There are only 4 father figures in hiphop. HipHops maturity level is that of a 17 y/o

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I'm all for more maturity and seriousness in hip-hop, but "father figures"? :what:



I was watching an old episode of In Living Color where this Black man and Black woman are on a date and the woman says to the man that she likes Hip Hop because of its "political message"....This was in the year 1990 and it made sense that she would say that. You cant say that in 2013. To see Hip Hop in the late 80's go from the biggest Black power movement since the 60's to a Minstral Show in 2013 one cant deny truth and I have to call a spade a spade....Thats all I'm doing.





YAWN. :sadbron:

Get real, better, influential role models. Its not my problem that you can't see through the facade.

I dont see you getting mad at movie stars for their imagery either.

Do a better job of raising your kids and you won't have to worry about the world raising them for you.

I'm tired of having to be reminded of individual deficiencies in raising your own but blaming the world on failing you.

The world doesn't owe you shyt.

My parents and community raised me to not put stock into entertainers beyond being mere entertainment...if you weren't fortunate enough, thats not my problem.

Its one thing to ask for people to do better, but to expect the very artists who embrace free speech in making their content to cater to you (the opposite of free speech/expression) is very naive and borderline arrogant.

It starts at home.

Whats worse is that you think the OP had any point at all.

If you're gullible enough to be led around by a rappers image, persona, and message then whatever that rapper does is the LEAST of your problems.

You've already lost as far as I'm concerned
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Its funny that u say that cuz the gullible are many. Didnt Pac say that Whodini had him puffing buddha?? Didnt Fab say he got rid of his X5 because Hov said they werent cool? Didnt Saigon say he was influenced by Mobb Deep and Onyx to be on some hardcore street sh*t as a kid? Didnt Gangster Nip stress that he was influenced by Ice T? Didnt Game tatoo Eazy E on his arm and tell Eazy to his face that he wanted to be just like him?
 
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Ross is almost 40 but he has young swag and it's convincing. nikka knows how to adapt. If you didn't know his age, you'd think he was on his 20s. Ross is a consummate artist.
 

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Ross is almost 40 but he has young swag and it's convincing. nikka knows how to adapt. If you didn't know his age, you'd think he was on his 20s. Ross is a consummate artist.


so u are co signing a near 40 year old Black man walking around with his ass crack showing like a teen as if there's nothing wrong with that??

If so then where does the line get drawn?? Soon anything will be ok.....From Wearing pink to rocking two earings to rappers wearing dresses......Soon sucking a cock will be consdiered "swag" as well.
 

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father figure

chuck d? yes

russell? no

krs? yes

rev run? no

nas? yes

kane? no

rakim? yes

dr dre? no

ice cube? yes

LL? no

common? yes

jayz? no


i have no idea why you mentioned jeezy, ross, wayne or anybody else along those lines.

were talking father figures and you mentioned babies, teens and young adults.
 

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so u are co signing a near 40 year old Black man walking around with his ass crack showing like a teen as if there's nothing wrong with that??

If so then where does the line get drawn?? Soon anything will be ok.....From Wearing pink to rocking two earings to rappers wearing dresses......Soon sucking a cock will be consdiered "swag" as well.

Yawn.

I'm not co-signing shyt...because I don't behave that way.

You seem to be more convinced that you dont have your own identity thats why what another rapper does bothers you so much.

Take some responsibility for yourself and rapper mentalities and appearances won't affect you.

Personal accountability seems to be a foreign concept to a lot of you all. :ufdup:

Its funny how the nikka talking about being worried about sucking cock SWEARS he ain't gay.

You know why I support gay rights? Because I know that shyt doesn't bother me. If you can be CONVINCED to suck a dikk, then you're telling on yourself. :umad:
 

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Ross is almost 40 but he has young swag and it's convincing. nikka knows how to adapt. If you didn't know his age, you'd think he was on his 20s. Ross is a consummate artist.

I like Ross and all, but ...

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Yawn.

I'm not co-signing shyt...because I don't behave that way.

You seem to be more convinced that you dont have your own identity thats why what another rapper does bothers you so much.

Take some responsibility for yourself and rapper mentalities and appearances won't affect you.

Personal accountability seems to be a foreign concept to a lot of you all. :ufdup:

Its funny how the nikka talking about being worried about sucking cock SWEARS he ain't gay.

