5-on-5: Will KD and Westbrook upset Steph, Warriors?
Will the
Oklahoma City Thunder overwhelm
Stephen Curry and the
Golden State Warriors with size and athleticism and move on to the NBA Finals?
Our NBA Insiders go 5-on-5 to forecast how this series plays out.
1. What is the most important thing to watch in this series?
Amin Elhassan, ESPN Insider: Can OKC's big men have the same sort of impact they had against San Antonio? The difference in that series was
Steven Adams,
Enes Kanter and
Serge Ibaka had great success offensively while harassing the Spurs' big men defensively.
Kevin Arnovitz, ESPN.com: How the Thunder's size matches up with the Warriors' stretch and versatility. For the most part, the Spurs-Thunder series was conventional "two bigs" basketball -- and OKC controlled the interior for most of it. The Warriors will force the Thunder to choose: Maintain that size advantage and risk getting stretched beyond its limit, or play the Warriors' game.
Bradford Doolittle, ESPN Insider: There's so much to choose from in this series! Curry's health? OKC's floor balance?
Russell Westbrook's defensive discipline? Enes Kanter's minutes?
I'm going with a sleeper factor:
Dion Waiters' general effectiveness. If Waiters is efficient and holds up defensively, the Thunder might be able to replicate the attack-from-the-backcourt Portland dynamic that troubled Golden State in the last round.
Jeremias Engelmann, ESPN Insider: Whether the Thunder will try their twin-tower lineup with Adams and Kanter and how the Warriors will try to counter it. In these playoffs the lineup has been an immensely efficient plus-28 in 66 minutes, thanks in part to a great offensive rebounding rate. The Warriors will want to involve Kanter in lots of pick-and-rolls to make the lineup less effective.
Kevin Pelton, ESPN Insider: How frequently Golden State deploys the Death Lineup, and how well Oklahoma City deals with it.
For all the excitement about the Thunder staying big against the Warriors' small frontcourt in the first meeting, the Death Lineup was a major factor in Golden State's comeback win in OKC. Overall, it posted a 162.9 offensive rating and outscored the Thunder by 45.8 points per 100 possessions in 17 minutes.
The Death Lineup is basically Steve Kerr's cheat code to win close games in this series -- if he uses it.
2. Fact or Fiction: The OKC-San Antonio series changed how you view the Thunder.
Arnovitz: Fact. Didn't see
that coming. It's easy to forget that when the Thunder are engaged, they can be an incredibly effective defensive unit -- quick hands and tree branches everywhere the offense tries to move in the half court. With Adams and
Andre Roberson on the floor together, it's devastating inside and out.
Elhassan: Fiction. While their supporting cast played better than I expected them to, the Thunder, at their core, did what came naturally to them. It was the Spurs who faltered uncharacteristically.
Doolittle: Not really. The Thunder showed glimpses all season of what they can be, but were prone to inconsistency. The second round was what Oklahoma City looks like when it all comes together. They'll need to keep that vibe going against the Warriors. Everyone has to continue to trust each other and play within their roles.
Engelmann: Fact. I didn't think the Thunder had it in them to win against one of the best regular-season teams of all time. Billy Donovan impressed me by coming up with a solid game plan, and Adams cemented his status as one of the better centers in the NBA.
Pelton: Fact. It showed that Donovan can make the necessary strategic adjustments over the course of the series. It also showed that the Thunder can stay focused defensively and take away open shots with their length and quickness.
At the same time, some of the matchup advantages Oklahoma City had against San Antonio won't carry over against Golden State.
3. Rate the accuracy of these statements, from 0 to 10.
- The Thunder will overwhelm the Warriors with size.
- The Thunder will overwhelm the Warriors with athleticism.
- The Warriors are too skilled for the Thunder to play big.
Elhassan: 3, 1, 8. Part of GSW's brilliance is their ability to go small, reaping the benefits of a massive skill advantage without conceding anything on the defensive end. If OKC can maintain the size advantage and force Golden State to play its big men, the Thunder have a chance to upset the Warriors. In terms of athleticism, the Thunder have an advantage at only two positions: point guard and small forward. Otherwise the Warriors are quicker and, more importantly, more skilled at every position.
Golden State's greatest asset is a preponderance of high-level passers able to make snap decisions. That allows the ball to move and find the right player offensively in any given possession, and prevents opponents' big lineups from doing enough damage to matter.
Arnovitz: 3, 5, 8. The Warriors have been to this joint before. That's what the shooters are for: to counter the size. As for the athleticism, the Warriors can deal with that, too. They move well as a defensive unit and place a premium on having a foot in the paint. And though Adams is a gifted defender, do you really want him guarding a perimeter-oriented playmaker like
Draymond Green or
Andre Iguodala? Meanwhile, Kanter is
not a gifted defender.
Doolittle: 4, 4, 9. Oklahoma City is more likely to make those first two statements ring true than anyone. But it has been a long time since the Warriors have been overwhelmed by anything. Golden State dictates how games flow, not their opponents. There's a reason they are 81-11.
