The real reason Rocafella broke up is because Hov didn't want Biggs around- Dame Dash

[gho3st]

Is he? You never see Biggs wit Jay. He just has a job a Rocnation..thats it

https://www.justjared.com/2019/01/22/jay-z-beyonce-diddy-more-celebrate-biggs-burke-birthday-at-private-dinner/

 

[threattonature]

I don't understand why people can't put themselves in other people's shoes.

I'll never fault Dame for being mad/spiteful towards Jay.

Because Jay did play him. It was an elite, movie-worthy, cinema-level move but, he played him nonetheless.

I'll only fault Dame for not being a better businessman because he could've got something going afterwards.

It's funny you keep saying this while also failing to put yourself in Jay's shoes. You keep saying he snaked Dame but ignore why he wanted to get away from Dame. Obviously Dame has a huge ego and it appeared to be out of control at that time. Dame was flipping on people in and out of the company. Spending reckless. Dame admitted to stealing money out of the account set up for Reasonable Doubt royalties. Siegel said Dame was stealing money from State Property. Dame was making moves without consulting his partners. Why the fukk would Jay want to stay partnered up with that? And Jay offered Dame all of Roc-a-fella. If he was truly trying to snake Dame he didn't have to offer that. Reasonable Doubt doesn't make that much money. From the outside he appears to be a more than reasonable offer just for the masters of Reasonable Doubt but Dame was being spiteful and rejected it because he wanted to hurt Jay because Jay wanted to move on.

 

[Big Boss]

 

[King Harlem]

You start a business with your boys....yall own 50% together.

The cacs at Def Jam own the other 50%.

You and one of the other partners start beefing.

He snakes you by becoming CEO of Def Jam so now he owns the other 50% too. He now owns 60-70% of the business YALL started.

Weirdos online ask why you dont wanna go to this guy 20 years later and beg for a job.

Same nikkas probably fell out with friends and family over $300 asking why Dame is spiteful

IMO, someone should've sat Dame down a long time ago and told him to move on. With the money he had left over post-Rocafella, he had plenty of resources to get something going. Maybe he wouldn't be as rich as Hov but, he could've had something.

This is what always confuses me. Was Jay not supposed to take the Def Jam job? Was he supposed to ask Dame for permission?

 

[Ziggiy]

nikkas in here acting like Dame made ANY right moves after the break up to be talking down on Biggs are the reason this 50 year old clown can still go on YouTube sprouting bullshyt.

Dame is a failure. Period.

Any conversation, interview, rhetoric, or speech that comes out of his mouth should be looked at from the vantage point of a bitter, disillusioned, failure.

Ya’ll can say what ya’ll want about Biggs but coming out of jail, making peace with Hov, and getting himself back into position where he doesn’t have to cry over losing 1/3 ownership of a 30 year old album while his dentures fall out of his mouth and the feds knock on his door because he’s a deadbeat father who didn’t pay millions in child support sounds like smartening up to me.


Jay wasn’t the problem
Biggs wasn’t the problem
Def Jam wasn’t the problem
Steve Stoute wasn’t the problem
Aaliyah’s ghost wasn’t the problem

DAME was the problem. And DAME is the problem. Which is why DAME is a failure.

 

[Ozymandeas]

This is what always confuses me. Was Jay not supposed to take the Def Jam job? Was he supposed to ask Dame for permission?

IDK. Tell me how you'd react if your business partner did that? And would you do that to your business partner?

It was a shrewd move. Ill give Hov that

 

[Ozymandeas]

It's funny you keep saying this while also failing to put yourself in Jay's shoes. You keep saying he snaked Dame but ignore why he wanted to get away from Dame. Obviously Dame has a huge ego and it appeared to be out of control at that time. Dame was flipping on people in and out of the company. Spending reckless. Dame admitted to stealing money out of the account set up for Reasonable Doubt royalties. Siegel said Dame was stealing money from State Property. Dame was making moves without consulting his partners. Why the fukk would Jay want to stay partnered up with that? And Jay offered Dame all of Roc-a-fella. If he was truly trying to snake Dame he didn't have to offer that. Reasonable Doubt doesn't make that much money. From the outside he appears to be a more than reasonable offer just for the masters of Reasonable Doubt but Dame was being spiteful and rejected it because he wanted to hurt Jay because Jay wanted to move on.

If I was Jay, I can't see myself going around Biggs and Dame to get Def Jam's shares so I can be majority owner.

That's like so far outside of who I am as a person. I would feel guilty doing my partners like that.

But to your point, I empathized with Jay. That's why I said he's allowed to go off on his own. He is entitled to running his own shop 100%. I also could've sworn I said earlier that Jay had the right to not want to deal with Dame's personality anymore. So your criticism is unwarranted.

If it was ME though....I would've taken the Def Jam job but, I would've found another way to figure out the Rocafella split. I also wouldn't have been upset about the Reasonable Doubt Masters because I would've acknowledged that Me, Dame & Biggs were selling that album out of our trunk. I didn't do it alone. It was less of MY Album and more of OUR business. Im the kinda nikka that I try not to do people dirty and if I had Hov's wealth and power at that point in time, there's no need to dig the knife in further. You already won. I would've been more concerned about all the shyt I was about to do Post-Rocafella so I would've divided everything as equally as possible and moved on.

