The white man getting blacks to call each other *****...

[theworldismine13]

and you pro nikka people need to get your story straight

is it ok to say nikka or not, do you want white people to be involved in the convo or not

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

yeah that is correct, i focus on improving black people, and?

i love america but if america goes to hell in hand basket i have to make sure black people are good, cuz im black

Thats all good and well but you can't talk about black problems in isolation when our culture is so intertwined with American culture in general

Another huge hole in your anti-black diatribes (that black culture/problems exist in a vacuum)

A lot of the issues we face (growing unemployment, eroding wealth/pay, celebrating mediocrity) are just microcosms of general American trends... so its a bit silly to think we can solve these problems in isolation of them being solved bigger

There has to be an analysis and separation of "everybody" problems and "black" problems

 

[MeachTheMonster]

exactly @ the bolded..i wasnt very specific from what i originally said but i didnt mean eating innards is what white people taught us i ment more that white people gave us the scraps as in the dog food of it all or crude food and we took that and ran with it - as in slaves eating whatever the slaver gives them(not the liver or something along those lines but fecal filled intestines) to the "free man" eating whatever the white man says is good even if its not according to modern medicine and science


when i say the way food is cooked i mean how its made of course chicken wings deep fried in pig fat genetically modified corn oil with salt and sugar sprinkled in the batter with a heap of hotsauce thrown all over top of it once its hot n ready type cooking

you could eat that same chicken wing alot healthier obviously though and could still consider it "soul food"

Fecal filled innards( with the feces removed) are a delicacy in a lot of cultures including some African cultures, it has nothing to do with white folks or slavery, organ meats are full of nutrients. As for the chicken wings you're right they could/should be cooked differently, but again this isn't unique to black folks. Traditional food is full of fat and calories cause we needed it back in the day, now that our lifestyles have changed our diets should too. I just hate when people try to say its white people's fault that we eat this way.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

and you pro nikka people need to get your story straight

is it ok to say nikka or not, do you want white people to be involved in the convo or not

Stop arguing with "pro nikka people"(strawman) and address the people who are actualy talking to you.

 

[Dirty_Jerz]

Fecal filled innards( with the feces removed) are a delicacy in a lot of cultures including some African cultures, it has nothing to do with white folks or slavery, organ meats are full of nutrients. As for the chicken wings you're right they could/should be cooked differently, but again this isn't unique to black folks. Traditional food is full of fat and calories cause we needed it back in the day, now that our lifestyles have changed our diets should too. I just hate when people try to say its white people's fault that we eat this way.

i never heard of any african culture that ate a$$hole as a delicacy breh not even trying to joke but im sure your right though and i have even seen some that let cows piss on them and some that drink blood that is directly siphoned from the jugular of a live cattle neck and they dont even do that

people still eat like that now (innards) and they arent just trying to eat all that fattiest areas and they live like natives in the bush not dressed and pressed

idk that topic gets pretty deep though because once you in that area its more where you from too and i dont mean in america

 

[theworldismine13]

Thats all good and well but you can't talk about black problems in isolation when our culture is so intertwined with American culture in general

Another huge hole in your anti-black diatribes (that black culture/problems exist in a vacuum)

A lot of the issues we face (growing unemployment, eroding wealth/pay, celebrating mediocrity) are just microcosms of general American trends... so its a bit silly to think we can solve these problems in isolation of them being solved bigger

There has to be an analysis and separation of "everybody" problems and "black" problems

Yo you can discuss it anyway you want, I think it's fine to discuss nikka in terms of mainstream education and economic policies but I also think its fine for black people to have a discussion among ourselves about its use

But like I was saying in the first page, pro nikka people tend to be people that don't believe that black people can control their situation and their future

If you believe in the premise that black people do not control our future then it's perfectly logical to say it doesn't matter what we call ourselves since we will be oppressed no matter what

But I reject that premise, I think we do have control over our future so therefore what we call ourselves and what other people call us is important, we have to use names that are integrated with our goals and visions not just whatever name was handed to us

