The real reason Rocafella broke up is because Hov didn't want Biggs around- Dame Dash

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Jay been having Juan around him. Juan was his connect in the streets also.

He was around Jay as far back as 2000 in rap shyt. He was talking on Jay mixtapes in 01-02 ect.

Nobody knew about his wife snitching on some king pins in the 80s or 90s until like 2008 to later when The NY Times ran a article on here pretty much which was smear cause she was challenging the establishment

Nobody still knows who she told on tho, but it was kingpin level traffickers tho.

Damn started using that as an excuse years later, he used Jay working with r Kelly also as one.

The real reason is Jay severed the relationship after dame was moving disrespectful and erratic shytting on bleek, using company money for his own businesses and used jay to blow up armadal liquor but it wasn’t a roc thing and it was a dame thing and paid no money to Jay. Making cam a leader of the roc ect.

Jay ended up killing the relationship and came to dame and Biggs and asked to be brought out and they could keep everything but he wanted reasonable doubt.

Dame said no

So Jay who def jam owed millions on millions of back money made a deal with Jay to let him be the president of roc, get all his masters back and everything cause if he was to cash the checks(it was said he didn’t cash any checks from like 98 royalty wise) it would have damn best bankrupt the company.

So no, dame didn’t end the relationship, jay did and dame was salty and pissed bout it for years on years, getting dips to diss Jay constantly.
They snaked each other on deals, though. From Jay x-ing Dame out of the Fade to Black doc deal, even though Dame was the one that orchestrated it, and all of the backdoor stuff with DJ that Jay was doing, at hindrance to the actual Roc stuff...they were both moving like players on a team with conflicting interests.

Once they (Dame) tried to run it like an actual record label, that was the beginning of the end of it. The only thing is that it's really hard to duplicate that success, so here we are with the look backs.
 

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None of what Biggs grovelling to Jay when he got out is about Dame, it’s about him as a man, and his self value. Dame and Biggs got jerked by Jay when he split from them, took the brand name, and played them for Roc-a-wear, whether or not it was their fault is for another discussion.

But that is Dame’s point here regarding Biggs.

Dame didn’t say anything about Jay for the longest, he tried to play it cool, but in the end his ego and self pride got the better of him and started talking reckless. He started feeling himself too much when Kanye broke him off a big cheque 4-5 years ago. Now he is in no man’s land.
Dame literally used every one to diss Jay, from beans, to Jim and cam ect.

He never tried to stay quiet.

Literally narrated Jim jones “Harlem American gangster” where he threw shots the whole way.

He tried to use Biggs also to diss Jay

Biggs is his man. I don’t think he just got out of jail and switched up on dame like that. He ain’t never gonna talk about cause he don’t talk bout shyt. But I highly doubt he did that. Don’t seem like his character

Dame and Biggs had a opportunity to buy Jay out of roc a fella and roc a wear and keep all the shyt but said no to Jay getting rd masters, all when he had all the leverage

The roc a wear shyt was a big shady. But Russians brought that shyt for such an over valued you price you could tell it was a payment for Jay with the enforcing of the nets deal.

Roc a wear wasn’t worth no 150 mill. It was a back room deal Jay had on his own.
 

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They snaked each other on deals, though. From Jay x-ing Dame out of the Fade to Black doc deal, even though Dame was the one that orchestrated it, and all of the backdoor stuff with DJ that Jay was doing, at hindrance to the actual Roc stuff...they were both moving like players on a team with conflicting interests.

Once they (Dame) tried to run it like an actual record label, that was the beginning of the end of it. The only thing is that it's really hard to duplicate that success, so here we are with the look backs.
Yea for sure. But the Jay shyt was at end of the label. We talking 03 ect.

shyt was all done and Jay had already been jerked multiple times. They all knew it was over then.
 

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Jay could not take Biggs trying to g check him for the slightest shyt. Even rhyme to rhyme bar to bar. Where Biggs does not even rhyme. Shame though because all the socalled suggestions Biggs gave Jay. To connect outside of the rap meets hiphop culture listener. To the rego consumer... Biggs was correct about.

