Just a matter of finding a place that will give you a shot. It's a numbers game for sure.
The TRUTH about "Learning to Code" part 2 : Finding an entry-level job is nearly IMPOSSIBLE!
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Just a matter of finding a place that will give you a shot. It's a numbers game for sure.
These companies just aren't re-filling positions after someone leaves. And this has been going on way before the pandemic started. They expect one person to do the job of 3 people now and hence the reason I barely stay put anywhere longer than a year. Because if I learn the job of 2 other people on my team enough to become efficient. The best I can hope for is a cost of living increase when I can go elsewhere and possibly get 10K more per year.
Until more minorities start opening and patronizing each other businesses we'll be at the mercy of the elites. It maybe possible to develop your own ecosystems where you don't really need these huge Corporations anymore. But most people would rather work for someone rather than strike out on their own and work together.
Can't blame em. As time as it takes to be good at programming, you wanna get to the bag ASAP. It takes years to get good, plus more years to get your business off the ground. That's too long
aXiom
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It's one thing if you can't cut it, but to go on a personal tirade shytting on the industry because you're not built for it screams weak of mind.
Make no mistake.. this shyt is HARD.. that's why most people quit or get stuck on at entry level jobs like helpdesk because it takes a different level of determination and aptitude to get out of the trenches, if this shyt was easy and anyone could do it, you think they'd be handing out 6 figure salaries for:
Software Engineer
Systems Engineer
Devops Engineer
Site Reliability Engineer
Network Engineer
Cloud Engineer
Nah... there's no free lunch. No employer is gonna put you in a position that affects their bottom line without a proven track record.
Do you have any idea what it's like to be the point of contact for a company wide impacting event? That 6 figure salary you want them to pay you? ...yeah they're hemorrhaging that every few minutes while you're trying to figure out the root cause and how to get the company back to normal operation while your boss is requesting status updates and an ETR every 30 mins because the C-Suite is at his neck. Now you got all these different teams on a conference call trying to figure out who fukked up, and they're gonna be asking you questions that you wont be able to google the answers to. That's where experience comes in. Have you ever worked under that kind of pressure? Do you even want that responsibility? And yeah it may seem like people at the top do a lot less grunt work than the juniors/mid/entry, but when you get to that level companies don't pay you for how much grunt work you're able to do, they pay your for what you know.. it's a security thing.. they have a person or a team of people that can get the company out of a disaster in x amount minutes/hours, vs x amount of days. That's why they pay for experience.. that's what experience gets you.
The other side of it is time/efficiency.. you can pay a lot less for a team of shytty developers that takes twice as long to complete a half baked project or you can pony up the $$ and get it done right and once(a lot of managers are retarded though, especially when that money affects their bonuses. I've see this shyt happen one too many times). Also, people with experience know their worth and are able to turn down what may seem like great paying jobs. That amazon wish list of a job description that you're only trying to pay $150k/yr for.. yeah, good luck with that. You're gonna need another $50k before anyone who's really proficient in half that list even begins to entertain applying for that job. The person who can check all those boxes? They're a rockstar at a FAANG making double/triple that as a base plus stock options and bonuses, and that may seem like a wild number, but the amount of time and sacrifices it took to get to that level.. the compensation in raw $$ is probably still not enough.
Like I said.. this shyt is HARD. It's ok if you can't cut it.. most people won't be able to. And this is such a broad field.. I hate when people get stuck on a single discipline.. I have little doubt there's something in this field that you'll be good at that will still afford you a decent living with less effort compared to those in-demand or hot job titles.
Just quit with the defeatist shyt and stop trying to discourage others breh.. get back on your grind.
Make no mistake.. this shyt is HARD.. that's why most people quit or get stuck on at entry level jobs like helpdesk because it takes a different level of determination and aptitude to get out of the trenches, if this shyt was easy and anyone could do it, you think they'd be handing out 6 figure salaries for:
Software Engineer
Systems Engineer
Devops Engineer
Site Reliability Engineer
Network Engineer
Cloud Engineer
Nah... there's no free lunch. No employer is gonna put you in a position that affects their bottom line without a proven track record.