You know why I support gay rights? Because I know that shyt doesn't bother me. If you can be CONVINCED to suck a dikk, then you're telling on yourself. :umad:




LOL @ how this is your second response that begins with the words "yawn." In a thread about maturity your acting real immature. If you sleepy go take a nap





chuck d? yes

russell? no

krs? yes

rev run? no

nas? yes

kane? no

rakim? yes

dr dre? no

ice cube? yes

LL? no

common? yes

jayz? no


i have no idea why you mentioned jeezy, ross, wayne or anybody else along those lines.

were talking father figures and you mentioned babies, teens and young adults.

I still say Russel and I already explained why.

Rakims influential reach is poetic.....Hes to much a mystery to be considered a father figure. Rakim is like that well respected uncle that was the sh*t back in the days when I was a kid but now that i
i've grown up I dont know what the fuk he's doing now.



Nas has some ways to go......I honestly thoght he was gonna lead some revolution when he sh*tted on Sumer Jam and hopped to Power 105. But then he ran on Jay Z's stage in 2005 and made Jay Z seem like the best stage performer in Hip Hop history by bringing Nas out and not the other way around. Jay should have been running onto Nas' stage. His message is their but his actions isnt. Nas said it himself he's not the strictest parent. Plus he smoked weed with his pops and he kinda gives hints that he might be puffing with his daughter....I'm not saying he does but certain lyrics give me that impression.


Cube lost all that pro Black egde he had when he did a movie with the Hip Hop joke Marky Mark in 1999. Cube makes comedy movies for white kids now......Tho I do give him props for still getting at whitey in his current music. But lest be real....Everyone wants Ice Cubes next project to be another Friday installment where Cube plays the role of over grown adolecence. I dont see the father image at all. Cube is the successful older brother who gave up all his fire and flare years ago.


Common.....I thought Common was gonna come out the closet when he was with Erykah Badu.....I was worried about Common for a second. Then him and Kanye got together and they made beautiful music. I cant co sign Common because when he was on Oprah during the whole N word debate he kept brown nosing and saying what sounded right....He didnt go in like he should have. Oprah was going in so why should he fall back? The man holding his nuts while the woman has all the say so is a big problem in our society as is.
 

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When Rick Ross was performing in the 2012 BET awards with his shirt off showing his ass crack....it really showed the current maturity level of todays mainstream Hip Hop. Ross is a couple of years older then me and I dont do the 'show my ass crack' thing...Thats what the kids do. I let the kids have they fun. But Hip Hop is entertainment, not a culture as some have been fooled to believe, and Ross is only catering to age level of his audience even if that means reducing what is supposed to be his age level to that of a teenager.



Ross = not a father figure...He's more like that older cousin whos to old to be focused on street nonsense.


Jay z = Not a father figure...He's more like a 'styling on you uncle' whos focused on telling u street nonsense over real issues.



Nas = Not a father figure...More like that uncle who's flaws have been magnified by the public but in the end he still gets the respect.


Lil Wayne = Not a father figure....He's a rich 17 year old in a near 30 year olds body.


TI = Not a father figure...The family man gimmick would have worked had it not been for that Crimestoppers PSA. Its sent the message of "i'm only doing the family man thing cuz all that trap work got me negotiating with the FEDS." TI's more like that slick talking cousin whos caught a lot of good luck.



Jeezy = Not a father figure....What father really wants to motivate thugs? Prison is thug motivation...a real father wants to motivate young minds to grow up and be self reliant men and women. Like Ross he's more like that older cousin whos to old to be focused on street nonsense but he's cool to hang around with every now and then.



Kanye = Not a father figure....Kanye's more like that smart aleck cousin thats cool to hang around even tho in the back of our minds he might be bisexual.



Drake = Not father figure....Drake is more like that privelaged cousin who is kinda cool even tho he has the aura of a herb.



50 Cent = Not a father figure....50 is that older cousin who is very succesful and your happy thats he's succesful but after a while you notice he's an instigating attention whore. Sometimes its entertaining...sometimes its annoying. He's also the cousin that only wants to be around you to tell you how sucessful he is in life yet he doesnt really care where you are in life he just wants you to listen to his story.



2Pac = Not a father figure......Pac was that older cousin who was killed and we honor his memory so greatly that we overlook the reckless example he left behind.



Fat Joe, Snoop, Bun B and Scarface
= See Ross


so who are the father figures??



