.

Those "idiots" as you call them, had a valid point. You purport yourself as a Hip Hop head and a historian, but were dismissive of The Source. No one is saying their word was the end-all, be all, but it was respected and held in high regard by Hip Hop heads.