The Official Debunking Hebrew Israelites Thread

[LionofJudah]

Again, where is YOUR proof of Job being an Edomite from the scriptures? You can claim Josh 'proved' this all you like, but it damn sure doesn't make it true, nor are you presenting evidence except posting a video which proves YOU don't know the scriptures yourself.

 

[Czar]

Again, where is YOUR proof of Job being an Edomite from the scriptures? You can claim Josh 'proved' this all you like, but it damn sure doesn't make it true, nor are you presenting evidence except posting a video which proves YOU don't know the scriptures yourself.

So Job lived in the land of Uz (Job 1:1), which was a part of Edom (Lamentations 4:21)

Uz was the son of Dishan, who was an Edomite (Genesis 36:28-30)

His friend Eliphaz was a Temanite (Job 4:1). The Temanites were a tribe of Edom (Genesis 36:40-43)

He was called the greatest man in the East (Job 1:3)


Job 19:9

He has stripped me of my glory
and removed the crown from my head.

Genesis 36:33-34

When Bela died, Jobab son of Zerah from Bozrah succeeded him as king.

When Jobab died, Husham from the land of the Temanites succeeded him as king.

Genesis 36:31

These were the kings who reigned in Edom before any Israelite king reigned

Even the Septuagint translators, who were all Jews, wrote a commentary at the end of Chapter 42 of the book of Job which states:

(42:17â) ουτος ερμηνευεται εκ της συριακης βιβλου εν μεν γη κατοικων τη αυσιτιδι επι τοις οριοις της ιδουμαιας και αραβιας προυπηρχεν δε αυτω ονομα ιωβαβ (42:17÷) λαβωνG2983 δε γυναικα αραβισσαν γεννα υιον ω ονομα εννων ην δε αυτος πατρος μεν ζαρε των ησαυ υιων υιος μητρος δε βοσορρας ωστε ειναι αυτον πεμπτον απο αβρααμ (42:17ä) και ουτοι οι βασιλεις οι βασιλευσαντες εν εδωμ ης και αυτος ηρξεν χωρας πρωτος βαλακ ο του βεωρ και ονομα τη πολει αυτου δενναβα μετα δε βαλακ ιωβαβ ο καλουμενος ιωβ μετα δε τουτον ασομ ο υπαρχων ηγεμων εκ της θαιμανιτιδος χωρας μετα δε τουτον αδαδ υιος βαραδ ο εκκοψας μαδιαμ εν τω πεδιω μωαβ και ονοματηG3588 πολει αυτου γεθθαιμ (42:17å) οι δε ελθοντες προς αυτον φιλοι ελιφας των ησαυ υιων θαιμανων βασιλευς βαλδαδ ο σαυχαιων τυραννος σωφαρ ο μιναιων βασιλευς

Translation:

(42:17B) This man is described in the Syriac book as living in the land of Ausis, on the borders of Idumea and Arabia: and his name before was Jobab; (42:17C) and having taken an Arabian wife, he begot a son whose name was Ennon. And he himself was the son of his father Zare, one of the sons of Esau, and of his mother Bosorrha, so that he was the fifth from Abraam. (42:17D) And these were the kings who reigned in Edom, which country he also ruled over: first, Balac, the son of Beor, and the name of his city was Dennaba: but after Balac, Jobab, who is called Job, and after him Asom, who was governor out of the country of Thaeman: and after him Adad, the son of Barad, who destroyed Madiam in the plain of Moab; and the name of his city was Gethaim. (42:17E) And his friends who came to him were Eliphaz, of the children of Esau, king of the Thaemanites, Baldad sovof the Sauchaeans, Sophar king of the Minaeans

The Septuagint was created about 300 years before Christ.

Do you have an e-sword @LionofJudah

If not, get one. www.e-sword.net

Download a Septuagint module and see for yourself.

You gotta learn this stuff breh. You cannot be ignorant to this sorta info.