If Biggs never tells jayz.
to learn to pocket his flow and have more detailed street content. There is no jayz. How jayz acted so ungrateful.

to double backdoor lyor and his homies is telling.

It is a vile snake move.



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Dame literally used every one to diss Jay, from beans, to Jim and cam ect.

He never tried to stay quiet.

Literally narrated Jim jones “Harlem American gangster” where he threw shots the whole way.

He tried to use Biggs also to diss Jay

Biggs is his man. I don’t think he just got out of jail and switched up on dame like that. He ain’t never gonna talk about cause he don’t talk bout shyt. But I highly doubt he did that. Don’t seem like his character

Dame and Biggs had a opportunity to buy Jay out of roc a fella and roc a wear and keep all the shyt but said no to Jay getting rd masters, all when he had all the leverage

The roc a wear shyt was a big shady. But Russians brought that shyt for such an over valued you price you could tell it was a payment for Jay with the enforcing of the nets deal.

Roc a wear wasn’t worth no 150 mill. It was a back room deal Jay had on his own.
I’m not going to disagree that Dame wasn’t trying to get at Jay somewhat indirectly (which let’s face it is a Jay trademark ironically), that part has always been obvious. But directly addressing it in interviews was not his thing till more recent in the piece.

Once again, whatever fallout Dame and Biggs may or may not have had is erroneous regarding this discussion, and more to the point, Dame’s suggestion re Biggs embarrassment. When you are desperate for money, you will lower your values, at least that’s what has happened here. Biggs went from a partner to a worker, after being jerked by his former partner. Biggs sells t shirts now. End of discussion.
 

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Jay could not take Biggs trying to g check him for the slightest shyt. Even rhyme to rhyme bar to bar. Where Biggs does not even rhyme. Shame though because all the socalled suggestions Biggs gave Jay. To connect outside of the rap meets hiphop culture listener. To the rego consumer... Biggs was correct about.

If Biggs never tells jayz.
to learn to pocket his flow and have more detailed street content.
There is no jayz. How jayz acted so ungrateful.

to double backdoor lyor and his homies is telling.

It is a vile snake move.



Art Barr
Damn never knew this… Jay spoke on that?
 

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Jay could not take Biggs trying to g check him for the slightest shyt. Even rhyme to rhyme bar to bar. Where Biggs does not even rhyme. Shame though because all the socalled suggestions Biggs gave Jay. To connect outside of the rap meets hiphop culture listener. To the rego consumer... Biggs was correct about.

If Biggs never tells jayz.
to learn to pocket his flow and have more detailed street content. There is no jayz. How jayz acted so ungrateful.

to double backdoor lyor and his homies is telling.

It is a vile snake move.



Art Barr
 

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Damn never knew this… Jay spoke on that?


How jayz switched up flows.
from fu schnicks off beat sped up styles war rhymes.
to technical mastery featured on volume one's most unlikeable sonic landscape pop beat selections.
All from biting geechi suede, sauce money, big l and jaz.

Plus anybody else jayz could styles morph bite off of.


Art Barr

Parker Lewis :

Mental spider sense ping of underground information in the backlog concerning this.

Now that i think about this even more.

If i remember right.
this maybe in an rap pages interview.
early before the xxl debut dual cover launch of jayz interview.
It gets a bit of what feels like censored take in that bloviated post communications act slash prison industrial economy gateway XXL article.
Jayz has arguably the best pr base rapper of any rapper history. Jayz is not thr goat of any rap skill. Like any rapper whobliie you to believe beyound actualization in real nature like moo or where my peeogree comes from. Which creates why jayz has such little pr. While. Being the most bloviated pr'd rapper in history. For being arguably the Donald Trump of rap. Where a brand name is made to leverage endorsements.

That it is so little press that goes behind the curtain on jayz. Now the small minute press from his early career. Which meant a lot more.
before press became ignorant business wise and lost their entire shyt.
being incapable and non-malleable to change of business model. That the internet as an original supplement. Took over as the main implement in the world from this disconnect.

