The specter that still haunts capitalism

[Tha Sircus]

I think we're just gonna have to agree to disagree and call it a day Breh.

You say I can own my house but not the land it's on? I don't get it.

If I go to work and don't do my job you can easily compare my work to a more productive worker and can measure right there Whom is producing more.

Lol at "restricted" you mean people who don't want to pay for something should get it anyway?


I really wanted you to talk about the
abolition Of money.



@JahFocus CS

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

What is "our music and movies?" In a digital age, why shouldn't entertainment be freely accessible? Why should that be restricted?

You see free access as a principle already on the internet with people freely sharing movies, TV shows, and music. That's communistic. And people love it.

it costs money to make content silly.

and its still illegal, not that it isn't enjoyable.

 

[88m3]

1) Every economy in the world is a mixed economy. Nobody is pure capitalism, socialism or whatever.

2) You put corrupt, greedy people in charge of any system and it will be f*cked.

3) Can you imagine our current crop of politicians leading a mostly "socialist" system With all the wealth and resources centralized it would be like Christmas

they would be purged



Think the Caliphate won't happen.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

they would be purged



Think the Caliphate won't happen.

You're an extreme socialist too?

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Ah yes, communism appeals to the groups who

- Stand to gain the most from it (in the short term)
And
- Know the least about pretty much anything related to individual succees, either due to a lack of experience or a long history of a lack of positive results, due at least in part to factors beyond their control

Capitalism at least offers the opportunity to succeed.... Communism guarantees a life of mediocrity and zero payback for doing anything beyond the bare minimum.

Not to mention the system we live in is far from pure capitalism anyway.

Can't read the article as I'm on vacation on my phone but I don't need to. Pure communism, like any economic theory, INCLUDING CAPITALISM, is garbage with no corrections for real life and human nature. Its colossal failure and devastation in the 20 th century (4x the deaths of the Holocaust for fukks sake) should give its supporters cause to at least consider revising and adapting it for practice in the real world on actual people. All that Marxist textbook theoretical bullshyt is garbage outside of meaningless pontifications and providing some ingredients to insert into a holistic balanced economic system for use in real life

 

[Madvillain]

Ah yes, communism appeals to the groups who

- Stand to gain the most from it (in the short term)
And
- Know the least about pretty much anything related to individual succees, either due to a lack of experience or a long history of a lack of positive results, due at least in part to factors beyond their control

Capitalism at least offers the opportunity to succeed.... Communism guarantees a life of mediocrity and zero payback for doing anything beyond the bare minimum.

Not to mention the system we live in is far from pure capitalism anyway.

Can't read the article as I'm on vacation on my phone but I don't need to. Pure communism, like any economic theory, INCLUDING CAPITALISM, is garbage with no corrections for real life and human nature. Its colossal failure and devastation in the 20 th century (4x the deaths of the Holocaust for fukks sake) should give its supporters cause to at least consider revising and adapting it for practice in the real world on actual people. All that Marxist textbook theoretical bullshyt is garbage outside of meaningless pontifications and providing some ingredients to insert into a holistic balanced economic system for use in real life

You say pure communism then attempt to reference the USSR Same cats who introduced the NEP under Lenin and were arguably state capitalist under Stalin and moved more and more capitalist after.
Marx said "Every step of real movement is more important than a dozen programmes". Dialectical (historical) materialism would be VERY against "meaningless pontifications" and "textbook theory" too.
It's also interesting you bring up the holocaust when "a holocaust of the world’s children takes place every year, because of hunger" under this capitalist mode of production.

 

[mbewane]

1. convincing the poor/middle class to invent things and participate in the largest expansion of capital in human history.
2. no reasonable person even debates this. We live in a mixed economy. Its the hardcore dumbasses fighting revolutions in latin american and south asia calling for extremist total communism. No bueno.
3. There isn't a BETTER way. Thats the answer.

