The Official Debunking Hebrew Israelites Thread

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You do not know the LORD, its too obvious. Did he come to die for all nations or just Israel (Jacob's seed)?

Acts 17:22-30

Then Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, “Men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are very religious;23 for as I was passing through and considering the objects of your worship, I even found an altar with this inscription:

TO THE UNKNOWN GOD.

Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you: “God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’ Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising. Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”


Btw, I'ma post these two verses so you can give me the false breakdown of "the world" supposedly being in reference to the Israelites and Israelites only... so I can cut you up some more.


John 3:16-17
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
 

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:russ: You keep coming with videos from false prophets...you are losing dude. "Africans" are hunting for money because that is what Esau taught him. Before Esau came, animals were available in abundance throughout Africa. The whole world has been corrupted by Esau that is why the world is passing away because he is the end of the world. Why don't you respond to Obidah the first chapter.

Fair enough.

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To understand what happened to the Edomites you have to understand history and scripture. Obadiah predicted that Edom would be destroyed and their land would be taken. The Babylonians and Nabatean Kingdom were the first to conquer Edom. The Greeks followed suit and hellenized Edom, hence their name changing to Idumeans & their land to Idumea. the Hasmonean dynasty of Judea conquered the land and judaized the Idumeans, meaning they forcefully made them converts. In fact, the last kings of Judea were all pretty much Idumeans/Edomites converts. These same men also married and had children with Judean women. King Herod even renovated the 2nd temple, which came to be called King Herod's temple. Those same Idumeans were completely destroyed during the 70 year Judean-Roman wars. Their land is currently being held by the nation of Jordan, who are the descendants of the Hashemite...

By contrast, Japheth, brother of Shem, is the father of Europe.

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Obadiah 1:19-21

People from the Negev will occupy
the mountains of Esau,
and people from the foothills will possess
the land of the Philistines.
They will occupy the fields of Ephraim and Samaria,
and Benjamin will possess Gilead.
This company of Israelite exiles who are in Canaan
will possess the land as far as Zarephath;
the exiles from Jerusalem who are in Sepharad
will possess the towns of the Negev.
Deliverers will go up on Mount Zion
to govern the mountains of Esau.
And the kingdom will be the Lord’s.


Which is what The Hasmonian Dynasty accomplished when it took the land of Idumea/Edom and added it into the Kingdom of Judea.

Now let's read Malachi 1:3-5 in a proper translation that isn't the erroneous and utterly laughable KJV.

A prophecy: The word of the Lord to Israel through Malachi. “I have loved you,” says the Lord. “But you ask, ‘How have you loved us?’ “Was not Esau Jacob’s brother?” declares the Lord. “Yet I have loved Jacob, but Esau I have hated, and I have turned his hill country into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the desert jackals.” Edom may say, “Though we have been crushed, we will rebuild the ruins.” But this is what the Lord Almighty says: “They may build, but I will demolish. They will be called the Wicked Land, a people always under the wrath of the Lord.

This was also fufilled when Herod the Great overthrew the Hasmonian Dynasty with the help of Rome.

Siege of Jerusalem (37 BC) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Idumeans became the ruling class in Judea... until they were completely wiped out during the Judeo-Roman wars.

Like I said, step your biblical and historical knowledge up
 

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What is your tribe? And can you prove it with scriptures?

Lol, I got a better one. Let's see what tribe these people came from.

Esther 8:17
And in every province, and in every city, whithersoever the king's commandment and his decree came, the Jews had joy and gladness, a feast and a good day. And many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them.

Ezekiel 47:21-23
Thus you shall divide this land among yourselves according to the tribes of Israel. It shall be that you will divide it by lot as an inheritance for yourselves, and for the strangers who dwell among you and who bear children among you. They shall be to you as native-born among the children of Israel; they shall have an inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel. And it shall be that in whatever tribe the stranger dwells, there you shall give him his inheritance,” says the Lord God.

