Thomas Sowell discusses his newest book, Intellectuals and Race

[DEAD7]

How about this, why doesnt some one explain what is inherently great about diversity? and why nation lacking diversity have managed to thrive?

 

[theworldismine13]

just for the record, im not a conservative, i dont have a problem with government programs per se, some government programs are good, a lot are bad and useless but i just have a problem with the notion that government is the key to black progress and i take serious issue with the notion that white liberalism with its arrogance and inherent white supremacy is the key to black progress

the key to black progress is the same key for everyone, its individual freedom and economic freedom, its capitalism and a culture of education

 

[Black smoke and cac jokes]

How so?

For starters, linking hip hop to the demise of black intellect just shows his misguided belief in black people's dependence on cultural gratifications. Since when has hip hop solely defined us as people and hindered anyone from performing well in school or anywhere else? I do believe it has its' influence but his rhetoric hints at hip hop being the sole cause of black people not progressing in society. Also, he continuously dismiss the underlying issues of the disproportionate rate of black people in jail but continues to use the fact as proof of his arguments. Have you ever heard him talk of the unfair treatment in all these institutions he seems to hold in such low regard?

Also, to completely dismiss the federal government's input in race relations and continue the notion that the government should have no involvement in social issues is ludicrous. This just shows that he's just another "boot strap" intellectual thinking everyone could make it because he did.

whats wrong with rolling back welfare, is welfare part of some black economic plan?

It's a support system, what would you have the millions depended on it do in the short-term?

 

[theworldismine13]

For starters, linking hip hop to the demise of black intellect just shows his misguided belief in black people's dependence on cultural gratifications. Since when has hip hop solely defined us as people and hindered anyone from performing well in school or anywhere else? I do believe it has its' influence but his rhetoric hints at hip hop being the sole cause of black people not progressing in society. Also, he continuously dismiss the underlying issues of the disproportionate rate of black people in jail but continues to use the fact as proof of his arguments. Have you ever heard him talk of the unfair treatment in all these institutions he seems to hold in such low regard?

Also, to completely dismiss the federal government's input in race relations and continue the notion that the government should have no involvement in social issues is ludicrous. This just shows that he's just another "boot strap" intellectual thinking everyone could make it because he did.



It's a support system, what would you have the millions depended on it do in the short-term?

he barely mentioned hip hop, so i dont even know where you are getting that stuff from, he mentioned gangsta rap and i would agree that gangsta rap has had a bad influence on hip hop and in black culture, and black people identifying too strongly with elements of rap have hindered black people, i do agree its bigger than hip hop, but if hip hop is not helping people do better in school then its useless

the government's role is to protect and promote individual freedom and economic freedom, thats about it

i would need more details about what rolling back means and rolling back and cutting off are different things and there many different types of welfare, like i said im not a conservative so im not against welfare per se but overall i dont consider welfare to be part of any black economic plan and people that treat welfare as an economic plan are misleading black people, in the short term and long term people need to depend on capitalism and education

 

[Serious]

the point he is making about out of wedlock births is that its a recent phenomena, its not something that is linked to slavery

How about this, why doesnt some one explain what is inherently great about diversity?

I get to smash chicks from a variety backgrounds(no self hate)

 

[Micky Mikey]

I'm liking this Thomas Sowell. There are a lot of books by him at my school library. Will take the time to read some of his material.

 

[Black smoke and cac jokes]

he barely mentioned hip hop, so i dont even know where you are getting that stuff from, he mentioned gangsta rap and i would agree that gangsta rap has had a bad influence on hip hop and in black culture, and black people identifying too strongly with elements of rap have hindered black people, i do agree its bigger than hip hop, but if hip hop is not helping people do better in school then its useless

the government's role is to protect and promote individual freedom and economic freedom, thats about it

i would need more details about what rolling back means and rolling back and cutting off are different things and there many different types of welfare, like i said im not a conservative so im not against welfare per se but overall i dont consider welfare to be part of any black economic plan and people that treat welfare as an economic plan are misleading black people, in the short term and long term people need to depend on capitalism and education

I honestly don't care about your opinion on hip hop or education since already know your stance on both and they're to me.

DEAD asked me why I felt that he was wrong on race and culture so I responded based on every article/book/video I have seen on him and he mentions hip hop a lot in all of those outlets.

 

[theworldismine13]

I get to smash chicks from a variety backgrounds(no self hate)

im saying, if it was linked to slavery then right after slavery then the out of wedlock births would have been high, they werent

but im just clarifying the point, im not really agreeing that the world will end with out of wedlock births, that might be just be the new normal that the country and black people have to adapt to

 

[Serious]

im saying, if it was linked to slavery then right after slavery then the out of wedlock births would have been high, they werent

Is there any specific time reference when the out of wedlock births rose exponentially?

but im just clarifying the point, im not really agreeing that the world will end with out of wedlock births, that might be just be the new normal that the country and black people have to adapt to

Guess so, seems like less and less people are getting married, but instead getting into long term relationships..and most babies tend to enter this world be "accident"....

 

[theworldismine13]

Is there any specific time reference when the out of wedlock births rose exponentially?


Guess so, seems like less and less people are getting married, but instead getting into long term relationships..and most babies tend to enter this world be "accident"....

yeah it coincided with the expansion of welfare programs, that is what he was getting at, it is peculiar that the out of wedlock birth rate was lower after slavery...

but again, im not a conservative, that isnt a point im pushing, im just clarifying, its possible that there are other reasons for the increase

my beef with welfare is just that its not a real black economic plan so why are black people in the front lines trying to defend it and acting like the world is going to end every time some cut or change is proposed

 

[Micky Mikey]

Is there any specific time reference when the out of wedlock births rose exponentially?


Guess so, seems like less and less people are getting married, but instead getting into long term relationships..and most babies tend to enter this world be "accident"....

Two things I think you should read; Moynihan Report of 1965 and The Black Family in Slavery and Freedom by Herbert Gutman.The notion of black families being broken from slavery has been disproved time and time again. It is a relatively new phenomenon.

 

[Serious]

yeah it coincided with the expansion of welfare programs, that is what he was getting at, it is peculiar that the out of wedlock birth rate was lower after slavery...

Sohh basically if I'm getting this hypothesis right; the state essentially fostered a sense of dependance amongst numerous vulnerable black families by incentivizing a program where having children became would become an "easy" mean to the an ends. Simply because it covered the necessities of housing and food. Welfare essentially deincentivized people from seeking more prominent avenues of success and financial freedom.

 

[DEAD7]

Sohh basically if I'm getting this hypothesis right, the state essentially fostered a sense of dependance amongst black families, where having children became an "easy" mean to the an ends, because it least they'd have housing and food covered. Welfare essentially deincentivized from seeking more prominent avenues of success and financial freedom.

 

[Serious]

I wasn't done editing yet...

 

[theworldismine13]

Sohh basically if I'm getting this hypothesis right; the state essentially fostered a sense of dependance amongst numerous vulnerable black families by incentivizing a program where having children became would become an "easy" mean to the an ends. Simply because it covered the necessities of housing and food. Welfare essentially deincentivized people from seeking more prominent avenues of success and financial freedom.

Yeah, that is the black conservative thesis,

I agree for the most part but for my personal views I would put it in a more libertarian way and say welfare while necessary to a certain degree doesn't promote individual and economic freedom