Thomas Sowell discusses his newest book, Intellectuals and Race

[Serious]

Yeah, that is the black conservative thesis,

I agree for the most part but for my personal views I would put it in a more libertarian way and say welfare while necessary to a certain degree doesn't promote individual and economic freedom

Well yeah that's a given, I also believe that theoretically the concept of welfare is a good temporary solution which allows people to maintain some sort of lifestyle without losing their sanity and hitting total rock bottom.

But the problem now is that society is starting to see certain fragments of the population grow somewhat content, and even generational poverty in certain extreme cases, which can only be attributed back to the set of morals, principles, parenting or "culture" an individual grew up in...

My only beef in regards to heavily promoting economic freedom, is that the social stigma shouldn't be undermined as well. There were numerous attempt of blacks in past trying form cities, businesses, towns, enterprises etc, without the presence of white people, yet many of them were burned down or lynched.

With that said, this why I think there is a great need for social intervention(diversity)..

Hypothetically if people were to somewhere "get their act" together, living in homogenous communities, circulating our money through and through us, our people are graduating high school, college, and professional and in demand degree programs on time; what's to the stop the angry W.A.S.P. from trying to develop some scheme to mess up our utopia...

 

[TNC]

How about this, why doesnt some one explain what is inherently great about diversity? and why nation lacking diversity have managed to thrive?

The strongest and greatest nation in the world, the USA, is one of the most diverse countries in the world. Any of those other diversity lacking nations remain inferior to us. I don't think it's accurate to admire their patio when the rest of their yard is a mess...

 

[DEAD7]

The strongest and greatest nation in the world, the USA, is one of the most diverse countries in the world. Any of those other diversity lacking nations remain inferior to us. I don't think it's accurate to admire their patio when the rest of their yard is a mess...

 

[TNC]

We wouldn't have gotten this way if it wasn't for diversity. Look at all the collapsed cultures in the past and notice one of the main common traits they had was lack of diversity through out the levels, classes and cultures. Not sure about y'all in this thread but I'M not into taking Ls.

Diversity, because you need balance in the Force

 

[theworldismine13]

Well yeah that's a given, I also believe that theoretically the concept of welfare is a good temporary solution which allows people to maintain some sort of lifestyle without losing their sanity and hitting total rock bottom.

But the problem now is that society is starting to see certain fragments of the population grow somewhat content, and even generational poverty in certain extreme cases, which can only be attributed back to the set of morals, principles, parenting or "culture" an individual grew up in...

My only beef in regards to heavily promoting economic freedom, is that the social stigma shouldn't be undermined as well. There were numerous attempt of blacks in past trying form cities, businesses, towns, enterprises etc, without the presence of white people, yet many of them were burned down or lynched.

With that said, this why I think there is a great need for social intervention(diversity)..

Hypothetically if people were to somewhere "get their act" together, living in homogenous communities, circulating our money through and through us, our people are graduating high school, college, and professional and in demand degree programs on time; what's to the stop the angry W.A.S.P. from trying to develop some scheme to mess up our utopia...

Well yeah that is why I say individual freedom, I don't just say economic freedom, at the end of the day a gun and ability to retaliate is what protects you, but before we get to that it is important to establish legal protections throughout the courts and government, and that is where the battle is currently

We have black cities and towns today, what are we doing with those black cities and towns? One of the biggest ones is bankrupt, and one that is somewhat successful is Atlanta which is in one of the most racist states in the country, so if racism is what controls everything why is Atlanta not bankrupt? I would assert its because Atlanta is more focused on education and capitalism than Detroit, it has nothing to with the level of racism of white people

 

[theworldismine13]

We wouldn't have gotten this way if it wasn't for diversity. Look at all the collapsed cultures in the past and notice one of the main common traits they had was lack of diversity through out the levels, classes and cultures. Not sure about y'all in this thread but I'M not into taking Ls.

Diversity, because you need balance in the Force

America is not culturally diverse, America for the most part has a uniform culture and uniform language, what' special about America is that it has integrated different people into one culture, but diversity by itself is a bad thing, it can be turned into a good thing if you integrate the population into one culture and one language

 

[DEAD7]

One of the biggest ones is bankrupt, and one that is somewhat successful is Atlanta which is in one of the most racist states in the country, so if racism is what controls everything why is Atlanta not bankrupt? I would assert its because Atlanta is more focused on education and capitalism than Detroit, it has nothing to with the level of racism of white people

 

[TNC]

America is not culturally diverse, America for the most part has a uniform culture and uniform language, what' special about America is that it has integrated different people into one culture, but diversity by itself is a bad thing, it can be turned into a good thing if you integrate the population into one culture and one language

I think you are misunderstanding my point...

America had a lot of diversity working together here, not just wild untamed diversity that segregates or persecutes certain groups. It's still diversity, but that difference is key

 

[NvrCMyNut]

Dat conservative logic

 

[theworldismine13]

I think you are misunderstanding my point...

