The specter that still haunts capitalism

[JahFocus CS]

Use Wikipedia as a source Brehs

You won't read any books I list or any articles/sites I direct you to, so why would I put a ton of effort into it? If you're unwilling and don't care to learn, then

Those Wiki entries would be good starting points for you if you ever cared to dig deeper than your high school textbook/what you hear on the TV news.

 

[Tha Sircus]

@Swavy Karl Marx


Breh you didn't say those terms with communism thrown on the end. You said anarchism and libertarianism


That's why we had miscommunication

 

[DEAD7]

You won't read any books I list or any articles/sites I direct you to, so why would I put a ton of effort into it? If you're unwilling and don't care to learn, then

Those Wiki entries would be good starting points for you if you ever cared to dig deeper than your high school textbook/what you hear on the TV news.

 

[Tha Sircus]

You won't read any books I list or any articles/sites I direct you to, so why would I put a ton of effort into it? If you're unwilling and don't care to learn, then

Those Wiki entries would be good starting points for you if you ever cared to dig deeper than your high school textbook/what you hear on the TV news.

Breh I don't like the attitude you just displayed. I'm always open to learn so if you bring proper sources id be more than happy to read and boraden my horizons on socialism.

But don't assume that the only research and information I have comes from mass produced text books and Faux news

 

[Tha Sircus]

Ikr

 

[JahFocus CS]

you made it seem like capitalists were the only ones with militaries
Depends on the country

Your definitions of exploitation are absurd.

You're free to live in communist china...as long as its got a capitalistic arm, right?

You shouldn't have any problem with that

unskilled = replaceable


I'm not indian

I do speak against class solidarity in some cases, especially when people dont take their own efforts to move out of their situation

Mind you, in capitalism, you have that choice. In socialism, you CANT

I disagree. Not all people have equal claims.


Charity is voluntary, not forced reallocation, so no your little unicorn scenario doesn't live up to expectations.


What's lavish?
Most small businesses struggle to keep everyone on payroll, much less keep the lights on.


Higher levels can't be attained if everyone is on your same level. Didn't you just say this?

Wage slavery is working in Qatar building stadiums. Not working at Walmart.


Blame the citizens.

Not if every comparison of yours is unchecked hyperbole.


OK, Comrade

Police and militaries are the enforcers of class rule. They are arms of the state. In today's world that means most of them defend capitalism.

What's your definition of exploitation? The Marxist definition is clear and scientific. It isn't a moralistic or emotional definition.

Okay Apu

Socialism is a different mode of production. Why can't I go around raiding towns and taking the loot? (because this isn't the Viking era) Why can't I hold slaves? (because this isn't slavery) Why can't I hire other people to work for me while I take the majority of the proceeds of their labor? (because the working class liberated itself from exploitation)

Yeah, what I described would be charity. Someone would be giving the fruit of their labor to someone else.

Who was talking specifically about small businesses? Nonetheless, the point still stands. You'll be hard pressed to find a business owner with a worse standard of living (materially) and less wealth than those working in the organization.

Higher levels would be attained collectively. New technological developments would still be achieved. More food, more houses, etc. Cleaner air, cleaner water, etc. Workers decide what they want and produce it... not their boss deciding what gets produced and they labor away so the boss gets richer

 

[JahFocus CS]

Breh I don't like the attitude you just displayed. I'm always open to learn so if you bring proper sources id be more than happy to read and boraden my horizons on socialism.

But don't assume that the only research and information I have comes from mass produced text books and Faux news

I apologize. You casually dismissed the links I had provided - did you read them? There is good content there. Just because it is on Wikipedia doesn't mean it is false... Wiki is just a starting point.

I am more than happy to honestly engage in a constructive discussion and answer legitimate questions and provide good sources.

 

[JahFocus CS]

Putting the WOAT on Ignore

 

[Tha Sircus]

I apologize. You casually dismissed the links I had provided - did you read them? There is good content there. Just because it is on Wikipedia doesn't mean it is false... Wiki is just a starting point.

I am more than happy to honestly engage in a constructive discussion and answer legitimate questions and provide good sources.

I accept your apology and I will now take a look at those wiki links.


I'll get back to you with my thoughts

 

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@Swavy Karl Marx


Breh you didn't say those terms with communism thrown on the end. You said anarchism and libertarianism


That's why we had miscommunication

Aight breh, just know that those terms originally meant leftist ideologies. Anarchism still does. American libertarianism is reactionary nonsense pushed by neo confederates and anarcho-capitalism is contradictory drivel.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Police and militaries are the enforcers of class rule. They are arms of the state. In today's world that means most of them defend capitalism.

Not internally

What are you takling about?

What's your definition of exploitation? The Marxist definition is clear and scientific. It isn't a moralistic or emotional definition.

Again, so what is it?

Socialism is a different mode of production. Why can't I go around raiding towns and taking the loot? (because this isn't the Viking era) Why can't I hold slaves? (because this isn't slavery) Why can't I hire other people to work for me while I take the majority of the proceeds of their labor? (because the working class liberated itself from exploitation)

If they're the "working class" that are so "liberated" why are they looking for work? The owner of the business gave the the chance to earn money, did they not? And not all jobs carry the same risk to meeting the goals of the business.

Yeah, what I described would be charity. Someone would be giving the fruit of their labor to someone else.

You assumed it would be universally and automatically done. Not so. Not remotely so.

Who was talking specifically about small businesses? Nonetheless, the point still stands. You'll be hard pressed to find a business owner with a worse standard of living (materially) and less wealth than those working in the organization.

Depends on the industry, and for good reason.

Higher levels would be attained collectively.

This makes no sense. A floor that raises everyone doesnt raise anything.

New technological developments would still be achieved.

No they wouldn't. No one would be incentivized to branch out or even permitted to since you couldn't convince people to work for your vision.

More food, more houses, etc. Cleaner air, cleaner water, etc. Workers decide what they want and produce it... not their boss deciding what gets produced and they labor away so the boss gets richer

Theres not just one "boss" you know. Theres stratification of labor used to account for responsibility the complexity of different tasks.

Guys in the sales floor of your local Verizon don't make more than the manager of a distrct of verizon stores etc.

 

[Tha Sircus]

Aight breh, just know that those terms originally meant leftist ideologies. Anarchism still does. American libertarianism is reactionary nonsense pushed by neo confederates and anarcho-capitalism is contradictory drivel.

Why do you have to insult something if you don't agree with it?

 

[JahFocus CS]

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@Melbournelad @Swavy Karl Marx

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Why do you have to insult something if you don't agree with it?

Its what he does.

I don't submit to ridiculous hyperbole and a lot of people on here can't handle to get any legitimate pushback.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

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@Melbournelad @Swavy Karl Marx

Its easier than having to sus out what you really think you know whenever you get any pushback.