In that disconnect. As time goes on the less press available.
in the current 24/7 pr blitzed wave of grocier newsrag tabloid press online press era. Those stories in rap publications get lost in the conjecture of everyone having a voice.

from their own personal webspace venture. That moving forward there will be little artist spoke of.
If at all in the coming future. As there is no hiphop culture gateway.
to make anyone be good enough to. Become an emcee and skilled enough.
to ever entertain anyone in the industry of rap.
Or even really fill a venue from real grassroots sales and pr of all things mentionable.

The funny thing is.
If i remember right.
I believe this interview is frok some collection of over the pond rap pages equivalent style publication. Like hhc maybe. Sporting some bloated import cover.
Completely Decked out to ruin the cover....
of said over priced with an orange price tag. Right smack dab on the cover of the uk rag.
Ruined cover and all.
Complete with a matching and bloated high ticket import UK cover price equivalent.
to an early Rap pages interview.

Just to give you a rundown in print. In the days of a print rag future past. Plus what it took to get and partake in finding quality works of mart in the rap industry.
When freeze and priority had distribution of rocafella. You got a bit more indepth pr artistry. Where Jay in interview had Dame and Biggs alongside. To help sell rocafella. Where you got the social side of Biggs and dame with Jay.

Moving forward though.
.artist may have press.
With a large extra tv rollout.
to a Mary bunim and Ellis style reality show..
they shot guerilla indie style and never resonate. As they are not really emcees. Or not skilled enough. To warrant word of mouth sales.
to become an actual commodity past.
As well as coupled with the fact. the internet is not television.
on the analog system. It is a digital interface to a online digital mainframe search engine portal. Where you have to actually know. Similar to searching a word in the dictionary. The first three letters.
to even start a search.
of whatever it is.
you would like to know about. Without knowing it.
As rhe general public can not all be prescient to that which they do. Ot know. To be prescient and aware of. Those in turn. As things go forward. People will become more and more isolated separate and thus not capable of supporting culture to support music or art like that. As there exists no gateway liie analog television and print.
Whereas rhe internet. In this war of attrition
Is and will be further guilty of.
Turning everyone into.
A digital poor man of a slumdog millionaire.

As the world only will become a Rick and morty real world intergalactic cable box. That only features a local cable access channel level of golden spook talent. That would have aired on cable station 19. On an old pirated analog cable station box back in the day. Nobody watched, except low life's.
who wasted their life.
Living day by day.
To the fukkery from the party line.

Eventually nobody will give one iota of a fukk about rap or music. If some how we as black folk can not get our children.

to have some soul.


As these issues are so moot in the sellout rabbit hole from opening pandora's box. That these jiggy sellouts. In collusion with puffy opened.

That we should be coming up with solutions. Instead of needlessly having to combat negative bias syndrome theory. To over explain jayz back doored Dame for the umpteenth time. That Dame should be given some grace.
to be like yeat and be mad bout that. [After three decades almost,. A quarter century now].

After all this time passed...yes.
Dame should have a right.
To play some yeat.
All cause dame still got a right.
to be mad bout that. As moving forward these kids of the great recession been snaked and fukked over so bad. That if we do not get over ourselves in gen x. To batch these sellout boogie men away and re-establish parental sway. We are going to get ol pHased out.
by simple time.
in this war of attrition.

To create some willfull good.
using soulful caring and understanding.

Like real talk.

This shyt is dead.

Puff is where house duck sellouts trying to misappropriate hiphop should go. That why am I the only one. Still staying to the facts.
in a matter.

I only have to pay attention to.
To slay the sellout house duck culture theif pederast androgynous pagan molester.
near the holy grail of hiphop.

Can we please,..
....like kane Said, on lean on me.
about the drug situation.
.can we please eliminate the culture sellout situation and build a better tomorrow like a John woo flick.
Aa I like to re-watch the killer.
on loop by John woo. I do not like to discuss.
these hiphop sellouts for the last three decades in close to two years. When it is obvious. These sellouts are why things... are so progressively worse in America.