But I can tell you don't feel comfortable with that, so we can switch to discussing ignorance in general and how nikka plays into that, that's a fine discussion to have, but even in that discussion I would say the widespread use of nikka is something that is not in the interest of American culture

 

[mbewane]

it is different but white men might not call themselves or make tracks like me and my nikkas but they make tracks like this




Trace Adkins - Honky Tonk Badonkadonk - YouTube










the main difference to me though between the bytches&nikkas thing though is ****** is literally a b*stardized version of negro created by white people


check out the definition they added to it though in the dictionary


3.
a victim of prejudice similar to that suffered by blacks; a person who is economically, politically, or socially disenfranchised.

That track is kind of hot too

at the bolded, that's an actual definition of "n****r" now? wtf

back later gotta eat but how did y'all end up discussing "fecal filled innards"

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Yo you can discuss it anyway you want, I think it's fine to discuss nikka in terms of mainstream education and economic policies but I also think its fine for black people to have a discussion among ourselves about its use

But like I was saying in the first page, pro nikka people tend to be people that don't believe that black people can control their situation and their future

If you believe in the premise that black people do not control our future then it's perfectly logical to say it doesn't matter what we call ourselves since we will be oppressed no matter what

But I reject that premise, I think we do have control over our future so therefore what we call ourselves and what other people call us is important, we have to use names that are integrated with our goals and visions not just whatever name was handed to us

But I can tell you don't feel comfortable with that, so we can switch to discussing ignorance in general and how nikka plays into that, that's a fine discussion to have, but even in that discussion I would say the widespread use of nikka is something that is not in the interest of American culture

How does what we call each other have anything to do with how we allow ourselves to be oppressed?

Jay-Z said nikka more than a few times on his last few discs... how has that word oppressed him?

I am all for black power but you are trying to tie it with white washing our culture

 

[theworldismine13]

How does what we call each other have anything to do with how we allow ourselves to be oppressed?

Jay-Z said nikka more than a few times on his last few discs... how has that word oppressed him?

I am all for black power but you are trying to tie it with white washing our culture

first of all jay-z says nikka in every song and btw im still waiting for you to post a rap song that doesnt say nikka in it since you said i was exaggerating

jay-z and the rest of the rap industry are just people that feed the aforementioned ignorant american culture, imo jay-z represents bad leadership that i was talking about before, he is leading black culture toward the chief keef and trinidad james mindframe and creating a culture that is conducive to the prison industrial complex

its not that nikka by itself causes you to be oppressed, but nikka is part of an anti academic culture that has permeated black culture so if we as black people sit down and make a strategic plan for the improvement of black people its hard to see a place for nikka in that plan

the use of nikka is not a strategic decision is just something that people go along with because thats all they know

and i find the notion that it doesn't matter what you call yourself or it doesn't matter what words you use to be very nutty and silly, that notion only makes sense if you believe you have no control over your situation and future

any student of history and psychology knows the first step in oppression somebody is you convincing the victim mentally that they are oppressed thats why i at you effort of trying to explain to me how black people are so oppressed that they cant even control their language

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

first of all jay-z says nikka in every song and btw im still waiting for you to post a rap song that doesnt say nikka in it since you said i was exaggerating

JAY-Z LYRICS - What We Talkin' About

I can't blame you though, you're an argumentative prick who doesn't even listen to rap but posts on a hip hop message board

jay-z and the rest of the rap industry are just people that feed the aforementioned ignorant american culture, imo jay-z represents bad leadership that i was talking about before, he is leading black culture toward the chief keef and trinidad james mindframe and creating a culture that is conducive to the prison industrial complex

Elaborate

its not that nikka by itself causes you to be oppressed, but nikka is part of an anti academic culture that has permeated black culture so if we as black people sit down and make a strategic plan for the improvement of black people its hard to say a place for nikka in that plan, the use of nikka is not a strategic decision is just something that people go along with because thats all they know

Again, there are plenty of black academics + success stories who listen to music with the word "nikka" in it and even use the word themselves, this argument is DOA

and i find the notion that it doesn't matter what you call yourself or it doesn't matter what words you use to be very nutty and silly, that notion only makes sense if you believe you have no control over your situation and future

I find the notion that the outcome of your life being wholly dependent on what you call yourself is silly; you are assigning the control of one's destiny to one fukking word

any student of history and psychology knows the first step in oppression somebody is you convincing the victim mentally that they are oppressed thats why i at you effort of trying to explain to me how black people are so oppressed that they cant even control their language

Cite an instance in history that validates this theory please.

