The real reason Rocafella broke up is because Hov didn't want Biggs around- Dame Dash

[vdfebduderocks]

Roc-A-Fella was done once the joint venture model that Def Jam championed was effectively destroyed because of the Internet.

 

[Street Knowledge]

They chose not to have a relationship, stop with all this 'Jay dictates the terms bullshyt.' They fell out, that's what happens?

Just because they would pick up, doesn't mean they're cool at all. You gotta stop jerking men off, it's foul.

Yeah because Jay cut them off. If Jay called tmr they would answer unless you think they like doing these YouTube videos that get 400 views as revenue

 

[Street Knowledge]

I was saying in here, but it's been 20 years since I read it in XXL or wherever, it was like 50 million? The Roc A Fella buy out. The Roc A Wear buy out. Dame got cashed out, and fumbled.

He first tried DDMG music group, which released The B. Coming, but because all the artists besides Sigel went with Jay, he had nothing else. Then Sigel went to the feds for 18 months and that was over. He went back to Roc/Def Jam.

Dame blew the Rocafella money on failed business ventures and lawsuits because he’s stupid

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

Yeah because Jay cut them off. If Jay called tmr they would answer unless you think they like doing these YouTube videos that get 400 views as revenue

Extremely predictable response.

Nobody cut anything off because they fell out you ignoramus. Pointless discussing anything with sycophants.

 

[Ozymandeas]

Well said.

Lot of infatuation happening with a branding and pr machine.

Not a lot of rational thought process or capacity to conceptualise people falling out over business, but more so principles. .

I don't understand why people can't put themselves in other people's shoes.

I'll never fault Dame for being mad/spiteful towards Jay.

Because Jay did play him. It was an elite, movie-worthy, cinema-level move but, he played him nonetheless.

I'll only fault Dame for not being a better businessman because he could've got something going afterwards.

 

[Street Knowledge]

Extremely predictable response.

Nobody cut anything off because they fell out you ignoramus. Pointless discussing anything with sycophants.

You probably still think Dame is a smart business man

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

I don't understand why people can't put themselves in other people's shoes.

I'll never fault Dame for being mad/spiteful towards Jay.

Because Jay did play him. It was an elite, movie-worthy, cinema-level move but, he played him nonetheless.

I'll only fault Dame for not being a better businessman because he could've got something going afterwards.

Exactly.

It's completely acceptable to acknowledge all the machinations and elements of a fallout, yet still provide a well considered, diplomatic point of view as to why people aren't cool anymore.

I find it perplexing that people have to be so ardently one sided regarding people they don't know or have anything to do with? Why is not possible to understand that people have principles, irrespective of cash, or how much they've blown it?

In Dame and De Havens cases, they've known Jay when he was their little buddy, it's not hard to conceptualise that their relationships with him are different to the publics understanding of what goes on. Their little man fukked them over, ofcourse they're not fukking with him.

It doesn't have any other meaning to it aside from that.

 

[re'up]

Jay out maneuvered him when things got shifty. True

Jay was also the talent and a better networker, which we can all see now. But, Jay did it the 'legally' ethical way and he got a major payout. He went over his head and check mated him. But, he didn't double cross him and leave him with nothing. He got a fair share. And Jay got rid of the dead weight.

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

You probably still think Dame is a smart business man

No, I dont whatsoever? What I'm capable of however, is looking at something and making an informed opinion, not taking either side, not dikkriding.

Clearly not something you're remotely capable of. Infatuated by a branding machine. You're no better than the Canadians with Drake ffs.

 

[Ozymandeas]

He misspent or badly invested all that money way back when. He's delusional. He's been off longer than he was ever on.

Dame got a crazy severance package, because he became a liability. Jay cut him out but did it in a way that he still got paid. Could have gone on and done other things, but he just ate himself alive, because he's really a promo and marketing guy, he's not a business guy. He's a smoke a mirrors bullshyt artist like every other party promoter I ever knew. An exceptionally talented and lucky one.

I agree with that too. Dame is more of a marketer. But yea, he had plenty of opportunities. There's zero reason that Nas invested in Bitcoin, Ring, Dropbox, Lyft, Robinhood, etc., making multi-millions, and Dame is out there trying to sell cookies. I think Nas about to build a casino in Queens too. If Dame was a better businessman, he would've had a casino in Harlem.

 

[re'up]

Roc-A-Fella was done once the joint venture model that Def Jam championed was effectively destroyed because of the Internet.

This is where major labels backed smaller ones headed by artists with distribution and marketing capital right? Then did a split on the profits?

The internet crippled this because albums didn't sell as much? Rap, the Roc A Fella style esp. was trending way way down by 2005. Guys like Bleek and Beanie weren't even going gold anymore.

 

[re'up]

I agree with that too. Dame is more of a marketer. But yea, he had plenty of opportunities. There's zero reason that Nas invested in Bitcoin, Ring, Dropbox, Lyft, Robinhood, etc., making multi-millions, and Dame is out there trying to sell cookies. I think Nas about to build a casino in Queens too. If Dame was a better businessman, he would've had a casino in Harlem.

Had a best friend from high school, who was kinda like a Dame, in some ways.

-Sold cd's made a little money

- Started selling weed, made more money

-Got a business degree

-Started selling t shirts, did not make money

- Started selling real estate, made some money

-Was a nightclub promoter

but at some point he caught the Dame Dash syndrome, where everything was a business idea, and he tried all of them. Laundry/mobile dry cleaning. Drone photography. SEO/marketing. Website development. Blogging. Moving company. Drop shipping company. Marijuana concentrate business. Edibles. Canabis water. Throwing events. Party promoting. Canabis clothing line. And he would pivot out of one and into another. And that eventually kinda wiped him out. He had the vision, and was ahead of his time on a lot of those, but he didn't do the ground work, and the turning profits part. It was a lot of marketing and hype. But he had that ambition and ability to inspire, that Dame had way back when.

 

[Street Knowledge]

No, I dont whatsoever? What I'm capable of however, is looking at something and making an informed opinion, not taking either side, not dikkriding.

Clearly not something you're remotely capable of. Infatuated by a branding machine. You're no better than the Canadians with Drake ffs.

The Informed opinion is that Dame is a bum when he’s not standing next to Jay Z. We have 20 years of evidence now

 

[L. Deezy]

but Jay is still boys with Biggs tho , one of his closest friends. Whats Dame talking about?

Is he? You never see Biggs wit Jay. He just has a job a Rocnation..thats it

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

The Informed opinion is that Dame is a bum when he’s not standing next to Jay Z. We have 20 years of evidence now

Very original .