Do you have any idea what it's like to be the point of contact for a company wide impacting event? That 6 figure salary you want them to pay you? ...yeah they're hemorrhaging that every few minutes while you're trying to figure out the root cause and how to get the company back to normal operation while your boss is requesting status updates and an ETR every 30 mins because the C-Suite is at his neck. Now you got all these different teams on a conference call trying to figure out who fukked up, and they're gonna be asking you questions that you wont be able to google the answers to. That's where experience comes in. Have you ever worked under that kind of pressure? Do you even want that responsibility? And yeah it may seem like people at the top do a lot less grunt work than the juniors/mid/entry, but when you get to that level companies don't pay you for how much grunt work you're able to do, they pay your for what you know.. it's a security thing.. they have a person or a team of people that can get the company out of a disaster in x amount minutes/hours, vs x amount of days. That's why they pay for experience.. that's what experience gets you.
The other side of it is time/efficiency.. you can pay a lot less for a team of shytty developers that takes twice as long to complete a half baked project or you can pony up the $$ and get it done right and once(a lot of managers are retarded though, especially when that money affects their bonuses. I've see this shyt happen one too many times). Also, people with experience know their worth and are able to turn down what may seem like great paying jobs. That amazon wish list of a job description that you're only trying to pay $150k/yr for.. yeah, good luck with that. You're gonna need another $50k before anyone who's really proficient in half that list even begins to entertain applying for that job. The person who can check all those boxes? They're a rockstar at a FAANG making double/triple that as a base plus stock options and bonuses, and that may seem like a wild number, but the amount of time and sacrifices it took to get to that level.. the compensation in raw $$ is probably still not enough.
Like I said.. this shyt is HARD. It's ok if you can't cut it.. most people won't be able to. And this is such a broad field.. I hate when people get stuck on a single discipline.. I have little doubt there's something in this field that you'll be good at that will still afford you a decent living with less effort compared to those in-demand or hot job titles.
Just quit with the defeatist shyt and stop trying to discourage others breh.. get back on your grind.
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I don't know where you're job searching and what your work experience looks like but if it's under a year and you're not fresh out of college, the key should be to look in a smaller city and be more open to taking lower paying, less reputed jobs for the experience. Then make sure you do and learn as much as you can so you can level up to the next job.
The demand is there though, and you don't need to have senior level experience to find a job. But you do need at least some extensive work experience. It's really not that complicated
I don't know where you're job searching and what your work experience looks like but if it's under a year and you're not fresh out of college, the key should be to look in a smaller city and be more open to taking lower paying, less reputed jobs for the experience. Then make sure you do and learn as much as you can so you can level up to the next job.
The demand is there though, and you don't need to have senior level experience to find a job. But you do need at least some extensive work experience. It's really not that complicated
No... you are not wrong at all.
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I dont know anyone at my current level who isn't doing side things to expand their knowledge base
I wonder if these cats ever heard of github.......
That will tell me everything I need to know
I lowkey wanna see their resume. Sometimes it isn't your skills but how you present them to others.
I am about to finish my MA. I plan on going on the job market in Jan/Feb, but I have already started talking to recruiters, networking with different people, and getting my name out there. It's hard, but you gotta get innovative, and don't be afraid to yourself in a temporary uncomfortable position. (Currently doing an internship with a company that I hate while maintaining school work)
I am about to finish my MA. I plan on going on the job market in Jan/Feb, but I have already started talking to recruiters, networking with different people, and getting my name out there. It's hard, but you gotta get innovative, and don't be afraid to yourself in a temporary uncomfortable position. (Currently doing an internship with a company that I hate while maintaining school work)
You're competing with other people. So, they found someone they liked better. Go get some more experience and apply again later. Are you talking about IT or software engineering or both?
If you were good enough to interview at Google, you could interview and get hired somewhere else.
The Internet isn't going anywhere, so discouraging brehs from pursuing tech careers is awful. I said in the other thread that technical knowledge can lead to a wide range of roles; from IT to project management to product design to something in Sales.
You used a JFK quote about people going to the moon as if people were inspired to be astronauts from his quote. Coding is overrated
Steel
Superstar
OP please humbly accept this neg.
Mods need to send this thread to the bushes
Mods need to send this thread to the bushes
Excellent fukking post.
I'm a defeatist for actually telling mfs the truth about the industry 
I should've just lived up to my name and said some generic bullshyt like "now's the best time more than ever to learn how to code
" so I could get all the daps huh..
I should've just lived up to my name and said some generic bullshyt like "now's the best time more than ever to learn how to code
" so I could get all the daps huh..
Have you seen a shift in the cables being used to run to power to lights? I do low voltage and i can see cat6 cable taking over a large portion of your trade. I can power 48 separate lighting fixtures over poe off of 1 outlet.
Yep it's going that way.