The white man getting blacks to call each other *****...

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

First we have to establish how the white man gets black people to do anything....

People are so quick to give up free will in exchange for personal responsibility... I dont see it

 

[theworldismine13]

i think your missing the point here friend like butter knives

I don't think so, it goes without question that black people can use it among ourselves, i have a problem with it but technically i would say its a right but what is the purpose of mainstreaming the word which is what is going on with it and making it the fundemantally part of black vocabulary?

I don't think there is any logic or strategy to it, like busta said about fried chicken the reason we do it is becuase that is what nikkaz do and we don't really care about the consequences

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Yeah I remember, you believe strongly in calling your kid nikka, and you are proud about being a nikka, which I I'm against, I think black people are doing something wrong with all that

I don't belive strongly in calling my kid a nikka. I said I still find myself calling him that even though I know it's wrong, it's that far engrained into me and who I am that it just happens. I did say that I'm proud of my ancestors that were called nikkas, and I take a sense of pride in the word because some of the greatest people to walk this earth were called nikkas, it's not a bad legacy to identify with.

I know the word is wrong and ugly in every other sense, but I'm proud of the fact that we as a people turned the worst situation ever(being slaves) into being the president of the United States. In my opinion the word nikka and its use signifies this struggle and triumph.

 

[theworldismine13]

I don't belive strongly in calling my kid a nikka. I said I still find myself calling him that even though I know it's wrong, it's that far engrained into me and who I am that it just happens. I did say that I'm proud of my ancestors that were called nikkas, and I take a sense of pride in the word because some of the greatest people to walk this earth were called nikkas, it's not a bad legacy to identify with.

I know the word is wrong and ugly in every other sense, but I'm proud of the fact that we as a people turned the worst situation ever(being slaves) into being the president of the United States. In my opinion the word nikka and its use signifies this struggle and triumph.

personally i think everything you said is retarded, its an example of black people not strategzing properly, i cant even blame you, in my reading of black history and hip hop im starting to realize that we have been plagued by bad leadership

i think the spread of the word nikka is an example of that, its a word that got out of control cuz we never sat down and gave deep thought to it, we just kinda go along, all the "pro nikka" argument are starting to sound dumb to me and they are made by people that arent leading black people in the right direction

i feel that the "pro nikka" people are leading the black race to the chief keef, trinidad james world as opposed to the barack obama world

 

[MeachTheMonster]

personally i think everything you said is retarded, its an example of black people not strategzing properly, i cant even blame you, in my reading of black history and hip hop im starting to realize that we have been plagued by bad leadership

i think the spread of the word nikka is an example of that, its a word that got out of control cuz we never sat down and gave deep thought to it, we just kinda go along, all the "pro nikka" argument are starting to sound dumb to me and they are made by people that arent leading black people in the right direction

i feel that the "pro nikka" people are leading the black race to the chief keef, trinidad james world as opposed to the barack obama world

Well plenty of the "Obama" like people disagree with you. At this point in history the word isn't holding anybody back or hurting anyone. Chief kief would be ignorant no matter what word he used, and redneck jimbo would is still racist no matter what word he uses. It's an ugly word with a complicated history but its nothing to get your panties in a bunch about.

 

[Dirty_Jerz]

I don't think so, it goes without question that black people can use it among ourselves, i have a problem with it but technically i would say its a right but what is the purpose of mainstreaming the word which is what is going on with it and making it the fundemantally part of black vocabulary?

I don't think there is any logic or strategy to it, like busta said about fried chicken the reason we do it is becuase that is what nikkaz do and we don't really care about the consequences

well when you get down to the grit of it all generations of generations of generations of newly born black people who were being white washed from birth and lost nearly all connection to where we originally come from and what made us unique(culture language etc) it only makes sense we adopt new sayings and ways of living(eating the scraps of an animal)


now if you want to say its wrong that we still do it to this day and we should have let that go since we now know and have better options i would agree in some sense but cac's been fighting hard to keep us this way especially when we started getting big on calling ourselves brotha or sista instead of nikka i do see positive in it though also

being proud to be a nikka in the day and age everyone is trying so hard to be more europeon and "******ish" things like listening to loud rap music wearing your hair nappy and not giving a fukk about trying to appear to be a "safe negro" arent the bad thing to me

IMO the bad thing to me is not wanting to identify with anything that has to do with the word nikka especially if you know your history and you are a black person (edit: or when you arent a black person and you are trying to identify with the word

 

[theworldismine13]

Well plenty of the "Obama" like people disagree with you. At this point in history the word isn't holding anybody back or hurting anyone. Chief kief would be ignorant no matter what word he used, and redneck jimbo would is still racist no matter what word he uses. It's an ugly word with a complicated history but its nothing to get your panties in a bunch about.

the idea that language and culture dont shape a person is absurd, like i was saying in first post if you are convinced that a higher power is turning chief keef ignorant and we as black people have no control over it then i agree that it doesnt matter what language we use

but my premise is that black people have full control over what happens to us and control over how people like chief keef grow up, we just havent had the leadership that we need, black people are being told by other black people to just go along and just accept the widespread use of nikka because "thats just what nikkas do" we should also we should accept chief keef and trinidad james because "thats just what nikkaz do" and we dont control our own future

in other words there is no real leadership or strategy

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

personally i think everything you said is retarded, its an example of black people not strategzing properly, i cant even blame you, in my reading of black history and hip hop im starting to realize that we have been plagued by bad leadership

i think the spread of the word nikka is an example of that, its a word that got out of control cuz we never sat down and gave deep thought to it, we just kinda go along, all the "pro nikka" argument are starting to sound dumb to me and they are made by people that arent leading black people in the right direction

i feel that the "pro nikka" people are leading the black race to the chief keef, trinidad james world as opposed to the barack obama world

How is the word "out of control"?

