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The real reason Rocafella broke up is because Hov didn't want Biggs around- Dame Dash
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Ozymandeas
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If Jay offered Dame back into the circle(in whatever capacity)he would run tonight. There’s no moral principle or self pride, he’s just bitter hes not in the clique no more. Same thing with bum ass Dehavan. You think they want to be doing YouTube and Instagram interviews that get hundreds of views every week?
It burns his soul to see OG’s like OG Juan, Ty Ty, Bleek, Emory winning cause he can’t even use the “disloyal” argument
I don't think he would honestly. Dame has too much ego. The Roc was always going to break up imo. They started off like the hood version of Warner Brothers (which was obviously started by a family of brothers who all had equal say) but as Jay gained power and notoriety, he didn't want to split decision making with Dame and Biggs anymore nor put up with Dame's personality. And he shouldn't have to. But Dame shouldve been shrewd enough to know that Jay was gonna pull that move once got famous enough. It was hella obvious in hindsight. And a better business man wouldve peeped game and set himself up with other investments once Jay started acting funny. Like there's zero reason why Dame shouldn't have had the same investment track record that Nas had except Dame was sleeping. Going on....I'm not mad Dame wouldn't sell the Reasonable Doubt masters. Jay was acting like he did it all alone when Biggs and Dame saw it more like a startup business they founded together. With all that said, Dame is not gonna go be a kiss ass to Jay and act like he's Maverick Carter to Jay's LeBron. Not when they all built a 9 figure business together. Is it smart? IDK. But if Dame was smarter, he would've never ended up in that situation in the first place.
Turning down a guaranteed 1.5 million from Jay out of spite and now getting zero is the type of move a dumbass that Dame makes
Ozymandeas
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Turning down a guaranteed 1.5 million from Jay out of spite and now getting zero is the type of move a dumbass that Dame makes
That's you looking at it from a regular average nikka's perspective.
I don't understand why yall do this instead of thinking critically and through the other person's perspective.
Dame would've had $20 million at that point. Maybe more. His bank account is loaded. Why would he need $1.5 million from Jay to take away the first album they did when all three of them started the business together? If I started a business with my boys and we had to hustle for 3 years to get something out, hell nah i'm not giving you 100% of it. It's the principle.
if his account was loaded that shyt wouldn't have went to auction
Ozymandeas
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obviously talking about 20 years ago when it first happened
Dame will never get anyone to give him that check again, he turned that down because he’s bitter out of spite.
Now it was seized by the state, sold and he didn’t get a dime from that. That’s the type of something a stupid person does.
You really think dame has 20 million dollars or is loaded
Ozymandeas
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Dame will never get anyone to give him that check again, he turned that down because he’s bitter out of spite.
Now it was seized by the state, sold and he didn’t get a dime from that. That’s the type of something a stupid person does.
You really think dame has 20 million dollars or is loaded
FOR THE LAST TIME, IM TALKING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN THE 2000S
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More business deals started to fall through shortly after, including plans for a Harlem amusement park called Roc-A-Fella Great Adventure: The Roc Venture, and a Roc-A-Fella film based on the label’s rise. So by the time Dame and Hov renewed Roc-A-Fella’s contract with Def Jam for a reported $20 million in 2004, things were at a boiling point. The massive payday was $19 million higher than the label’s original 1997 deal, but Dame was reportedly blindsided after Hov called to meet Dame at an upscale New York restaurant. Jay had been appointed as Def Jam’s President and CEO. The remaining 50 percent stake in Roc-A-Fella had been sold to Def Jam, and Dame viewed Jay’s move as the ultimate betrayal.
“At a certain point, I got ready to depend on my other artists,” Dame said of that moment in a 2006 interview with NY Mag. “I started putting together an army—Kanye, Cam’ron, Beanie, the Diplomats. I figured Jay gave me time to prepare.”
Dame also pleaded to be left with the Roc-A-Fella name.
“Go ahead and take the money and the job, but don’t take the name—don’t take Roc-A-Fella with you,” Dame told NY Mag. “I didn’t say please, but I might as well have.”
Jay offered that Dame could hold on to the Roc-A-Fella name only if he gave over the masters to Reasonable Doubt. Dame refused to do it.
“He said, ‘It’s business,'” Dame told the magazine. “But we were always supposed to be about more than business, Jay especially…I did everything I possibly could so that he didn’t have to raise his voice. He just had to whisper something in my ear and I’d take care of it. The people I fought with to make money for him, Lyor Cohen and Kevin Liles, he’s made friends with. He hangs out with Puff now. It’s like if your brother leaves you.”
I don't blame Dame for not selling Reasonable Doubt. You misunderstood what I said. During this time frame....2004, 2005....Dame was not hurting for money. He had no reason to give Jay anything
Ozymandeas
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You start a business with your boys....yall own 50% together.
The cacs at Def Jam own the other 50%.
You and one of the other partners start beefing.
He snakes you by becoming CEO of Def Jam so now he owns the other 50% too. He now owns 60-70% of the business YALL started.