Engelmann: The Thunder's size will be somewhat an issue, but Green may be the best undersized PF to ever play, so I'll give this a 3. I actually think the Warriors are the more athletic team, so I'll give that one a 0. The Warriors are too quick and shoot too well from outside for the Thunder to play big, so I'll give the third one an 8.
Pelton: I'd go 2, 3, 9. The Warriors are too skilled for the Thunder to play big. The Spurs didn't have the personnel to make Oklahoma City pay for playing Adams and Kanter together without moving
Kawhi Leonard to power forward. The Warriors can do that with Green at power forward, and when they move him to center the Thunder are hopelessly out of luck with that combo.
And on the question of skill, Golden State has too many shooters and passers in the Death Lineup (or alternate versions featuring
Shaun Livingston and
Brandon Rush).
4. Which of these numbers is closest to your own estimate? Why?
A. Golden State 69 percent chance to win (
FiveThirtyEight)
B. Golden State 70 percent chance to win (
ESPN's Basketball Power Index)
C. Golden State 78 percent chance to win (betting markets;
PredictWise)
Elhassan: C. The Warriors are the most sound basketball team in the league, possibly ever. They can defend any style, and their offense is virtually unguardable. Could Westbrook and Durant explode for a combined 60-80 points every game? Sure, but even so, that still might not be enough.
Arnovitz: B. After the second round, it's closer to 70 percent. Figure if the Warriors had an easier time with Portland game-to-game and the Thunder weren't a wave of destruction in their final three games against the Spurs, the number is probably well into the 80s.
Doolittle: C. This should be a competitive, aesthetically pleasing series. We can spend all day dissecting the various ways in which the Thunder can create advantages against the Warriors, or exploit whatever minuscule tarnishes may exist on Golden State's shining armor. In the end, we're probably overthinking things. The Warriors are just too good.
Engelmann: C. My mathematical simulation, based on point differential and the Pythagorean method (a version of which is
explained here), gives the Warriors a 69 percent chance, matching the prediction of FiveThirtyEight. But since I'm generally a big believer in the Vegas lines and the betting market, and with these Warriors appearing to be very hungry, I'm going to lean toward 78 percent as my personal estimate.
Pelton: C. In series since 2003 where the team with home-court advantage had a point differential between three and four points per game better in the regular season (the Warriors were +3.5 relative to the Thunder), the team with home court wins about 80 percent of the time.
While Oklahoma City's upset of San Antonio suggests the Thunder might be a better team in the playoffs than in the regular season, few teams have more room for improvement by focusing on their best lineups than Golden State -- as we saw in last year's NBA Finals.
5. Who wins the series, and in how many games?
Arnovitz: Golden State in seven. The Thunder are peaking, and that peak is enough to win OKC two or three games. But the Warriors have the ability to adapt to any kind of series. They can beat you small, they can match you big. They can beat you in transition, and they'll slice you up the half court. We haven't seen the best of the Warriors yet, partially due to Curry's reintegration.
Elhassan: Golden State in six. For all the reasons listed above: The Warriors have depth and skill, and they are highly intelligent.
Doolittle: Warriors in five. Too much has to go right for OKC. They can't get burned in transition when Westbrook drives. They have to protect the ball. They have to figure out ways to get Kanter on the floor without getting obliterated on defense. The closer I look at it, the more Occam's razor rings in my head: The simplest answer is usually the best.
Engelmann: Warriors in five. Curry showed in Games 4 and 5 of the Portland series he is fully healthy again. Compared to the Spurs, the Warriors are more top-heavy and benefit from a shortened playoff rotation. Plus, they have more offensive firepower, making it tougher for OKC to come up with a good defensive game plan.
Pelton: Warriors in five. I know that feels harsh after the Thunder's incredible triumph over the Spurs, but remember that the last time they knocked off San Antonio, they subsequently lost the NBA Finals to the
Miami Heat in five games.
That was a closer series than the 4-1 outcome indicated, at least before a barrage of Miami 3-pointers in Game 5, and I see something similar here with Golden State's Death Lineup able to pull out most of the close games.
BONUS
Fact or Fiction: The Warriors will repeat as champs.
Arnovitz: Fact. The Cavs are more interesting than they were a month ago, and
Kevin Love looks reliable, giving them something they didn't have last June. But this is still Golden State's postseason to lose, and they still have the capacity to change their tactical plan on a dime. They can do more things than Cleveland in a seven-game series.
Elhassan: Fact. Too skilled, too sound, too smart.
Doolittle: Fact. The Warriors will more severely tested in the next two rounds than they were in the first two rounds. But nothing in the postseason has suggested Golden State is anything but the team that has been dominating the NBA the past two years. A healthy Curry is the margin the Warriors need.
Engelmann: Fact. The Cavaliers are not as good as the Thunder. Combining the probabilities for Golden State winning each series -- assuming a 78 percent chance against the Thunder, and an even higher chance against the Cavs -- results in a 60 percent chance or better for the Warriors to win the title.
Pelton: Fact. I mean obviously it's not a fact. Who knows what happens as Curry comes back from his sprained MCL, and both the Thunder and the NBA Finals opponent are good enough to trip up the Warriors, but it's certainly not fiction. A Golden State title is more likely than not.