The real reason Rocafella broke up is because Hov didn't want Biggs around- Dame Dash

[Harry B]

No disrespect breh but you’re like the #1 Jay-Z fan on this website. Have a good Monday.

That would mean that I know a lot more than you, so yes, have a good Monday.

But I don’t know what facts have to do with being a fan. Or what opinions about thinking that artists shouldn’t be getting raped outta their royalties by executives. If another artist got 16.67% of his shyt, Dame would call him sucker. Unless of course if he’s profiting from it

 

[Cladyclad]

No disrespect breh but you’re like the #1 Jay-Z fan on this website. Have a good Monday.

Watch yo damn mouth. Enough is enough

 

[CoCKy GeNiuS]

but Jay is still boys with Biggs tho , one of his closest friends. Whats Dame talking about?

Jay could not take Biggs trying to g check him for the slightest shyt. Even rhyme to rhyme bar to bar. Where Biggs does not even rhyme. Shame though because all the socalled suggestions Biggs gave Jay. To connect outside of the rap meets hiphop culture listener. To the rego consumer... Biggs was correct about.

If Biggs never tells jayz.
to learn to pocket his flow and have more detailed street content. There is no jayz. How jayz acted so ungrateful.

to double backdoor lyor and his homies is telling.

It is a vile snake move.



Art Barr

Dawg was using everyone from the jump. The nigg Dehaven speaks about how he groomed dawg to hustle and basically laid the carpet out in Trenton NJ and Maryland so that all dawg had to do was hustle and try to make a rap name. Dawg didn't have to make no boss decisions or set any critical plays up for the team to eat in the late 80s early 90s, it was all Dehaven.

Fast forward Dawg meets Dame and basically Dehaven becomes an afterthought after every thing Dehaven invested into their friendship since they were little kids.

Dawg then gets close with Lyor and Dame becomes an afterthought. It's the same ole song with Dawg. He plays it like it's all love and a us thing but it's just about him at the end of the day plotting his next move off of your hard work and belief in him.

Before you niggs reply with the same ole "well bleek and tah tah are still in his good graces" well yea thats because he can truly play the big bro chief honcho role with them.

 

[Big Boss]

@Awesome Wells

 

[Art Barr]

Dawg was using everyone from the jump. The nigg Dehaven speaks about how he groomed dawg to hustle and basically laid the carpet out in Trenton NJ and Maryland so that all dawg had to do was hustle and try to make a rap name. Dawg didn't have to make no boss decisions or set any critical plays up for the team to eat in the late 80s early 90s, it was all Dehaven.

Fast forward Dawg meets Dame and basically Dehaven becomes an afterthought after every thing Dehaven invested into their friendship since they were little kids.

Dawg then gets close with Lyor and Dame becomes an afterthought. It's the same ole song with Dawg. He plays it like it's all love and a us thing but it's just about him at the end of the day plotting his next move off of your hard work and belief in him.

Before you niggs reply with the same ole "well bleek and tah tah are still in his good graces" well yea thats because he can truly play the big bro chief honcho role with them.

This.

nikka gon act blind as three snitch rodents tho.



Art Barr

 

[Silver Surfer]

The best way to make your enemies mad is to stay successful.

Seeing people CONTINUE to talk about the most successful rapper is quite telling

 

[Ozymandeas]

Dawg was using everyone from the jump. The nigg Dehaven speaks about how he groomed dawg to hustle and basically laid the carpet out in Trenton NJ and Maryland so that all dawg had to do was hustle and try to make a rap name. Dawg didn't have to make no boss decisions or set any critical plays up for the team to eat in the late 80s early 90s, it was all Dehaven.

Fast forward Dawg meets Dame and basically Dehaven becomes an afterthought after every thing Dehaven invested into their friendship since they were little kids.

Dawg then gets close with Lyor and Dame becomes an afterthought. It's the same ole song with Dawg. He plays it like it's all love and a us thing but it's just about him at the end of the day plotting his next move off of your hard work and belief in him.

Before you niggs reply with the same ole "well bleek and tah tah are still in his good graces" well yea thats because he can truly play the big bro chief honcho role with them.