 

[LionofJudah]

Someone living in an Edomite land doesn't make them an Edomite. Paul lived in Rome, did that make him NOT an Israelite? Not to mention, the scriptures clearly say Job was in the land of Uz, not that he was FROM the land of Uz. To add to that, YOU have to prove Uz is named after the Edomite Uz because Shem also had a grandson named Uz that the land very well could have been named after. Even if we assume Eliphaz in Job's story is the descendant of Esau, that doesn't mean Job is an Edomite. Edom and Israel were not always enemies, which is one reason why Deuteronomy 23:7 which you love to quote says what it says. Furthermore, Jobab doesn't equal Job, and if it did, the scriptures would probably have added that in. The crown could very well have been metaphorical. And a commentary isn't scripture, therefore it's pretty much irrelevant.

Now, questions for you

1. When did anyone BESIDES ISRAELITES rent (i.e. tear) their clothing throughout the scriptures for any reason as Job did in Job 1:20?

2. When at anytime did the heathen (Non-Israelites) after the Law had been given to the israelites perform burnt offerings to the Most High?

3.When did the Most High refer to any heathen as his 'servant?'

 

[Czar]

Someone living in an Edomite land doesn't make them an Edomite

Absolutely. In fact, Job's 2 other friends weren't Edomites (Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite).

Job 42:7-9 is also interesting to note, since God speaks directly to Eliphaz, who was an Edomite, and Job prays for his friends.

Paul lived in Rome, did that make him NOT an Israelite

That's a terrible example. Paul openly called himself an Israelite and Jew. And Rome was NOT an Edomite country (since I caught you tryna sneak that in there). He became a Roman citizen through his birth in Tarsus, which is in modern day Turkey.

Even if we assume Eliphaz in Job's story is the descendant of Esau...

Elphiaz the Temanite was emphatically an Edomite (Ezekiel 25:13, Amos 1:11-12, Jeremiah 49:7-20, Obadiah 8:9).

Edom and Israel were not always enemies, which is one reason why Deuteronomy 23:7 which you love to quote says what it says.

Indeed.

Furthermore, Jobab doesn't equal Job, and if it did, the scriptures would probably have added that in.

Was Job an Edomite king? Part 1
Was Job an Edomite king? Part 2

Was Job Jobab?

To begin with. Genesis 36:33 tells us that the second named king of Edom was "Jobab, son of Zerah, from Bozrah." There are two differences between this man’s name and that of Job. Dropping the vowel marks because they are not part of the original text, in Hebrew they are spelled ywvv and ‘ywv. Job’s name begins with an aleph (‘), and the Edomite king’s name does not, but has an extra beth (v) at the end.

There is a second problem. The name Job pretty clearly means "Persecuted," but the meaning of Jobab is unknown.

Yet, the problem may not be as great as it seems to us. First of all, we have the ancient testimony, which indicates that people familiar with the Hebrew and Semitic languages could readily think that these were variants of the same name. Second, the aleph that begins the name of Job is sometimes placed there simply to make the vowel sound more forcefully, and thus is not always a necessary part of the word when it comes at the beginning. The Edomite king’s name is pronounced "Yovav" while Job’s name is pronounced "Eeyov," both bisyllabic words. Moreover, converting the name "Yovav" to "Persecuted" ("Eeyov") is easy, and fits the purpose of the author of Job.
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But why don't you find me a genealogy that traces Job through Israel in scripture?

Don't worry, I'll wait....

(A word of advice, Genesis 46:13 ain't it. 1 Chronicles 7:1 and Numbers 26:23-24 verify that.)

The crown could very well have been metaphorical.

Yet his skin turning black upon him was literal proof he was a black man to you.

Not to mention, the scriptures clearly say Job was in the land of Uz, not that he was FROM the land of Uz. To add to that, YOU have to prove Uz is named after the Edomite Uz because Shem also had a grandson named Uz that the land very well could have been named after

While Uz very well coulda been named after any of Shem's descendant with that name...

Lamentations 4:21

Rejoice and be glad, O daughter of Edom, that dwellest in the land of Uz; the cup also shall pass through unto thee: thou shalt be drunken, and shalt make thyself naked.
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....There is no doubt it became an Edomite land. Obviously that doesn't mean everyone in that land was an Edomite, but still. The proof is solid.