Acts 16:1-3
Then came he to Derbe and Lystra: and, behold, a certain disciple was there, named Timothy, the son of a certain woman, which was a Jewess, and believed; but his father was a Greek: which was well reported of by the brethren that were at Lystra and Iconium. Him would Paul have to go forth with him; and took and circumcised him because of the Jews which were in those quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek.

1 Chronicles 2:34-26
Now Sheshan had no sons, but daughters. And Sheshan had a servant, an Egyptian, whose name was Jarha. And Sheshan gave his daughter to Jarha his servant to wife; and she bare him Attai. 36 And Attai begat Nathan, and Nathan begat Zabad,

Judith 14:10
When Achior heard all that the God of Israel had done, he became a firm believer. He was circumcised and made a member of the Israelite community, as his descendants are to the present day.

Exodus 12:37-38
And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot that were men, beside children. And a mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle.

Romans 11:13-26
For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?

For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.

You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved

You have much to learn youngster.
 
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Acts 17:22-30




Btw, I'ma post these two verses so you can give me the false breakdown of "the world" supposedly being in reference to the Israelites and Israelites only... so I can cut you up some more.


John 3:16-17

John 18:20
Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.

He was talking about the world of the Jews. Even you agree that there is an Arab world. Is Jesus lying about speaking to the world because he didn't speak in China?

Matthew 15
24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

John 7
16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

You are teaching another Jesus dude. Paul went to the Children of Israel that we scattered in other nations. All those churches he wrote to were the body of new believers amongst the scattered children of Israel who received Christ. That was their seal that they were of the seed of Jacob in the flesh. A Jew was a descendant of Jacob that kept the Jewish customs mainly in Judea and the Gentiles were the children of Israel that practiced heathen customs before coming to Christ. They were hated by Jews that kept the tradition, which is why Paul spent a good part of the epistles addressing that issue since many Gentiles didn't customarily keep things such as circumcision, they were uncircumcised. The Apocrypha documents this and the times before Jesus came to prove that the Israelites were living in other territories well before Jesus came. So many Israesent lites became Gentiles by religion taking on the customs of the heathens even stopping circumcision. Some were born in other countries and could no longer speak Hebrew. A lot of Israelites were already gone by the time Jesus came. The Remnants of the Kingdom of Judah (aka Jews) was what mostly remained during that time. Do you even know what happened to the Kingdom of Israel (northern kingdom) before Christ came?
 

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You have much to learn youngster.

You know very little. Explain this:

Isaiah 11

11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Do you know the first time? What is the second time that he is referring to?
 

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He was talking about the world of the Jews. Even you agree that there is an Arab world. Is Jesus lying about speaking to the world because he didn't speak in China?

Wrong

The Greek word used in the original text is Kosmon/Kosmos, which literally means world, just as the translation states.

World (General) - International Standard Bible Encyclopedia
last, and most frequently, kosmos, properly "order," with the suggestion of beauty; thence the material universe, as the great example of such order; then the moral universe, the total system of intelligent creatures, perhaps sometimes including angels (1Co 4:9), but as a rule human beings only; then, in view of the fact of universal human failure, humanity in its sinful aspect, the spirit and forces of fallen humanity regarded as antagonistic to God and to good, "all around us which does not love God."
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Strong's Greek: 2889. κόσμος (kosmos) -- order, the world
kosmos: order, the world
Original Word: κόσμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: kosmos
Phonetic Spelling: (kos'-mos)
Short Definition: the world, universe
Definition: the world, universe; worldly affairs; the inhabitants of the world; adornment.
HELPS Word-studies

2889 kósmos (literally, "something ordered") – properly, an "ordered system" (like the universe, creation); the world.

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For example: Mark 8:36
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
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Take a look for yourself

Strong's Greek: 2889. κόσμος (kosmos) -- 186 Occurrences

Your parroted eisegesis=refuted.

Btw, you also forgot to mention that Jesus went to speak to the Samaritans, who weren't Israelites..