America had a lot of diversity working together here, not just wild untamed diversity that segregates or persecutes certain groups. It's still diversity, but that difference is key

i understand, im just saying its only a strength based on the fact that all the different people in america (for the most part) speak english eat at mcdonalds and watch the superbowl , but if people dont speak speak the same language, dont eat at the same place and watch different sports etc that diversity turns into a liability real quick because there is no evidence that diversity by itself is a strength

 

[bouncy]

Sohh basically if I'm getting this hypothesis right; the state essentially fostered a sense of dependance amongst numerous vulnerable black families by incentivizing a program where having children became would become an "easy" mean to the an ends. Simply because it covered the necessities of housing and food. Welfare essentially deincentivized people from seeking more prominent avenues of success and financial freedom.

Yeah but more importantly it broke the family up. In order to get welfar you could not have a man in the house. They would even check to make sure. Add to the take away of jobs from the inner city, then flooding the community with heroin and alcohol stores, it was the perfect plan. I was watching Gil Scot herons unsung and they said they counted 13 liquor stores in one area. I know for a fact when too many stores like that opens up in white neighborhoods before it even open up, the little complaining prevents it from having a grand opening. That era is why you have women who say they are strong and independent. Meaning independent of you not the government. As time went on even more programs are made to nkt even have the mother home for the kids and now they are losing a sense of seeing their mother be a mother. Talk to older people who seen the change and they will tell how slick it was.

These programs are based on the idea that black/latin are not capable of doing things themselves so they are in a sense our babysitters. The problem is they cater to womens emotions and this is dangerous since constantly giving incentives to a women for not having family or help causes her to not take responsibilty for her actions which means she will see nothing wrong with raisinf a child in a single parent home or not even raising the child for most of the day since she will be working and the child in daycare. You know how many chicks have kids without much worry since they know the government will help them even though their family disapproves?. At one time in the black communitu if you had a baby out of wedlock you was shamed, someone in youe family adopts the child, or they send you off and you give the child up for adoption. This idea that single parents started in slavery is some bullshyt. It started in the sixties. Even the cultjre of disliking education started then. Now this way of life is startinf to hit white women so it is really raising concern but I think its too late, women like the idea of doing what they want and having government programs to assist them.

In other words as a man she has no reason to be worried if she is bored and wants to leave you and take the baby. Back in the day women stayed in marriage or relationships more because that help would not be there or it was just enough to eat and live. Staying with your partner was logical.

 

[Black smoke and cac jokes]

The strongest and greatest nation in the world, the USA, is one of the most diverse countries in the world. Any of those other diversity lacking nations remain inferior to us. I don't think it's accurate to admire their patio when the rest of their yard is a mess...

This is exactly why the US is declining in every possible way

 

[ghostwriterx]

Yeah but more importantly it broke the family up. In order to get welfar you could not have a man in the house. They would even check to make sure. Add to the take away of jobs from the inner city, then flooding the community with heroin and alcohol stores, it was the perfect plan. I was watching Gil Scot herons unsung and they said they counted 13 liquor stores in one area. I know for a fact when too many stores like that opens up in white neighborhoods before it even open up, the little complaining prevents it from having a grand opening. That era is why you have women who say they are strong and independent. Meaning independent of you not the government. As time went on even more programs are made to nkt even have the mother home for the kids and now they are losing a sense of seeing their mother be a mother. Talk to older people who seen the change and they will tell how slick it was.

These programs are based on the idea that black/latin are not capable of doing things themselves so they are in a sense our babysitters. The problem is they cater to womens emotions and this is dangerous since constantly giving incentives to a women for not having family or help causes her to not take responsibilty for her actions which means she will see nothing wrong with raisinf a child in a single parent home or not even raising the child for most of the day since she will be working and the child in daycare. You know how many chicks have kids without much worry since they know the government will help them even though their family disapproves?. At one time in the black communitu if you had a baby out of wedlock you was shamed, someone in youe family adopts the child, or they send you off and you give the child up for adoption. This idea that single parents started in slavery is some bullshyt. It started in the sixties. Even the cultjre of disliking education started then. Now this way of life is startinf to hit white women so it is really raising concern but I think its too late, women like the idea of doing what they want and having government programs to assist them.

In other words as a man she has no reason to be worried if she is bored and wants to leave you and take the baby. Back in the day women stayed in marriage or relationships more because that help would not be there or it was just enough to eat and live. Staying with your partner was logical.

Women are having less kids now then ever before. Teen pregnancy rates are at a historic low. In other words

 

[DEAD7]

Women are having less kids now then ever before. Teen pregnancy rates are at a historic low. In other words

Lets not praise our sh*tty numbers, the U.S. teen birth rate is much higher than that of many other developed countries, including Canada and the United Kingdom. Its getting better but isnt anywhere near "good".

 

[ghostwriterx]

Lets not praise our sh*tty numbers, the U.S. teen birth rate is much higher than that of many other developed countries, including Canada and the United Kingdom. Its getting better but isnt anywhere near "good".

Again that's mostly due to the fact that women are having LESS children then ever. Teen pregnancy rate and births have dramatically declined over the last 25 years... somehow I don't think you'll "blame" welfare for that.