And a commentary isn't scripture, therefore it's pretty much irrelevant.

But you'll quote Zondervan Bible dictionary's eurocentric commentary on Ham as if it were scripture.


The Septuagint translators were all learned Hebrews and devout men who lived before Christ. Their opinion is alot more valid than alotta the sources you cite..

Now, questions for you

1. When did anyone BESIDES ISRAELITES rent (i.e. tear) their clothing throughout the scriptures for any reason as Job did in Job 1:20?

2. When at anytime did the heathen (Non-Israelites) after the Law had been given to the israelites perform burnt offerings to the Most High?

3.When did the Most High refer to any heathen as his 'servant?'

1. From the same book of Job

Job 2:11-12

When Job’s three friends, Eliphaz the Temanite, Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite, heard about all the troubles that had come upon him, they set out from their homes and met together by agreement to go and sympathize with him and comfort him. When they saw him from a distance, they could hardly recognize him; they began to weep aloud, and they tore their robes and sprinkled dust on their heads.
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2 Samuel 1:2-8 is another example, ironically by another Edomite.



2. Naaman the Aramean in 2 Kings 5:17

“If you will not,” said Naaman, “please let me, your servant, be given as much earth as a pair of mules can carry, for your servant will never again make burnt offerings and sacrifices to any other god but the Lord.
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3. Nebuchadnezzar (Jeremiah 25:9, 27:6, 43:10) Cyrus the Great (Isaiah 44:28, 45:1)

In fact, was not Abraham born into a Heathen family? Yet the Most High chose him to be his servant?

Were not the heathen strangers who joined with Israel and served the Most High by keeping his commandments his servants too?

How about these prophecies?

Amos 9:9-13

For, lo, I will command,
and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations,
like as corn is sifted in a sieve,
yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword,
which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us.

In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen,
and close up the breaches thereof;
and I will raise up his ruins,
and I will build it as in the days of old:
that they may possess the remnant of Edom(<-Mankind in the Septuagint.)
and of all the heathen, which are called by my name,
saith the Lord that doeth this.
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Isaiah 19:23-25

In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.

In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:

whom the Lord of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance
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In fact, lemma add the example of Timothy, the son of a Heathen.

Then came he to Derbe and Lystra: and, behold, a certain disciple was there, named Timotheus, the son of a certain woman, which was a Jewess, and believed; but his father was a Greek: which was well reported of by the brethren that were at Lystra and Iconium. Him would Paul have to go forth with him; and took and circumcised him because of the Jews which were in those quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek
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I'm sure your reply to that is "Timothy's father was really a Jew living in a gentle state of mind".

Problem is, the original word used in verses 1 & 3 literally means Greek, as in non-Jew.

Acts 16:1 Lexicon: Paul came also to Derbe and to Lystra. And a disciple was there, named Timothy, the son of a Jewish woman who was a believer, but his father was a Greek,
Acts 16:2 Lexicon: and he was well spoken of by the brethren who were in Lystra and Iconium.
Acts 16:3 Lexicon: Paul wanted this man to go with him; and he took him and circumcised him because of the Jews who were in those parts, for they all knew that his father was a Greek.

Strong's Greek: 1672. Ἕλλην (Hellén) -- a Greek, usually a name for a Gentile

Hellén: a Greek, usually a name for a Gentile
Original Word: Ἕλλην, ηνος, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: Hellén
Phonetic Spelling: (hel'-lane)
Short Definition: a Hellene, a Greek
Definition: a Hellene, the native word for a Greek; it is, however, a term wide enough to include all Greek-speaking (i.e. educated) non-Jews.
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Contrast that with what a Greek speaking Jew would actually be called.