You are teaching another Jesus dude. Paul went to the Children of Israel that we scattered in other nations. All those churches he wrote to were the body of new believers amongst the scattered children of Israel who received Christ. That was their seal that they were of the seed of Jacob in the flesh. A Jew was a descendant of Jacob that kept the Jewish customs mainly in Judea and the Gentiles were the children of Israel that practiced heathen customs before coming to Christ. They were hated by Jews that kept the tradition, which is why Paul spent a good part of the epistles addressing that issue since many Gentiles didn't customarily keep things such as circumcision, they were uncircumcised. The Apocrypha documents this and the times before Jesus came to prove that the Israelites were living in other territories well before Jesus came. So many Israesent lites became Gentiles by religion taking on the customs of the heathens even stopping circumcision. Some were born in other countries and could no longer speak Hebrew. A lot of Israelites were already gone by the time Jesus came. The Remnants of the Kingdom of Judah (aka Jews) was what mostly remained during that time. Do you even know what happened to the Kingdom of Israel (northern kingdom) before Christ came?

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Paul went to the literal Gentiles... Every instance where Hellen appears in the og Greek text is in reference to Greeks, aka NON-Jews.

Strong's Greek: 1672. Ἕλλην (Hellén) -- a Greek, usually a name for a Gentile
Hellén: a Greek, usually a name for a Gentile
Original Word: Ἕλλην, ηνος, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: Hellén
Phonetic Spelling: (hel'-lane)
Short Definition: a Hellene, a Greek
Definition: a Hellene, the native word for a Greek; it is, however, a term wide enough to include all Greek-speaking (i.e. educated) non-Jews.

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Click that link to see every instance of the word Hellen being used to refer to NON Jews/Israelites.

Contrast that with Hellenistes, which means Greek speaking Jew

Strong's Greek: 1675. Ἑλληνιστής (Hellénistés) -- a Hellenist (Greek-speaking Jew)
Strong's Concordance
Hellénistés: a Hellenist (Greek-speaking Jew)
Original Word: Ἑλληνιστής, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: Hellénistés
Phonetic Spelling: (hel-lay-nis-tace')
Short Definition: a Hellenist, Grecian Jew
Definition: a Hellenist, Grecian Jew, a Greek-speaking Jew, that is one who can speak Greek only and not Hebrew (or Aramaic).

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Like I keep saying, you are too unlearned to be having this debate. I'm only skimming the surface of the real ether here and still cutting you up.​

Do yourself a favor and study the languages of scripture. If you don't, you will forever be ignorant.
 
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You know very little. Explain this:



Do you know the first time? What is the second time that he is referring to?

Lol so unlearned. You forget Christ came for the lost sheep of Israel (Which INCLUDED Judah) along with another flock not of their fold. (John 10:16)

But let's debunk your eisegesis with Isaiah 56:3-8

Do not let the son of the foreigner
Who has joined himself to the Lord
Speak, saying,
“The Lord has utterly separated me from His people”
;
Nor let the eunuch say,
“Here I am, a dry tree.”
4 For thus says the Lord:
“To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths,
And choose what pleases Me,
And hold fast My covenant,
5 Even to them I will give in My house
And within My walls a place and a name
Better than that of sons and daughters;
I will give them an everlasting name
That shall not be cut off.

6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”

8 The Lord God, who gathers the outcasts of Israel, says,
“Yet I will gather to him
Others besides those who are gathered to him.”

Along with Isaiah 19:19-25
In that day there will be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to the Lord at its border. 20 And it will be for a sign and for a witness to the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt; for they will cry to the Lord because of the oppressors, and He will send them a Savior and a Mighty One, and He will deliver them. 21 Then the Lord will be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians will know the Lord in that day, and will make sacrifice and offering; yes, they will make a vow to the Lord and perform it. 22 And the Lord will strike Egypt, He will strike and heal it; they will return to the Lord, and He will be entreated by them and heal them.

23 In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian will come into Egypt and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians will serve with the Assyrians.