Weirdos online ask why you dont wanna go to this guy 20 years later and beg for a job.
Same nikkas probably fell out with friends and family over $300 asking why Dame is spiteful
IMO, someone should've sat Dame down a long time ago and told him to move on. With the money he had left over post-Rocafella, he had plenty of resources to get something going. Maybe he wouldn't be as rich as Hov but, he could've had something.
The cacs at Def Jam own the other 50%.
You and one of the other partners start beefing.
He snakes you by becoming CEO of Def Jam so now he owns the other 50% too. He now owns 60-70% of the business YALL started.
Weirdos online ask why you dont wanna go to this guy 20 years later and beg for a job.
Same nikkas probably fell out with friends and family over $300 asking why Dame is spiteful
IMO, someone should've sat Dame down a long time ago and told him to move on. With the money he had left over post-Rocafella, he had plenty of resources to get something going. Maybe he wouldn't be as rich as Hov but, he could've had something.
chunky_mcdaniels
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They chose not to have a relationship, stop with all this 'Jay dictates the terms bullshyt.' They fell out, that's what happens?
Just because they would pick up, doesn't mean they're cool at all. You gotta stop jerking men off, it's foul.
You start a business with your boys....yall own 50% together.
The cacs at Def Jam own the other 50%.
You and one of the other partners start beefing.
He snakes you by becoming CEO of Def Jam so now he owns the other 50% too. He now owns 60-70% of the business YALL started.
Weirdos online ask why you dont wanna go to this guy 20 years later and beg for a job.
Same nikkas probably fell out with friends and family over $300 asking why Dame is spiteful
IMO, someone should've sat Dame down a long time ago and told him to move on. With the money he had left over post-Rocafella, he had plenty of resources to get something going. Maybe he wouldn't be as rich as Hov but, he could've had something.
He misspent or badly invested all that money way back when. He's delusional. He's been off longer than he was ever on.
Dame got a crazy severance package, because he became a liability. Jay cut him out but did it in a way that he still got paid. Could have gone on and done other things, but he just ate himself alive, because he's really a promo and marketing guy, he's not a business guy. He's a smoke a mirrors bullshyt artist like every other party promoter I ever knew. An exceptionally talented and lucky one.
Ozymandeas
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I agree with that. That's where my empathy for Dame runs out. He could've taken all that post-Rocafella money and invested like Nas did.
I was saying in here, but it's been 20 years since I read it in XXL or wherever, it was like 50 million? The Roc A Fella buy out. The Roc A Wear buy out. Dame got cashed out, and fumbled.
He first tried DDMG music group, which released The B. Coming, but because all the artists besides Sigel went with Jay, he had nothing else. Then Sigel went to the feds for 18 months and that was over. He went back to Roc/Def Jam.
He was offered this money years ago and turned it down. Not the early 00’sFOR THE LAST TIME, IM TALKING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN THE 2000S
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More business deals started to fall through shortly after, including plans for a Harlem amusement park called Roc-A-Fella Great Adventure: The Roc Venture, and a Roc-A-Fella film based on the label’s rise. So by the time Dame and Hov renewed Roc-A-Fella’s contract with Def Jam for a reported $20 million in 2004, things were at a boiling point. The massive payday was $19 million higher than the label’s original 1997 deal, but Dame was reportedly blindsided after Hov called to meet Dame at an upscale New York restaurant. Jay had been appointed as Def Jam’s President and CEO. The remaining 50 percent stake in Roc-A-Fella had been sold to Def Jam, and Dame viewed Jay’s move as the ultimate betrayal.
“At a certain point, I got ready to depend on my other artists,” Dame said of that moment in a 2006 interview with NY Mag. “I started putting together an army—Kanye, Cam’ron, Beanie, the Diplomats. I figured Jay gave me time to prepare.”
Dame also pleaded to be left with the Roc-A-Fella name.
“Go ahead and take the money and the job, but don’t take the name—don’t take Roc-A-Fella with you,” Dame told NY Mag. “I didn’t say please, but I might as well have.”
Jay offered that Dame could hold on to the Roc-A-Fella name only if he gave over the masters to Reasonable Doubt. Dame refused to do it.
“He said, ‘It’s business,'” Dame told the magazine. “But we were always supposed to be about more than business, Jay especially…I did everything I possibly could so that he didn’t have to raise his voice. He just had to whisper something in my ear and I’d take care of it. The people I fought with to make money for him, Lyor Cohen and Kevin Liles, he’s made friends with. He hangs out with Puff now. It’s like if your brother leaves you.”
I don't blame Dame for not selling Reasonable Doubt. You misunderstood what I said. During this time frame....2004, 2005....Dame was not hurting for money. He had no reason to give Jay anything
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He did that because he’s a bitter dumbass
chunky_mcdaniels
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Well said.
Lot of infatuation happening with a branding and pr machine.
Not a lot of rational thought process or capacity to conceptualise people falling out over business, but more so principles. .