 

[King Harlem]

If I was Jay, I can't see myself going around Biggs and Dame to get Def Jam's shares so I can be majority owner.

That's like so far outside of who I am as a person. I would feel guilty doing my partners like that.

But to your point, I empathized with Jay. That's why I said he's allowed to go off on his own. He is entitled to running his own shop 100%. I also could've sworn I said earlier that Jay had the right to not want to deal with Dame's personality anymore. So your criticism is unwarranted.

If it was ME though....I would've taken the Def Jam job but, I would've found another way to figure out the Rocafella split. I also wouldn't have been upset about the Reasonable Doubt Masters because I would've acknowledged that Me, Dame & Biggs were selling that album out of our trunk. I didn't do it alone. It was less of MY Album and more of OUR business. Im the kinda nikka that I try not to do people dirty and if I had Hov's wealth and power at that point in time, there's no need to dig the knife in further. You already won. I would've been more concerned about all the shyt I was about to do Post-Rocafella so I would've divided everything as equally as possible and moved on.

This is the part I never really knew exactly what happened. So, Jay became the President of Def Jam and was able to take their 50% stake plus his 16% and became the majority owner? Does this mean that it was only Jay's decision to sell the remaining 50% of Rocafella to Def Jam since he was now the majority stakeholder or was it a group decision?

 

[Cladyclad]

This is the part I never really knew exactly what happened. So, Jay became the President of Def Jam and was able to take their 50% stake plus his 16% and became the majority owner? Does this mean that it was only Jay's decision to sell the remaining 50% of Rocafella to Def Jam since he was now the majority stakeholder or was it a group decision?

def jam owned 100%

They sold the last 50% to def jam in 2004 before the break up

Group decision

 

[King Harlem]

def jam owned 100%

They sold the last 50% to def jam in 2004 before the break up

Group decision

I always thought it was a group decision. If that's the case, I still don't understand how Jay taking the Def Jam job was some type of snake move. Or even why people are talking about why the roc broke up. Jay got the Def Jam job. That's why they broke up.

 

[DontEemTry]

I think if you really read between the lines and really listen to Dame, every now and then you can tell that from jump he never really thought much of Jay-Z. From him going after the women Jay was interested in, to him calling him "his artist", to him taking credit for all the successes and blaming Jay for all the failures, to him making Cam VP unilaterally, to him saying Jay was cosplaying Dame in the Big Pimpin video etc etc.

Jay simply had enough and had to stunt on that nikka. He kinda overdid it though

 

[Cladyclad]

I always thought it was a group decision. If that's the case, I still don't understand how Jay taking the Def Jam job was some type of snake move. Or even why people are talking about why the roc broke up. Jay got the Def Jam job. That's why they broke up.

Its Jay Z brother

 

[Trajan]

The problem with Dame is he thinks he's clever than he is

That's how he blew all his money trying to turn 10s of millions into a billion instead of chilling. He loves the image of being a boss...which is why he plasters the word CEO all over his clothing

What I want to know is how Biggs went broke that he resorted to selling weed

I couldn't go from being someone's peer to flunky/worker

Jay seems to enjoy employing his former peers/bosses then letting them know who's in charge

 

[ajnapoleon]

I think if you really read between the lines and really listen to Dame, every now and then you can tell that from jump he never really thought much of Jay-Z. From him going after the women Jay was interested in, to him calling him "his artist", to him taking credit for all the successes and blaming Jay for all the failures, to him making Cam VP unilaterally, to him saying Jay was cosplaying Dame in the Big Pimpin video etc etc.

Jay simply had enough and had to stunt on that nikka. He kinda overdid it though

I agree he thought he could do whatever and Jay would not have said nothing

I can’t name one other rapper that would have stayed that long

Dame figured “damn Jay not saying anything so….)


That’s why it shocked dame like damn you was supposed to just take the disrespect


Can you imagine
50
Nas
E-40 etc…

In jays spot and let dame do all that?

 

[ajnapoleon]

If I was Jay, I can't see myself going around Biggs and Dame to get Def Jam's shares so I can be majority owner.

That's like so far outside of who I am as a person. I would feel guilty doing my partners like that.

But to your point, I empathized with Jay. That's why I said he's allowed to go off on his own. He is entitled to running his own shop 100%. I also could've sworn I said earlier that Jay had the right to not want to deal with Dame's personality anymore. So your criticism is unwarranted.

If it was ME though....I would've taken the Def Jam job but, I would've found another way to figure out the Rocafella split. I also wouldn't have been upset about the Reasonable Doubt Masters because I would've acknowledged that Me, Dame & Biggs were selling that album out of our trunk. I didn't do it alone. It was less of MY Album and more of OUR business. Im the kinda nikka that I try not to do people dirty and if I had Hov's wealth and power at that point in time, there's no need to dig the knife in further. You already won. I would've been more concerned about all the shyt I was about to do Post-Rocafella so I would've divided everything as equally as possible and moved on.

Nah I would have twisted the knife even further

These are the thing we know of

Dame was doing some foul shyt the more we put together

At some point Jay got tired and said “oh you wanna play ok let’s play”


Why does the person with the most always have to be the better man?

Let’s not act like dame was a angel that’s the issue dame likes to act like he don’t nothing wrong