Strong's Greek: 1675. Ἑλληνιστής (Hellénistés) -- a Hellenist (Greek-speaking Jew)

Hellénistés: a Hellenist (Greek-speaking Jew)
Original Word: Ἑλληνιστής, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: Hellénistés
Phonetic Spelling: (hel-lay-nis-tace')
Short Definition: a Hellenist, Grecian Jew
Definition: a Hellenist, Grecian Jew, a Greek-speaking Jew, that is one who can speak Greek only and not Hebrew (or Aramaic).
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[Czar]

@LionofJudah

Here's more proof the Edomites weren't white people...

2 Samuel 1:1-13

1 Now it came to pass after the death of Saul, when David was returned from the slaughter of the Amalekites, and David had abode two days in Ziklag;

2 it came even to pass on the third day, that, behold, a man came out of the camp from Saul with his clothes rent, and earth upon his head: and so it was, when he came to David, that he fell to the earth, and did obeisance.

3 And David said unto him, From whence comest thou? And he said unto him, Out of the camp of Israel am I escaped.

4 And David said unto him, How went the matter? I pray thee, tell me. And he answered, That the people are fled from the battle, and many of the people also are fallen and dead; and Saul and Jonathan his son are dead also.

5 And David said unto the young man that told him, How knowest thou that Saul and Jonathan his son be dead?

6 And the young man that told him said, As I happened by chance upon mount Gilboa, behold, Saul leaned upon his spear; and, lo, the chariots and horsemen followed hard after him.
7 And when he looked behind him, he saw me, and called unto me. And I answered, Here am I.

8 And he said unto me, Who art thou? And I answered him, I am an Amalekite.

9 He said unto me again, Stand, I pray thee, upon me, and slay me: for anguish is come upon me, because my life is yet whole in me.

10 So I stood upon him, and slew him, because I was sure that he could not live after that he was fallen: and I took the crown that was upon his head, and the bracelet that was on his arm, and have brought them hither unto my lord.

11 Then David took hold on his clothes, and rent them; and likewise all the men that were with him:

12 and they mourned, and wept, and fasted until even, for Saul, and for Jonathan his son, and for the people of the Lord, and for the house of Israel; because they were fallen by the sword.

13 And David said unto the young man that told him, Whence art thou? And he answered, I am the son of a stranger, an Amalekite.

Now, if the Edomites were "white" wouldn't David have recognized the young man from the jump?

Why ask him "whence art thou" if he woulda known IMMEDIATELY just by looking at his skin tone?

Could it be the young boy looked like David and the Israelites? Considering David and Esau are described with the same Hebrew word, Admoni?

 

[Marvel]

@LionofJudah

Here's more proof the Edomites weren't white people...

2 Samuel 1:1-13



Now, if the Edomites were "white" wouldn't David have recognized the young man from the jump?

Why ask him "whence art thou" if he woulda known IMMEDIATELY just by looking at his skin tone?

Could it be the young boy looked like David and the Israelites? Considering David and Esau are described with the same Hebrew word, Admoni?

White people are Edomites there is too much scriptural proof about it. Israelites knew that the white men near them at the time were Edomites, descendants of Esau, fraternal twin of Jacob (Israel). The Bible describes Esau as looking different...that kills your lookalike noise. Esau had many sons who titled as Dukes and one of his sons was Amalek. David can know what that they are Edomites and still want to know which Duke he is from. Its like knowing a guy is Asian and wanting to know which Asian country is he from.

Both Moses and Paul were confused as Egyptians in the Bible. Christ is described as having very dark brown skin and wooly hair by two different prophets (Daniel and John). All proof that the real Israelites are so-called black people. That was why the LORD told John in Revelation to write everything in a book so that we know who he is because Edomites were going to start push the Image of the Beast centuries later during iconoclasm (Renaissance period) and during the Alexander the Great's reign before Jesus was born which is stated in the Apocrypha taken out of the original Bible after 200 years. Edomites took it out because it exposes their politics, their lies and how they push heathenism on Israelites and how they changed how real Israelites looked like to the rest of the world which still goes on until today.

1 Maccabees 3:48
And laid open the book of the law, wherein the heathen had sought to paint the likeness of their images.

That is why Adam, Eve, Moses, the Apostles, Christ are all painted in the likeness of the Romans (michaelangelo, davinci, etc.)