1. Which must explain why inequality is rising in the Western World. Entrepreneurs benefit not only from the wealth accumulated by their parents (have a look at Pickety) but also from the context in which they are born. Hence the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. But the Capitalism mantra is "If you don't make it, you're a lazy motherfukker" with no regard to circumstances whatsoever. Capitalism propaganda will have you believe that the US became top dog by hard work only.
2. Actually a lot of people on this very board (Americans, mostly) believe that European countries are strictly "socialist" while the US would be strictly "capitalist". Both are bullshyt.
3. Which is what all autoritarian regimes say. You prove my point.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

1. Which must explain why inequality is rising in the Western World. Entrepreneurs benefit not only from the wealth accumulated by their parents (have a look at Pickety) but also from the context in which they are born. Hence the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. But the Capitalism mantra is "If you don't make it, you're a lazy motherfukker" with no regard to circumstances whatsoever. Capitalism propaganda will have you believe that the US became top dog by hard work only.
2. Actually a lot of people on this very board (Americans, mostly) believe that European countries are strictly "socialist" while the US would be strictly "capitalist". Both are bullshyt.
3. Which is what all autoritarian regimes say. You prove my point.

1. I'm not gonna quote picketty. Inequality is rising...if you want to ignore a LOT of externalities. Some people in many industries are continuing to struggle due to changes in the entire field of work...not wages that aren't increasing.
2. I've never said this.
3. Again, more hyperbole.

 

[mbewane]

1. I'm not gonna quote picketty. Inequality is rising...if you want to ignore a LOT of externalities. Some people in many industries are continuing to struggle due to changes in the entire field of work...not wages that aren't increasing.
2. I've never said this.
3. Again, more hyperbole.

1. Which is what I'm saying, most supporters of Capitalism totally disregard externalities, which, coincidentally, hit the poor and the middle class more. But since Capitalism mantra is that is works for everyone, then it is the poor and the middle class' fault if they are not rich. Externalities are never brought up by supporters of capitalism, it's always "pull yourself up by your bootstraps", regardless of context. Socialism at least tries to adress social issues and context and, indeed, externalities. Which supports my second point : "capitalist" countries use socialist methods to try to somehwhat reduce the externalities, but will do all kind of mental gymnastics rather than admit those methods are socialist in nature.
2. Never said you did, but you brought up "dumbasses in latin America and in Asia", which has nothing to do with what I say in my original post. Since you brought up dumbasses, I brought up dumbasses in the US.
3. How is it hyperbole? You just did EXACTLY what Capitalists always do : say their is "No other way". Which is the same as saying : My way is THE way, I'm right and you're wrong, end of story. Thus cutting off any form of criticism and alternative. Which is what any authoritarian regime does : cut off any form of criticism and alternative. I know you read and have good knowledge of history, so you must know that an authoritarian regime need not be a dictatorship beheading people. Just look at what happened in the past 30 years to any leader in South America, Africa, Asia, Middle-East or Europe that tried to go another way that the Anglo-Saxon US-style neo-liberalist capitalism.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

You say pure communism then attempt to reference the USSR Same cats who introduced the NEP under Lenin and were arguably state capitalist under Stalin and moved more and more capitalist after.
Marx said "Every step of real movement is more important than a dozen programmes". Dialectical (historical) materialism would be VERY against "meaningless pontifications" and "textbook theory" too.
It's also interesting you bring up the holocaust when "a holocaust of the world’s children takes place every year, because of hunger" under this capitalist mode of production.

And who is to say your implementation of communism will be any better or more pure ( :biggapls: ) THIS time around? And even if you could, what is your empirical evidence that a system that removes all incentive for innovation and effort beyond the bare minimum will result in a better society?

You nikkas live in Marx papers and communism textbooks. Come to the real world

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

@mbewane all entrepreneurs are far from rich. Jesus Christ. I'm leaving this alone until I get back

 

[mbewane]

@mbewane all entrepreneurs are far from rich. Jesus Christ. I'm leaving this alone until I get back

Where did I say they were?