24 In that day Israel will be one of three with Egypt and Assyria—a blessing in the midst of the land, 25 whom the Lord of hosts shall bless, saying, “Blessed is Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel My inheritance.”

In fact, let's cut you with Acts 15:4-19

4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.

5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;

9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.

13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:

14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God

Edit: Just to make drive home another point.

Acts 15:22-24
22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas and Silas, chief men among the brethren:

23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia.

24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment

You have MUCH to learn.
 
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Exactly, He doesn't even know that Samaria was the capital of the northern kingdom (Kingdom of Israel) :mjlol:

The reason why the Jews (people of the kingdom of Judah) did not deal with Samaritans was because they committed idolatry by worshiping Baal and were taken away into captivity into Assyria and practically banished from coming back. Many of them were scattered among many nations. Those that remained of the Samaritans in Israel were looked down upon by Jews because they committed the worst level of idolatry after the Kingdom of Israel split into two. After the death of King Solomon.
 

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Exactly, He doesn't even know that Samaria was the capital of the northern kingdom (Kingdom of Israel) :mjlol:

The reason why the Jews (people of the kingdom of Judah) did not deal with Samaritans was because they committed idolatry by worshiping Baal and were taken away into captivity into Assyria and practically banished from coming back.

Exactly, and that's the Spirit because I was just researching the Samaritans yesterday and whatnot because I was trying to 'debunk' the teaching that neighbour ONLY refers to Israelites for edification sake. I failed. :banderas:

Luke 10:29-37

29 But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?

30 And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.

31 And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.

32 And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.

33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,

34 And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.

35 And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.

36 Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?

37 And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

Hey @Czar

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:wow: Whats crazy is many so-called Hispanics come from the Northern Kingdom and some of them low key don't trust those from the Southern Kingdom. Its crazy how the LORD is uniting the two kingdoms in the last days. A lot of so-called Hispanic people are coming into the fold, especially on the East Coast. Its a beautiful thing :banderas:
 

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Exactly, He doesn't even know that Samaria was the capital of the northern kingdom (Kingdom of Israel) :mjlol:

The reason why the Jews (people of the kingdom of Judah) did not deal with Samaritans was because they committed idolatry by worshiping Baal and were taken away into captivity into Assyria and practically banished from coming back. Many of them were scattered among many nations. Those that remained of the Samaritans in Israel were looked down upon by Jews because they committed the worst level of idolatry after the Kingdom of Israel split into two. After the death of King Solomon.
Exactly, and that's the Spirit because I was just researching the Samaritans yesterday and whatnot because I was trying to 'debunk' the teaching that neighbour ONLY refers to Israelites for edification sake. I failed. :banderas:

This is further confirmation that NEITHER of you actually read scripture.

2 Kings 17:23-28

23 Until the Lord removed Israel out of his sight, as he had said by all his servants the prophets. So was Israel carried away out of their own land to Assyria unto this day.

24 And the king of Assyria brought men from Babylon, and from Cuthah, and from Ava, and from Hamath, and from Sepharvaim, and placed them in the cities of Samaria instead of the children of Israel: and they possessed Samaria, and dwelt in the cities thereof.

25 And so it was at the beginning of their dwelling there, that they feared not the Lord: therefore the Lord sent lions among them, which slew some of them.

26 Wherefore they spake to the king of Assyria, saying, The nations which thou hast removed, and placed in the cities of Samaria, know not the manner of the God of the land: therefore he hath sent lions among them, and, behold, they slay them, because they know not the manner of the God of the land.

27 Then the king of Assyria commanded, saying, Carry thither one of the priests whom ye brought from thence; and let them go and dwell there, and let him teach them the manner of the God of the land.

28 Then one of the priests whom they had carried away from Samaria came and dwelt in Bethel, and taught them how they should fear the Lord.

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So now the Samaritan woman (Samaritans) IS NOT an Israelite, even though the scriptures CLEARLY say so? I sincerely hope you stop breathing tonight.
 
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