Chuck D
- In the 80's this man stood on stage and screamed "Black power" in front of a sea of white people and they cheered him on. Did you read Chuck D's Book? If not, why Not? He was dropping some real jewels...Like how Hip Hop sends the wrong message stressing street hustling as a means of financial support when there are numerous ways of getting money legaly. Chuck didnt care about Biggie and Preemo making a classic song...he just didnt want his voice associated with the selling of drugs on the song Ten Crack Commandments....Thats what you call standing up for something. When Flava Flav was out there c00ning on reality TV, Chuck D called it for what it was with strong love without throwing Flav under the bus like a real friend is supposed to do. Till this day when the man opens his mouth he's saying something informative. His speech is clear, articulate and well thought out. He'a s Muslim but he doesnt beat you over the head about it. Married man and political activist. This is a father figure.



Rev Run - Remember how the Osbournes show was ratchet before the word ratchet became popular, leaving the impression of what a successful white family looks like when the dad is a rock legend. And then this Black man, who can also be considered a rock legend being that he is in the rock and roll hall of fame, comes behind The Osbournes and shows that not only families but a "Black family" can be civilized and entertaining as well. As a Black man in America, with all the negative stereotypes towards Black folks in entertainment, at some point you had to stop and acknowledge that Run House the show was a good look for Black folks. Definatly a more positive note in the Hip Hop 2000's..The family unity, the positivity, the spirituality....and Run doesnt use profanity. Mind you Run is from Run DMC so the street cred is certified based on that alone yet Run became a man of the cloth so you are left with the impression that this reverand isn't a square and has some "down to earth" in him. This is a father figure.




KRS One
- Yes KRS has been caught being contradictory. But thats just being human. This is a man who in the 80's saw Black on Black crime as problem in the urban community, gathered all the popular rappers in the east coast and made a hot song about self destruction within the urban community. This would influence the west coast rappers to do the same with a song called "All In The Same Gang." That was Black unity at its finest in the late 80's and it was started by KRS One. In the 90's KRS would do things to distort his messages....Forget the PM Dawn thing, on the award worthy album Edutainment KRS breaks down the cons of eating meat yet years later he would co sign a song about smoking marijuana with the group Channel Live. The song was called "Mad Izm" and it was real hot when it dropped. So meat is bad but smoking marijuan is cool. Like I said "distorted messeges." Like Nas we have watched KRS flaws unfold in front of us. But philosphies change with times. Didnt Jesus eat from the vine on the sabbath? Yes KRS went from saying he's not a christian to dedicating a whole album to a Christian like theme. But look at what we are pointing at. KRS's philosophies. The same man who was holding a gun on his debut album rapping about shooting a crack dealer named Peter turned into the self appointed teacher. How many thugs out there switched their game up to force you to look at them as some sort of intelllectual to the point you forget they came in the game as a thug?? Most thugs (or wannabes for that) want you to see them as thugs and not the later. Wanting the world to see you as a philosopher or teacher over having the world see you as some sort of street product aimed for prison is a great example of a father figure. Denouncing your criminal mind for a spiritual and intellectual mind is the example KRS gave to the world......and KRS showed that you may stumble with contradictions piecing your philosopy together along the way. This is a father figure.




Russel Simmons
- Def Jam has promoted a lot of reckless music while hiding behind the name 'Entrepreneurship' all for the sake of financial profit. Thats called capitalism. There's no moral base in capitalism and thats why Def Jam can go from supporting a conscious group like Public Enemy one decade to promoting Jay Z the ex drug dealer who's all about money, cash and hoes the next decade. Redman taught the kids how to roll a blunt and Foxy Brown named her debut album after her puss. Remember all that hilarious filth from Def Comedy Jam? Yes Russel has made his earnings from things that one could say lacked moral fiber all in the name of 'Entrepreneurship." Russel is a business man. But with all that said Russel has successfully made a reputatation of balancing his capitalistic behavior with spirituality and political consciousness. And thats where the father image kicks in. "Yes I did what a dog had to do in a dog eat dog world but thats just how it is.......I did it the best and now I will enlighten you about my journey and spread my knowledge and wisdom to others every chance I can......let me also add, hard work has made me succesful" This is a father figure.





Sadly there are no mother figures in Hip Hop as well. Queen Latifah held that torch for a minute that is until she took the head wrap off and traded her "mother Earth aura" to be a gun totting weed smoking lesbian gangster in the movie Set It Off. Lauryn tried to revive what Latifah had but she would soon fall in the "crazy auntie" category......After that Foxy and Kim would teach the generations...followed by Eve and Trina....Then Remy and now Nicki.