 

[¢apitali$t Migraine]

Fun game: list successful communist countries.....I'll start

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Not only that, but socialists are motherfukking stupid. They fault capitalism for not having the qualities of socialism.

"Bbbut bad shyt is happening in the world!"
"Bbbbut there are still poor people!"
"Bbbut I can't get a job!"
"Bbbbut I have all this debt!"
"Bbbut we have leaders who are corrupt!"

Look, mfer. In a capitalistic society such as this land where the mighty eagle soars, ur paid based on ur ability and contribution to the society at large, aka the economy. Those people are poor because they are uneducated and won't do what the fukk they need to to get the education needed not to be poor. Shanty town it is!

You can't get a job because ur dumb ass majored in Glass Dildo Blowing and, surprisingly, the market for that wasn't sustainable. Should the govt develop a billion dollar a year program to employ Glass Dildo Blowing graduates? fukk u, u picked the wrong fukking major, get a certification at a technical school n work off some of that debt, a$$hole.

Ah, yes, debt. U want something for nothing, shythead? Cuz if we do it ur way, I give u a goat in exchange for u raking the leaves in my yard every day for a week. Then wtf am I supposed to do when u can't rake my leaves? Ur still using my goat, fakkit! Ur ankle sprained n u can't rake my leaves but ur ass can get up n milk my goat so u can have some goddamn Cinnamon Toast Crunch while u look at my fukked up yard. Nah, nikka, gimme the loot, and get ready to sign over ur first born's college education if u play cute with me.

Corrupt govt officials is one of the beauties of this fine democracy. nikkas get to the top because they put in the work to get there, even if it meant lying n kissing ass. Wtf do u want us to do, pick govt officials at random from a goddamn hat? Human nature is corrupt. The concept of family is goddamned corrupt, u b*stard. Most of ur brothers and sisters ain't worth a shyt, but you'll give them nikkas $100 for a shiny pharoah t-shirt from Dillard's before u give a real nikka with proven ability $5 for gas to get to work.

Corruption is only rooted out when nikkas with greater ability gather enough power to launch them corrupt mfers into space. Then the whistleblowers become corrupt, n rinse n repeat. The cycle is there in every facet of governance, think of it as exercise; u do curls with 10lb dumbbells in city council til u fix enough shyt n get strong enough for 25lb dumbbells at the State House, then u fix that shyt n succeed enough to start bench pressing 250 with the feds until, maybe, just maybe, ur ass ends up having an ownership in the whole goddamn gym n ur telling all the little fukktards working out what the fukk they can and can't do to get strong in the gym.

Man, socialists are a buncha irresponsible ass nikkas who want something for fukking free. Didn't they just show that a big ass percentage of college graduates ain't paid ONE DOLLAR back on their school loans? Coincidentally these are the same a$$holes in Guy Fawkes masks shouting for the workers of the world to unite. shyt, look at the wack ass nikkas who benefit from socialist programs in the US. Ain't no exceptionally gifted computer engineers with strong work ethics swipin they EBT at the arab store for sunflower seeds. Mfers is lazy, shyt, the a$$holes who are proponents of socialism in this country won't even pick up a gun to start the goddamn revolution. They playin Call of Duty on a motherfukking $600 gaming console mad at the man cuz they can't pay their fukking bills.

 

[JahFocus CS]

I will reply to a few posts when I get home from work tonight, but it is amazing that people on here think it is crucial to unite on the basis of race (a fukking imaginary concept, albeit one that has real effects) but not even possible or worthwhile to unite on the basis of shared material interests (class struggle by the working class).

Newsflash, racism isn't going ANYWHERE as long as we have capitalism.

 

[JahFocus CS]

At the end of the day most people ing for capitalism will die with very little property after having worked their entire lives.