Precept upon precept until you are destroyed. You not going to twist the Bible anymore. You are not an Israelite. Only Israelites with the Spirit of the LORD can rightly divide the Bible. Its not for heathens.

 

[Czar]

White people are Edomites there is too much scriptural proof about it. Israelites knew that the white men near them at the time were Edomites, descendants of Esau, fraternal twin of Jacob (Israel). The Bible describes Esau as looking different...that kills your lookalike noise. Esau had many sons who titled as Dukes and one of his sons was Amalek. David can know what that they are Edomites and still want to know which Duke he is from. Its like knowing a guy is Asian and wanting to know which Asian country is he from.

Actually there is NO scriptural proof to validate the made up "Edomites are white people" hypothesis you're parroting. I say parroting cause you're only repeating the same 1 West teaching that has been refuted countless times in the past.

If Esau was supposedly the first white person, how could he have created the "white race" if all he married was women of color? Genesis 26:34, 28:9, 36:2-3.

How did Esau (*assuming he was the first white person) father the white race? If his children woulda been at the very least mulatto. Factor in that they woulda only had other people of color to marry, and boom. There goes your Edomites were white theory

Let's start with the Hebrew word used to describe both David and Esau, Admoni.

Strong's Hebrew: 132. אַדְמוֹנִי (admoni) -- red, ruddy

admoni: red, ruddy
Original Word: אַדְמוֹנִי
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: admoni
Phonetic Spelling: (ad-mo-nee')
Short Definition: ruddy
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from the same as adom
Definition
red, ruddy

FWIW, Adamah, Adom, Edom, Admoni, Dam all carry the same root word for red in Hebrew.

But let's not stop there.

Take a look at Genesis 25:25 in Hebrew

B'resheet 25 Hebrew OT: Aleppo Codex

כה ויצא הראשון אדמוני כלו כאדרת שער ויקראו שמו

(Notice the word אדמוני or Admoni?)

Now let's compare that with 1 Samuel 16:12 in Hebrew

Shmuel Aleph 16 Hebrew OT: Aleppo Codex

ב וישלח ויביאהו והוא אדמוני עם יפה עינים וטוב ראי

(The SAME word אדמוני or Admoni)

Not only does the spelling not change, but neither does the pronunciation.
But dude is so dumb he probably thinks that's actually Yiddish like some of the more ignorant HIs

Ohhhh, but I'm not done yet.

Let's take a look at the Septuagint. Which was the OT the writers of the New Testament used.

1 Samuel 16:12 in the LXX

1 Samuel 16 (Blue Letter Bible: LXX - Greek Septuagint)

καὶ ἀπέστειλεν καὶ εἰσήγαγεν αὐτόν καὶ οὗτος πυρράκης μετὰ κάλλους ὀφθαλμῶν καὶ ἀγαθὸς ὁράσει κυρίῳ καὶ εἶπεν κύριος πρὸς Σαμουηλ ἀνάστα καὶ χρῖσον τὸν Δαυιδ ὅτι οὗτος ἀγαθός ἐστιν

(Notice the word πυρράκης or pyrrάkis?)

Genesis 25:25 in the LXX

Genesis 25 (Blue Letter Bible: LXX - Greek Septuagint)

ἐξῆλθεν δὲ ὁ υἱὸς ὁ πρωτότοκος πυρράκης ὅλος ὡσεὶ δορὰ δασύς ἐπωνόμασεν δὲ τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ Ησαυ

(πυρράκης or pyrrάkis again!)

Now let's look at the Vulgate. As y'all can see, I'm doing these in order of Translation (Original text-Greek-Latin)

1 Samuel 16:12 in the Vulgate

I Samuelis 16:12 VULGATE - misit ergo et adduxit eum erat autem - Bible Gateway

misit ergo et adduxit eum erat autem rufus et pulcher aspectu decoraque facie et ait Dominus surge ungue eum ipse est enim

(Notice the word rufus?)

Genesis 25:25 in the Vulgate

Genesis 25:25 VULGATE - qui primus egressus est rufus erat et - