The term Black or African American & Nationality

[emoney]

Someone should create a spin off thread

There needs to be a national conference to decide what this tribal name is going to be. In West Africa, when a baby is born we have what we call an "outdooring" to announce the baby name to all the friends and family. You guys need something like that..on a collective level and it needs to include all the heavyweights it can't be some rag tag group with no national presence or influence. Maybe broadcast on national television (if we/you had a network..that would be the go to) but basically announce to the world this is the name of tribe,these are our goals and aspirations as a people (whether it's to 1) work with your brothers and sisters on the continent as africa is rebuilding and revitalizing our infrastructure and institutions or 2) become more prominent within American society, etc. Whatever it is...it will tell the world this is who we are FOR THE RECORD

 

[theworldismine13]

we can't destroy the public school system because it isn't ours to destroy. it sucks in America... but the idea of free education supported by the government is excellent. Cuban students do good because of the same principles that makes their healthcare system do well.

And vouchers from where??? from who? And parents can take their kids out of public schools.... at least in the places that I've lived, there has always been school of choice.

you can destroy the public school system by closing down public schools and replacing them with charters and vouchers, its a movement happening all across the country, in case you havent noticed

charter schools are free and supported by the government, the difference is they run independently and not by a school board, and vouchers are government support for education

the vouchers come from the government obviously, yeah parents can take their kids out of public school but with what money? with vouchers the government helps parents put their kids in private schools

and with the regular public school system you are not allowed to choose what school you kid goes to

 

[MBwithadream]

AAs need a tribal name!.....one that specifically refers those of African desscent who have roots on the plantation south. Not West African Ghanaians such as myself, not even Jamaicans, Haitians, Afro-Latinos either

You need your own brand identity.

You should still stay attached to the tree (Africa) but you need your own branch.

How bout He who brooded us from our troubles?

 

[Family Man]

Y'all have gone off the deep end with the bullshyt. Kill this thread.

 

[Family Man]

Agreed some of yall were here during the beginnings of colonialism as equal citizens, but even then you still trace back to Africa. And I think its safe to say a huge majority of black people didn't willingly migrate here to help the white man for free.

Edit: This the charter school my lil cousin went to out Uptown DC, whenever I have kids they gon do the same:

I need to find a school like this in Charlotte, NC for my boy once he's school age.

 

[theworldismine13]

I need to find a school like this in Charlotte, NC for my boy once he's school age.

join the charter school/voucher program movement

 

[Blackking]

you can destroy the public school system by closing down public schools and replacing them with charters and vouchers, its a movement happening all across the country, in case you havent noticed
charter schools are free and supported by the government, the difference is they run independently and not by a school board, and vouchers are government support for education
the vouchers come from the government obviously, yeah parents can take their kids out of public school but with what money? with vouchers the government helps parents put their kids in private schools
and with the regular public school system you are not allowed to choose what school you kid goes to

how old are you?... not that it's relevant to schools.

And that movement isn't that large. And in case you haven't noticed.. these charters school receive pubic money-- meaning to a lesser degree they are subject to the same and similar issues as normal public schools. Also in case you haven't noticed some of our most productive, most educated, and innovative people in society have came from public education. There are some excellent pubic schools... Our black schools are bad for other reasons and because they receive less resources.. At least here - there are some HS that are like small colleges, and some that are like Prisons. And in some of the worse areas, like Detroit and other major cities... YES yes you can go to any school, its just that most people really don't give a fukk... and others don't know about it. It's school of choice.
So let me get this straight. The public schools ran by the government are crap... so lets use other schools that are also funded by that same government instead - even if many of them are good and many of them are horrible just like the government supported public schools we don't like????

About vouchers - that idea isn't new.. that has been around since the 1800's and nations oversees do that all the time. We are talking about not integrating and not being consumed by the oppressors.... but the voucher thing popped off in the 1960's to............................... encourage segregation because southern white gop people wanted their kids not to go to school with monkeys/blacks. Now southern GOP people are back in full effect pushing this shyt more than anyone - so I'm suspicious. I can see how the voucher system could be good, but ITs so easy to create fukkery and oppression with it - it ridiculous. And if we are acknowledging that the voucher money has to come from the same government that called us 3/5th of human beings - do you really believe that its going to be on the up n up???? Also, not thinking of race and oppression - politically the idea of getting government money to USE indirectly allows for government influence to influence religious and private institutions that are supposed to be private... and that is demonic, especially when that influence is coming from demons.

There are better options. We can fight to increase the standard of pubic education and expectations because the cost of educating is cheaper with public schools per student. We can also invest in schools like Muhammad university in Chicago.. I don't know about the religious spin, but ignore that if you can and focus on the fact that they are providing high tech and science education and preparing 100% black student pop with private education that is way beyond what normal kids get. You leave the school advanced if you focus. Above all else - the kids are expected to be on the level of what black parents think black kids should be at - best on Earth, as the originals. Why can't we do this shyt.. they aren't government funded they are more like a homeschool type of situation.

 

[The Message]

Going to the UN, whether yall like it or not would be revolutionary. Institutional racism is a dirty little secret in America. Most people outside of the country have their perceptions of race relations formulated from the American media and if you turn on the idiot box lately, everything is smoke and mirrors, "It's black America's fault." "Post racial America". We dont have a major outlet to counteract that. The few mediums we do have just pump out shyt to keep us sleep or dont even have the audience to be heard by the masses. I hate to sound cliche, but the revolution should be televised. Injustices in America need to be put on a global spotlight, heard from the mouths of the oppressed people. Let the American media tell it, racism doesnt exist in this country and we were the sole creators of the problems we face as a people.

We have to start thinking in ways which are unconvential to us. And going to the UN would be a start. Marches, protests are cool, but it's only one link in the chain and we've been doing that for decades. As MLK said...... “Always anchor our external direct action with the power of economic withdrawal." Petitioning the UN, along with economic empowerment should be the focus. But this mindset needs to be grounded in a collective agenda - collective being the key word. But it begins with awareness. Unfortuately a lot of our "leaders" are spitting, "pray, march and hope". That's only part of it.

1. Awareness - How exactly did we as a people got to where we are in 2013. Who are we? What has been done and who did it?
2. Aggregation - In the physical sense and/or mentally. Practicing group economics. Think tanks. Pooling our rescources etc
3. Agenda - Our declaration. What do we wish to accomplish in terms of economics, education, politics, etc
4. Alternatives - What means do we use to bring about change. Out with the old and in with the new.
5. Action - Self explanatory.

This is some loose, outlined shyt, but this is my two tears in a bucket...

 

[theworldismine13]

how old are you?... not that it's relevant to schools.

why do you ask?

And that movement isn't that large. And in case you haven't noticed..

so,? the movement is large enough and i think it needs to grow, that was my point

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hese charters school receive pubic money-- meaning to a lesser degree they are subject to the same and similar issues as normal public schools.

exactly, the main difference between a public school and a charter is that the charter has local control over hiring and the curriculum

in your other post you were talking about the importance of government schools, charter schools are government schools

Also in case you haven't noticed some of our most productive, most educated, and innovative people in society have came from public education. There are some excellent pubic schools...

yeah i have noticed that, and charter schools are public schools, so what is the problem? the main difference is charter schools are run differently and they allow for creativity and innovation

Our black schools are bad for other reasons and because they receive less resources.. At least here - there are some HS that are like small colleges, and some that are like Prisons. And in some of the worse areas, like Detroit and other major cities...

im not sure what your point is, you are the one that is defending the system, im saying we need to throw the system in the bushes

YES yes you can go to any school, its just that most people really don't give a fukk... and others don't know about it. It's school of choice.

no you cant go to any school, a lot of people are stuck in schools they dont want to be in

So let me get this straight. The public schools ran by the government are crap... so lets use other schools that are also funded by that same government instead - even if many of them are good and many of them are horrible just like the government supported public schools we don't like????

yeah exactly, charter schools give the local administrators more control and they are able to make their own decisions, if the school suks then it should be shut down, if they are good then the parents will send the kids to that school,

About vouchers - that idea isn't new.. that has been around since the 1800's and nations oversees do that all the time.

yeah, and?

We are talking about not integrating and not being consumed by the oppressors.... but the voucher thing popped off in the 1960's to.

vouchers have never been tried in any significant way in the united states, i think you are confused

and yeah vouchers are not integration, vouchers mean a black parent can send their kid to any school they want, this creates an opportunity for black people to operate their own schools

Now southern GOP people are back in full effect pushing this shyt more than anyone - so I'm suspicious.

i wouldnt care if the ideas was being pushed by nazis, the overall concept of vouchers is a good thing

I can see how the voucher system could be good, but ITs so easy to create fukkery and oppression with it - it ridiculous. And if we are acknowledging that the voucher money has to come from the same government that called us 3/5th of human beings - do you really believe that its going to be on the up n up???? Also, not thinking of race and oppression - politically the idea of getting government money to USE indirectly allows for government influence to influence religious and private institutions that are supposed to be private... and that is demonic, especially when that influence is coming from demons.

breh are you smoking crack? you just gave a sermon about the importance of government schools, everything you just said applies to the public schools, you are the one demanding that the government that called you 3/5th educate black children

im saying with vouchers and charters black people can form their own schools

We can fight to increase the standard of pubic education and expectations because the cost of educating is cheaper with public schools per student.

this is a completely meaningless empty statement, its like saying we should feed the hungry children, and eliminate homelessness

i think we can all agree on that, that isnt the issue, the issue is the mechanism and the system to achieve that goal

We can also invest in schools like Muhammad university in Chicago.. I don't know about the religious spin, but ignore that if you can and focus on the fact that they are providing high tech and science education and preparing 100% black student pop with private education that is way beyond what normal kids get. You leave the school advanced if you focus. Above all else - the kids are expected to be on the level of what black parents think black kids should be at - best on Earth, as the originals. Why can't we do this shyt.. they aren't government funded they are more like a homeschool type of situation.

i think you are confused, you are just making my point for me, charters schools and vouchers allow black people to make their own schools, a black parent can use their voucher to go this school that is named after a pedophile if they wish

i dont kid myself to think that i know the solution, fundamentally education is a cultural issue and its the culture that needs to be addressed and that can only be adrressed local and at the grassroots, in other words only black people can fix the education system for black children, but by moving toward charter and vouchers, it will create the open environment needed for creativity and innovation

 

[Blackking]

why do you ask?

perspective.. so?

so,? the movement is large enough and i think it needs to grow, that was my point
exactly, the main difference between a public school and a charter is that the charter has local control over hiring and the curriculum

in your other post you were talking about the importance of government schools, charter schools are government schools

Either way the government has control.... how do the parents get more control when charter schools have student limits.... by default most of us will be in public schools... so why not just fight to increase government funded education overall?

yeah i have noticed that, and charter schools are public schools, so what is the problem? the main difference is charter schools are run differently and they allow for creativity and innovation

They are ran slightly differently. Some of them suck as bad as horrible public schools.. some charter schools cater to drop outs.. some are good.. it's just like public schools on a smaller scale.

im not sure what your point is, you are the one that is defending the system, im saying we need to throw the system in the bushes
no you cant go to any school, a lot of people are stuck in schools they dont want to be in

yeah exactly, charter schools give the local administrators more control and they are able to make their own decisions, if the school suks then it should be shut down, if they are good then the parents will send the kids to that school,

yeah, and?

vouchers have never been tried in any significant way in the united states, i think you are confused

point is we will fall into the same issues... privatizing isn't what is happening.. it's still government. We don't control government so we could never fully control that system.

and just because people don't know they can chose schools, doesn't mean they can't... some just assume they have to go to the school in that area.

and yeah vouchers are not integration, vouchers mean a black parent can send their kid to any school they want, this creates an opportunity for black people to operate their own schools

i wouldnt care if the ideas was being pushed by nazis, the overall concept of vouchers is a good thing

well, lucky for you I'm sure the original voucher plan in America had a few neoNazis pushing for it.

breh are you smoking crack? you just gave a sermon about the importance of government schools, everything you just said applies to the public schools, you are the one demanding that the government that called you 3/5th educate black children

im saying with vouchers and charters black people can form their own schools

No you are saying that we pretend that blacks run their own schools when clearly money controls.. and blacks will not be running shyt. I wasn't saying the pubic school system is so great or important.. just saying the same problems will arise with charters.

this is a completely meaningless empty statement, its like saying we should feed the hungry children, and eliminate homelessness

i think we can all agree on that, that isnt the issue, the issue is the mechanism and the system to achieve that goal

i think you are confused, you are just making my point for me, charters schools and vouchers allow black people to make their own schools, a black parent can use their voucher to go this school that is named after a pedophile if they wish

I guess we can't see how things that receive government funds are subject to all sorts of shyt. Look at how Churches aren't supposed to make political statements n shyt... Schools have even more over watch and standardization... NTM funding is subject to many things... I know black ran and controlled charter schools that became crap within the last 10 years due to government supposedly having cuts back at the local level and just not having certain programs at the fed level. Our knowledge should fall or rise based on if a bill or measure gets passed.

i dont kid myself to think that i know the solution, fundamentally education is a cultural issue and its the culture that needs to be addressed and that can only be adrressed local and at the grassroots, in other words only black people can fix the education system for black children, but by moving toward charter and vouchers, it will create the open environment needed for creativity and innovation

We don't need the religious affiliation, but we need a system that doesn't lean on CAC like the public schools... and doesn't beg and pretend to be controlled by us like a voucher system.. sorta like

 

[Blackking]

@theworldismine13 that's the way that we get the things that u really want. ignore the religious part of is.. that is their preference... but High as hell standards, no nikkas, no saying nikkas, pride, discipline, great culture and madd respect... ijs.

 

[K.O.N.Y]

there seem to be caribbeans and africans responding. LOL you guys already have your own countries. If we were to create this nation, it should only be for the descendants of americans

 

[theworldismine13]

Either way the government has control.... how do the parents get more control when charter schools have student limits.... by default most of us will be in public schools... so why not just fight to increase government funded education overall?

well i would hope the government has control, think the government should strictly regulate charter schools, to make sure the schools meet standards

parents get control by having the choice to send their kid where ever they want to, anybody can open a charter school so that means any black educator that thinks they have a better way of teaching can open up their own school

i dont think government funding is the problem, charter schools and vouchers dont really address school funding,

they address the bureaucracy and the culture

i wouldnt give two pennies to a failing school in a black neighborhood, i think its better to shut it down and start from scratch

They are ran slightly differently. Some of them suck as bad as horrible public schools.. some charter schools cater to drop outs.. some are good.. it's just like public schools on a smaller scale.

yeah because people are trying out different ideas, some ideas will fail some will succeed, the ones that fail should be shut down and the ones that succeed can be used as examples

they arent like public schools because they have more independence

No you are saying that we pretend that blacks run their own schools when clearly money controls.. and blacks will not be running shyt. I wasn't saying the pubic school system is so great or important.. just saying the same problems will arise with charters.

black people are running charter schools and private schools all over the country

and just because people don't know they can chose schools, doesn't mean they can't... some just assume they have to go to the school in that area.

people cant choose schools, i dont know where you got that from, most people are forced to go to the school closest to them

point is we will fall into the same issues... privatizing isn't what is happening.. it's still government. We don't control government so we could never fully control that system.

no it doesnt fall into the same issue, i dont have a problem with government control, what i have a problem is bureaucracy and culture, i think the government should regulate the schools

if you are against government control of schools because the government considers you 3/5 thats fine but then you turn around and say the government should that considers you 3/5 human should give more money to black schools and that they should control the schools

my beef with government control is because of the bureaucracy, i think its simpler of the government gives out vouchers rather than actually run the schools

but lets get it straight my beef with government in education is not political, when i talk about control its not a racial or political argument, im really talking about the bureaucracy that stifles creativity and innovation, i think black educators need more flexibility to teach in black neighborhoods, that is my only point, its not a political/racial argument, to be honest your 3/5 argument and southern gop points are corny and i pretty much dismiss it, and i dont have response to that, if that is your argument that is just an argument to eliminate public schools entirely

well, lucky for you I'm sure the original voucher plan in America had a few neoNazis pushing for it.

thats fine with me

I guess we can't see how things that receive government funds are subject to all sorts of shyt. Look at how Churches aren't supposed to make political statements n shyt... Schools have even more over watch and standardization... NTM funding is subject to many things... I know black ran and controlled charter schools that became crap within the last 10 years due to government supposedly having cuts back at the local level and just not having certain programs at the fed level. Our knowledge should fall or rise based on if a bill or measure gets passed.