What about the father figures on the Coli who sit down contemplating making up penis size lengths of rappers and doing their best to have the joke catch on and for Superhead to use it for her book?

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I still say Russel and I already explained why.

Rakims influential reach is poetic.....Hes to much a mystery to be considered a father figure. Rakim is like that well respected uncle that was the sh*t back in the days when I was a kid but now that i
i've grown up I dont know what the fuk he's doing now.



Nas has some ways to go......I honestly thoght he was gonna lead some revolution when he sh*tted on Sumer Jam and hopped to Power 105. But then he ran on Jay Z's stage in 2005 and made Jay Z seem like the best stage performer in Hip Hop history by bringing Nas out and not the other way around. Jay should have been running onto Nas' stage. His message is their but his actions isnt. Nas said it himself he's not the strictest parent. Plus he smoked weed with his pops and he kinda gives hints that he might be puffing with his daughter....I'm not saying he does but certain lyrics give me that impression.


Cube lost all that pro Black egde he had when he did a movie with the Hip Hop joke Marky Mark in 1999. Cube makes comedy movies for white kids now......Tho I do give him props for still getting at whitey in his current music. But lest be real....Everyone wants Ice Cubes next project to be another Friday installment where Cube plays the role of over grown adolecence. I dont see the father image at all. Cube is the successful older brother who gave up all his fire and flare years ago.


Common.....I thought Common was gonna come out the closet when he was with Erykah Badu.....I was worried about Common for a second. Then him and Kanye got together and they made beautiful music. I cant co sign Common because when he was on Oprah during the whole N word debate he kept brown nosing and saying what sounded right....He didnt go in like he should have. Oprah was going in so why should he fall back? The man holding his nuts while the woman has all the say so is a big problem in our society as is.

1) things you said about other artists must also reflect russell as well. as time went on he became less of a father figure and more of a loony uncle. also the way you co-signed his melting of the culture wasnt acceptable to me which is why he is left in the past.

rush card? negative my man. nas > russell. and russ passed on nas.

2) rakim is still living off his old classics and is a father who raises his son(s). he is still the embodiment of the lessons he gave when he first spoke on the mic. his father figure stature in hiphop is timeless. he just dropped a new song with marco polo, check it out.

3) because you wanted nas to lead the revolution (i did too) would mean he would sacrifice his life which he was not willing to do and i respect that. nas has done the best job steering his ship and upholding hiphop to his best ability. nas had been ostracized from the game and if he did what he intended he would truly been on his own.

the smartest thing he did was squash the beef with jayz and sign with la reid (who invited nas after hearing the why remix) because it kept his staying power. nas gave the ultimate father lesson by showing everyone you can get over your beef and the culture is more important than battles.

if you need proof of what happens when you do your best chuck D impression just observe nas's difficulties now. he went from "message to the feds" to N!gger to distant relatives and was rewarded with FBI probes and IRS intrusions.

him and damien received death threats and were forced to change the album and water it down and do things like add a wayne feature.

now they are garnishing his wages directly from his tour, unheard of sh!t.

4) cube balances that line too well. if him working with marky mark cancels out some of those songs he has done the last few years then you cant have russell. not only that but he is literally a father and great role model.

5) even if common is gay lol he is still a good role model, im not the biggest fan but i can overstand how he tries to carry himself. he is huge in the public eye and maintains himself well considering his controversial lyrics. im not here to nitpick his muslim status.


What about the father figures on the Coli who sit down contemplating making up penis size lengths of rappers and doing their best to have the joke catch on and for Superhead to use it for her book?

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LOL @ how this is your second response that begins with the words "yawn." In a thread about maturity your acting real immature. If you sleepy go take a nap

You're scared you can be convinced into sucking dikk though. :ufdup: :win:

I love how all you can do is critique one word: "Yawn"

You can't even address the fact that you refuse to be accountable for yourself and those around you that you raise and would rather blame the world for not doing its part to tell you wrestling is fake.
 

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thoughts on The Rza?

he seems to walk the fine line of being edgy enough to never tread corny waters like the simmons family yet maintain wisdom in the household. He'd likely raise young game changers where Rev Run gave us Diggy.


i think Bun B is a good father figure too.
 
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