 

[Un-AmericanDreamer]

Black folk give white folks way too much credit, they're not the brilliant machievallian strategist types you think they are. The reality is that they can get away with it because they're in the position and you're not.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Black folk give white folks way too much credit, they're not the brilliant machievallian strategist types you think they are. The reality is that they can get away with it because they're in the position and you're not.

I'll go even further and say more white people, like most people period, are focused on survival and don't have it as easy as people think

 

[theworldismine13]

JAY-Z LYRICS - What We Talkin' About

I can't blame you though, you're an argumentative prick who doesn't even listen to rap but posts on a hip hop message board

LOL, how long did it take you to find that gibberish filled song?

Again, there are plenty of black academics + success stories who listen to music with the word "nikka" in it and even use the word themselves, this argument is DOA

i dont see what that has to do with what i said, i was just saying that people use nikka just because, there is no real strategy behind it

and if we were making a strategy its hard to see how nikka fits into that

I find the notion that the outcome of your life being wholly dependent on what you call yourself is silly; you are assigning the control of one's destiny to one fukking word

your life comes down to a lot of things including your culture and how you think of yourself, if you think of yourself as a nikka chances are your view of the world will be limited to that

thats not the only factor but culture and self image are huge factors in how you end up in life and how groups of people end up

Cite an instance in history that validates this theory please.

there are lot, the most obvious one is the the caribbean islands in the 17th and 18th centuries where you had islands that were 90 percent black slaves and 10 percent white, black people where obviously mentally enslaved more than they were physically enslaved in those cases

thats an extreme case, but the concept is still the same in less extreme cases, the oppressed in a lot ways oppressed themselves by believing in the oppression wether the oppression actually exists or not

this theory was also espoused by the gawd brother bob, he elaborated on the issue of mental slavery in this song

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNkr86zZaP4"]bob marley - redemption song(+ lyrics and wallpapers download) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

LOL, how long did it take you to find that gibberish filled song?

Point is you were wrong. You said Jay says nikka in every song, now the song is gibberish. And it didn't take long, couple of seconds? I knew/remembered the song. There are others too but I would have to look for them

Again you don't even listen to rap, so please don't try to speak with any kind of authority on it

i dont see what that has to do with what i said, i was just saying that people use nikka just because, there is no real strategy behind it

and if we were making a strategy its hard to see how nikka fits into that

If theres no strategy for the use of nikka, why does it have to fit into one?

your life comes down to a lot of things including your culture and how you think of yourself, if you think of yourself as a nikka chances are your view of the world will be limited to that

Thats a fair point but contradicts your assertion that there is no "strategy" behind the use of nikka- IOW people don't say nikka because that is how they see themselves, but they just say it "for the hell of it"... which is it?

thats not the only factor but culture and self image are huge factors in how you end up in life and how groups of people end up

Again there is no correlation between the use of "nikka" and one's self image, there are plenty of folks who use the word and have strong healthy self images, there are people who don't use the word and have terrible self images

there are lot, the most obvious one is the the caribbean islands in the 17th and 18th centuries where you had islands that were 90 percent black slaves and 10 percent white, black people where obviously mentally enslaved more than they were physically enslaved in those cases

You sure about that, I am pretty sure the white people had firearms, that seems like pretty physical enslavement to me

You posted this as though the mental aspect was a foregone conclusion, what specifically did white people do aside from have guns to enslave people