We don't need the religious affiliation, but we need a system that doesn't lean on CAC like the public schools... and doesn't beg and pretend to be controlled by us like a voucher system.. sorta like

[/QUOTE]

im not sure what your point is, like i said, i believe we should destroy the current public school system, then you attack me for saying that and now you are talking shyt about the public schools system, i think you need to get your argument straight im not here to defend the current system and i believe in charters and vouchers but i also believe in government regulation and in shutting down failing schools

 

[Blackking]

Someone should create a spin off thread

There needs to be a national conference to decide what this tribal name is going to be. In West Africa, when a baby is born we have what we call an "outdooring" to announce the baby name to all the friends and family. You guys need something like that..on a collective level and it needs to include all the heavyweights it can't be some rag tag group with no national presence or influence. Maybe broadcast on national television (if we/you had a network..that would be the go to) but basically announce to the world this is the name of tribe,these are our goals and aspirations as a people (whether it's to 1) work with your brothers and sisters on the continent as africa is rebuilding and revitalizing our infrastructure and institutions or 2) become more prominent within American society, etc. Whatever it is...it will tell the world this is who we are FOR THE RECORD

You are African? Or are you a black in America?

Regardless, your right.... about most of these points.

 

[Blackking]

well i would hope the government has control, think the government should strictly regulate charter schools, to make sure the schools meet standards

parents get control by having the choice to send their kid where ever they want to, anybody can open a charter school so that means any black educator that thinks they have a better way of teaching can open up their own school

i dont think government funding is the problem, charter schools and vouchers dont really address school funding,

they address the bureaucracy and the culture

i wouldnt give two pennies to a failing school in a black neighborhood, i think its better to shut it down and start from scratch



yeah because people are trying out different ideas, some ideas will fail some will succeed, the ones that fail should be shut down and the ones that succeed can be used as examples

they arent like public schools because they have more independence



black people are running charter schools and private schools all over the country



people cant choose schools, i dont know where you got that from, most people are forced to go to the school closest to them



no it doesnt fall into the same issue, i dont have a problem with government control, what i have a problem is bureaucracy and culture, i think the government should regulate the schools

if you are against government control of schools because the government considers you 3/5 thats fine but then you turn around and say the government should that considers you 3/5 human should give more money to black schools and that they should control the schools

my beef with government control is because of the bureaucracy, i think its simpler of the government gives out vouchers rather than actually run the schools

but lets get it straight my beef with government in education is not political, when i talk about control its not a racial or political argument, im really talking about the bureaucracy that stifles creativity and innovation, i think black educators need more flexibility to teach in black neighborhoods, that is my only point, its not a political/racial argument, to be honest your 3/5 argument and southern gop points are corny and i pretty much dismiss it, and i dont have response to that, if that is your argument that is just an argument to eliminate public schools entirely



thats fine with me

im not sure what your point is, like i said, i believe we should destroy the current public school system, then you attack me for saying that and now you are talking shyt about the public schools system, i think you need to get your argument straight im not here to defend the current system and i believe in charters and vouchers but i also believe in government regulation and in shutting down failing schools

The public school system is flawed.. if we want the government funded charters n shyt then we might as well keep the public school system[/QUOTE]

You can't say I don't want the bureaucracy but then say lets get the government money, welcome the government guidance and standardizations, and all the rest- That is a fantasy world. The money is the reason for the bureaucracy.

The last school that I posted is a completely different thing than what you are talking about... it is not government funded and it's not on the system you are promoting. Did you watch the video? You should watch it. It has nearly everything you promote and most importantly they have very high expectations for black kids. No one can come in tell them what to do... None of the issues that come from Charter schools or Public schools will arise.. School like that can satisfy the needs of all sides.. the c00ns, the elitist, the pro blacks, the Afrocentric folk, and the educated. Also they can cater to science, a religion, a community or whatever is the preference.