Jay definitely has a pattern of using nikkas. He did the same thing to State Prop, pretending they were closer than they really were until the well ran dry. That’s why his beef with Cam was wack. Why you mad at Cam for doing the same thing you would do….making sure you became self sufficient and that you got Dipset popping.

To Jay’s credit, he stopped all that nonsense with Roc Nation. He kept the dynamics purely professional. But like you said, The Roc was gonna always break up. Jay wanted to be on Forbes, rub shoulders with Wall Street, and he felt he wasn’t going to do that with Dame/Biggs.

 

[threattonature]

Are you serious?

Going to your former partners on some "I'm the majority owner now"...."I became the CEO of Def Jam and in turn received control of Rocafella so you might as well give me what I want or Imma take it" is definitely digging the hole deeper.

Do you not have friends? Would you go to your friends like that? Like damn nikka Its okay to admit Jay was grimy.

And your LL example doesn't fit. LL received his Masters because that was his sole way of making long-term residual income as an artist. He didn't get a third of Def Jam too. He wasn't an owner with Rick Rubin and Russell Simmons. Jay got X times more than LL ever got and Jay still had his Masters. It was just split three ways. And you ignore that most rappers don't get their Masters period. It usually doesn't happen.

Look at how you framing shyt. I look at it as Jay saying, I have a chance at a big opportunity that's too good to pass up. Y'all can have my share of Roc-A-Fella. All I want for my share in the company is my masters to my debut. How the fukk is that unreasonable? Should Jay give up his stake in the company for nothing? He could've easily forced a buyout or just took over Def Jam and refuse to put out anything by Def Jam. What in your opinion should Jay leave with?

 

[Harry B]

Dawg was using everyone from the jump. The nigg Dehaven speaks about how he groomed dawg to hustle and basically laid the carpet out in Trenton NJ and Maryland so that all dawg had to do was hustle and try to make a rap name. Dawg didn't have to make no boss decisions or set any critical plays up for the team to eat in the late 80s early 90s, it was all Dehaven.

Fast forward Dawg meets Dame and basically Dehaven becomes an afterthought after every thing Dehaven invested into their friendship since they were little kids.

Dawg then gets close with Lyor and Dame becomes an afterthought. It's the same ole song with Dawg. He plays it like it's all love and a us thing but it's just about him at the end of the day plotting his next move off of your hard work and belief in him.

Before you niggs reply with the same ole "well bleek and tah tah are still in his good graces" well yea thats because he can truly play the big bro chief honcho role with them.

It's funny when people believe certified haters like their word is god, hell even anonymous people. But won' even entertain anything else

1. Lyor Cohen had left Def Jam for their biggest competitor when they sold their Roc-a-fella shares to Universal; so I don't know how you came to that weird conclusion.

2. Dehaven beef was on some street shyt involving attempted murder on Jay-z according to Dehaven himself, and according to the rest it is that same story. Then there is certain snitching allegations in his and Emory's cases, which Dehaven denies but Emory and Jay don't.


So edit that out of your uninformed post and you are left with basically nothing

 

[El Jefe]

Anyone who was around rnd that time of the break up def saw the the way Brooklyn mfz felt havin a Harlem native tryin to run the ship

There was def a under current of that as well, egos x pride , was spiralling near the end

That’s why dames move to bring cam over , was looked at funny in the light

It was like same was stamping his authority when mfz felt a ways.. the tension was already startin to circulate

 

[Ineedmoney504]

This is the part I never really knew exactly what happened. So, Jay became the President of Def Jam and was able to take their 50% stake plus his 16% and became the majority owner? Does this mean that it was only Jay's decision to sell the remaining 50% of Rocafella to Def Jam since he was now the majority stakeholder or was it a group decision?

Before jay became president I’m pretty sure they all sold it already.

Are you serious?

Going to your former partners on some "I'm the majority owner now"...."I became the CEO of Def Jam and in turn received control of Rocafella so you might as well give me what I want or Imma take it" is definitely digging the hole deeper.

Do you not have friends? Would you go to your friends like that? Like damn nikka Its okay to admit Jay was grimy.

And your LL example doesn't fit. LL received his Masters because that was his sole way of making long-term residual income as an artist. He didn't get a third of Def Jam too. He wasn't an owner with Rick Rubin and Russell Simmons. Jay got X times more than LL ever got and Jay still had his Masters. It was just split three ways. And you ignore that most rappers don't get their Masters period. It usually doesn't happen.

well that never happened. Jay asked for the masters and to give dame and Biggs the roc before he became president. He was gonna start his own thing.

After they said no and pretty ouch said leave with nothing he got offered the president of def jam, cause def jam couldn’t afford him cashing all his check that he hadn’t spend since 98 all at once and gave his the president deal. and the offer he had to dame to take roc back was resended for trying to flex on him.

And he kept it himself

 

[Ineedmoney504]

Dawg was using everyone from the jump. The nigg Dehaven speaks about how he groomed dawg to hustle and basically laid the carpet out in Trenton NJ and Maryland so that all dawg had to do was hustle and try to make a rap name. Dawg didn't have to make no boss decisions or set any critical plays up for the team to eat in the late 80s early 90s, it was all Dehaven.

Fast forward Dawg meets Dame and basically Dehaven becomes an afterthought after every thing Dehaven invested into their friendship since they were little kids.

Dawg then gets close with Lyor and Dame becomes an afterthought. It's the same ole song with Dawg. He plays it like it's all love and a us thing but it's just about him at the end of the day plotting his next move off of your hard work and belief in him.

Before you niggs reply with the same ole "well bleek and tah tah are still in his good graces" well yea thats because he can truly play the big bro chief honcho role with them.

That’s not what happened with shaven tho. Da haven said fame came to him and asked him to front money for roc and de haven said he didn’t wanna involved.

De haven was around Jay in 99-2000. Jay was done hustling and pretty much was de haven. He was living in North Carolina and they was cool.

He stopped messing with him after he went to jail. For some reason he think he snitched and pretty much saying he told on Emory. Who he never switch up on.

 

[CoCKy GeNiuS]

That’s not what happened with shaven tho. Da haven said fame came to him and asked him to front money for roc and de haven said he didn’t wanna involved.

De haven was around Jay in 99-2000. Jay was done hustling and pretty much was de haven. He was living in North Carolina and they was cool.

He stopped messing with him after he went to jail. For some reason he think he snitched and pretty much saying he told on Emory. Who he never switch up on.

He said he looked out when Dame asked him that. Here is both interviews that break it all down.

 

[Cladyclad]

That’s not what happened with shaven tho. Da haven said fame came to him and asked him to front money for roc and de haven said he didn’t wanna involved.

De haven was around Jay in 99-2000. Jay was done hustling and pretty much was de haven. He was living in North Carolina and they was cool.

He stopped messing with him after he went to jail. For some reason he think he snitched and pretty much saying he told on Emory. Who he never switch up on.

they stopped being cool before Reasonable Doubt was released. The only time Dehaven been around Jay Z when he became Jay Z was on MTV diary. Dehaven found out where Jay was performing and asked his PO for permission to travel. Jay didn’t know he was coming according to Dehaven. That’s when Jay supposed to spun his ass about helping with a lawyer. That was the last time they saw each other according to Dehaven. Hell come and get me was aimed at Dehaven

put it like this

sauce
jaz
dehaven

did not see jay taking off like this. Nobody did. Well except me of course

 

[Ineedmoney504]

they stopped being cool before Reasonable Doubt was released. The only time Dehaven been around Jay Z when he became Jay Z was on MTV diary. Dehaven found out where Jay was performing and asked his PO for permission to travel. Jay didn’t know he was coming according to Dehaven. That’s when Jay supposed to spun his ass about helping with a lawyer. That was the last time they saw each other according to Dehaven. Hell come and get me was aimed at Dehaven

put it like this

sauce
jaz
dehaven

did not see jay taking off like this. Nobody did. Well except me of course

Ahhh ok. Yea i remember him on the diary. Didn’t know they had fell out already.

Jay literally saved jazz, went got him out a cult and put him on singles just cause he was his og.

nikka fell out cause he wanted ownership of roc lol.

Sauce say jaz o the reason jay didn’t sign him. Said jaz told Jay he wasn’t focused