And how does this play into the context of the current convo... I think we can all agree that white people are not making black people do anything now, so what does this have to do with anything?

thats an extreme case, but the concept is still the same in less extreme cases, the oppressed in a lot ways oppressed themselves by believing in the oppression wether the oppression actually exists or not

"A lot ways" like what? And how is the use of the word nikka an expression of belief in oppression? If Jay-Z calls himself a nikka and makes $500m does he beleive he is a victim?

this theory was also espoused by the gawd brother bob, he elaborated on the issue of mental slavery in this song

bob marley - redemption song(+ lyrics and wallpapers download) - YouTube

You keep making these vague allusions... can you post the lyrics in the song that are relevant to the thread or is this another foregone conclusion?

 

[theworldismine13]

Point is you were wrong. You said Jay says nikka in every song, now the song is gibberish. And it didn't take long, couple of seconds? I knew/remembered the song. There are others too but I would have to look for them

Again you don't even listen to rap, so please don't try to speak with any kind of authority on it

you can have a cookie for that, but lol at me not listening to rap and you having to search for songs without nikka, its a hard task because nikka is in pretty much every song nowadays

If theres no strategy for the use of nikka, why does it have to fit into one?

it doesnt have to fit into a strategy, in fact you dont even have to have strategy, its a free country you can do whatever the hell you want, we as a people can simply float around waving in the wind without any strategy

im simply exercising my mental muscles and asserting that there should be a strategy or a review of the strategy and that if we sat around and tried that, nikka would not fit into the strategy

Thats a fair point but contradicts your assertion that there is no "strategy" behind the use of nikka- IOW people don't say nikka because that is how they see themselves, but they just say it "for the hell of it"... which is it?

i dont understand what iow means and i dont understand your point

Again there is no correlation between the use of "nikka" and one's self image, there are plenty of folks who use the word and have strong healthy self images, there are people who don't use the word and have terrible self images

but that was a general statement about culture AND self image, and there is a connection between the use of nikka and culture, and nikka is part of an anti academic culture within black culture

and nikka means different things to different people, even amongst black people, to some people its just a word, to others its part of their identity and defines who they are, so i keep my statements general not specific

You sure about that, I am pretty sure the white people had firearms, that seems like pretty physical enslavement to me



And how does this play into the context of the current convo... I think we can all agree that white people are not making black people do anything now, so what does this have to do with anything?

it doesnt matter how many guns the whites had, if its 90 percent blacks, the black people could have easily ran away or overwhelmed the whites, which eventually happened in haiti, the main thing stopping it was mental, it wasnt physical

You posted this as though the mental aspect was a foregone conclusion, what specifically did white people do aside from have guns to enslave people

thats a question you need to ask, my conclusion is that the black people were mentally enslaved, if you have some other explanation then explain it

And how does this play into the context of the current convo... I think we can all agree that white people are not making black people do anything now, so what does this have to do with anything?

you and the other pro nikka dude are the ones demanding that we bring in white people into the conversation because according to you white people control black people's culture

im just simply saying that if you think white people control black culture you arent much different than the blacks slaves in caribbean islands back in the day

if i follow your logic, you say nikka is bad because it shows a lack of education, white people control education, so therefore if we want to talk about nikka we have to talk about white people who are the real controllers of culture, did i miss something?

yet we have cities that are 70-80 percent black....and you want to talk about white people....alrighty then, lets talk about white people....yawn

"A lot ways" like what? And how is the use of the word nikka an expression of belief in oppression? If Jay-Z calls himself a nikka and makes $500m does he beleive he is a victim?

its not the use of the word nikka, its your beleif that what we call ourselves doesnt matter that is a sign of oppression

you just spent a couple post trying to explain to me how white people are oppressing me and how they control my culture and language and i cant talk about nikka without talking about them

You keep making these vague allusions... can you post the lyrics in the song that are relevant to the thread or is this another foregone conclusion?

brother bob is a man of few words but the relevant lyrics are

Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery;
None but ourselves can free our minds.

the process of overcoming our oppression has nothing to do with white people