 

[newarkhiphop]

its not what you say its how you say it

This right here I think its the problem.

BUT , before i get into that , a word is just a word is just a word, to a certain extent.

How a community uses a word or the actions they take among themselves is not the problem per se. It's how your communities enemies use the word and the actions THEY take.

So black people calling themselves the word as a term of endearment or a term of anger is neither here nor there its how others who look down on them uses it. You really think ol racist ass billy bob cares or knows the differences between using it -igger or -igga ?

Forgetting all the supposed origins and i have to disagree with LeyeT the Ethiopian word "naga" and the word of today are two different words with two different meanings who just so happen to almost sound/look alike. The one the used today is more closely related to a Spanish/Portuguese word. Putting that a side though the way the word originated here in the U.S and was used was with a negative connotation. It was used to describe people who whites thought were subhuman and to be used for manual labor. That is the harshest of the harsh that why me personally I have never fully understood the whole "we made into something positive " thing. Hundreds of thousands of people died behind that word. I couldn't imagine this being the new hand sign for jews. http://southpawbeagle.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/heil_hitler.jpg

So I think saying we made it something popular is more of a social defensive mechanism than anything else. To make something popular you have to have control over it. Not even the rappers who glorify everything that is wrong within urban communities have control over it. Speaking of rappers think about whenever there criticized about there lyrics, what is there response? " We are taking the negative things we see in our community and bringing to life, MAKING IT INTO SOMETHING POSITIVE" In reality like i said they have NO control over the word. Tomorrow if the record companies wanted they could ban the word from records. They send the order down the chain of command and ALL the most popular rappers would have to stop using. Same thing with TV's & Movies , one order and you would never see or hear the word on a screen again. Who you think is sitting at the head of those record labels and TV studios? Who signing off on those rapper pay checks? Those are the people in REAL control of the word. Giving people a false sense of control is the way you really keep them down.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

the idea that language and culture dont shape a person is absurd, like i was saying in first post if you are convinced that a higher power is turning chief keef ignorant and we as black people have no control over it then i agree that it doesnt matter what language we use

but my premise is that black people have full control over what happens to us and control over how people like chief keef grow up, we just havent had the leadership that we need, black people are being told by other black people to just go along and just accept the widespread use of nikka because "thats just what nikkas do" we should also we should accept chief keef and trinidad james because "thats just what nikkaz do" and we dont control our own future

in other words there is no real leadership or strategy

I agree with you, but the word nikka is not the problem. It's not just black people but America in general applauds ignorance and shuns affluence. Everywhere from the smallest ghetto in Chicago to our presidential elections, being educated is views as a bad thing. The problem comes from the fact that there are way more "have-nots" than "havs" in America so the majority shuns the minority mainly out of jealousy. This dynamic is exaggerated in the black community because our wealth gap is even larger.

 

[Dirty_Jerz]

This right here I think its the problem.

BUT , before i get into that , a word is just a word is just a word, to a certain extent.

How a community uses a word or the actions they take among themselves is not the problem per se. It's how your communities enemies use the word and the actions THEY take.

So black people calling themselves the word as a term of endearment or a term of anger is neither here nor there its how others who look down on them uses it. You really think ol racist ass billy bob cares or knows the differences between using it -igger or -igga ?

Forgetting all the supposed origins and i have to disagree with LeyeT the Ethiopian word "naga" and the word of today are two different words with two different meanings who just so happen to almost sound/look alike. The one the used today is more closely related to a Spanish/Portuguese word. Putting that a side though the way the word originated here in the U.S and was used was with a negative connotation. It was used to describe people who whites thought were subhuman and to be used for manual labor. That is the harshest of the harsh that why me personally I have never fully understood the whole "we made into something positive " thing. Hundreds of thousands of people died behind that word. I couldn't imagine this being the new hand sign for jews. http://southpawbeagle.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/heil_hitler.jpg

So I think saying we made it something popular is more of a social defensive mechanism than anything else. To make something popular you have to have control over it. Not even the rappers who glorify everything that is wrong within urban communities have control over it. Speaking of rappers think about whenever there criticized about there lyrics, what is there response? " We are taking the negative things we see in our community and bringing to life, MAKING IT INTO SOMETHING POSITIVE" In reality like i said they have NO control over the word. Tomorrow if the record companies wanted they could ban the word from records. They send the order down the chain of command and ALL the most popular rappers would have to stop using. Same thing with TV's & Movies , one order and you would never see or hear the word on a screen again. Who you think is sitting at the head of those record labels and TV studios? Who signing off on those rapper pay checks? Those are the people in REAL control of the word. Giving people a false sense of control is the way you really keep them down.

if the white jewish label owners banned the word nikka from CD's do you really think any black people would follow that rule though? im actually hoping this happens now

 

[newarkhiphop]

if the white jewish label owners banned the word nikka from CD's do you really think any black people would follow that rule though? im actually hoping this happens now

You know what I want to say NO but these kids now a days are so gullible that ironically i think i would take a white person to make the word even semi taboo, but best believe all the rappers would be jumping through the hoops, talking about "na man that word just aint right"

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I dont get why people are throwing so many problems behind this word

Its a symptom, not a cause

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

It's insulting to always assume black people are some simple minded puppets in these conspiracy theories. They say the word because they want to

 

[theworldismine13]

How is the word "out of control"?

when people that arent black are saying it, when its used in every single rap song and when black people can't create a sentence without using it

if there was a strategy behind this then I would love to hear it but i think whats going on is that people are just letting things happen because "that's what nikkaz do"