When everything in crime and fukkery from the crack epidemic was down three times. Now it has risen back double. From the flood gate of fukkery. Can we at least agree. On the facts about what happened. Which is jay double back doored and snaked biggs, dame, warner and lyor for def jam.


Just like how I had to endure a titan graphs of close to three decades of history all from memory. Without google'n is how I feel all you guys with misinformation bombard the world in a low quality world of attrition. That we all are forced to submit to.
in said war of attrition.
against wack lame trash culture thief branded and fake styled individuals.



Art Barr


Parker Lewis :

Always committed to memory to be aware.

Mental note.
Beware the biter.
Beware biters and hanger on rhyme biter style morphs in all there buddy buddy forms as well.


I see you....watching me.

I know what it is for too tho.

I am protege to a legend for a reason. One of those reasons is exposing and destroying lames and biters.


End mental note.

Check.

✔️

Art Barr
 
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None of what Biggs grovelling to Jay when he got out is about Dame, it’s about him as a man, and his self value. Dame and Biggs got jerked by Jay when he split from them, took the brand name, and played them for Roc-a-wear, whether or not it was their fault is for another discussion.

But that is Dame’s point here regarding Biggs.

Dame didn’t say anything about Jay for the longest, he tried to play it cool, but in the end his ego and self pride got the better of him and started talking reckless. He started feeling himself too much when Kanye broke him off a big cheque 4-5 years ago. Now he is in no man’s land.
If Jay offered Dame back into the circle(in whatever capacity)he would run tonight. There’s no moral principle or self pride, he’s just bitter hes not in the clique no more. Same thing with bum ass Dehavan. You think they want to be doing YouTube and Instagram interviews that get hundreds of views every week?

It burns his soul to see OG’s like OG Juan, Ty Ty, Bleek, Emory winning cause he can’t even use the “disloyal” argument :russ:
 

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I’m not going to disagree that Dame wasn’t trying to get at Jay somewhat indirectly (which let’s face it is a Jay trademark ironically), that part has always been obvious. But directly addressing it in interviews was not his thing till more recent in the piece.

Once again, whatever fallout Dame and Biggs may or may not have had is erroneous regarding this discussion, and more to the point, Dame’s suggestion re Biggs embarrassment. When you are desperate for money, you will lower your values, at least that’s what has happened here. Biggs went from a partner to a worker, after being jerked by his former partner. Biggs sells t shirts now. End of discussion.
Biggs works for himself tho. He got out of jail and managed artist on roc nation. And now runs his own management company. Jay built all that shyt without Biggs. He had no reason to be a partner. Again he just got out of jail with nothing and his homie who was up gave him a stable surface to fall on so he didn’t go to jail from the streets again.

Seem to be doing fine
 

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If Jay offered Dame back into the circle(in whatever capacity)he would run tonight. There’s no moral principle or self pride, he’s just bitter hes not in the clique no more. Same thing with bum ass Dehavan. You think they want to be doing YouTube and Instagram interviews that get hundreds of views every week?

It burns his soul to see OG’s like OG Juan, Ty Ty, Bleek, Emory winning cause he can’t even use the “disloyal” argument :russ:
As if.

Dame got many shortfalls, but he would never do that, sounds like you would love to grovel in their presence however. Dehaven was Jay's friend/boss and neither could handle the power shift dynamic, Jay is a remarkably insecure worker, let's not forget that.

Wide margin between a team and sycophant, the latter being your forte from the sounds of it.
 

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As if.

Dame got many shortfalls, but he would never do that, sounds like you would love to grovel in their presence however. Dehaven was Jay's friend/boss and neither could handle the power shift dynamic, Jay is a remarkably insecure worker, let's not forget that.

Wide margin between a team and sycophant, the latter being your forte from the sounds of it.
They don’t have a choice, that’s why they don’t have relationships with Jay Z

Which is the point. If Jay called them tonight they would pick up, dame himself has said this
 
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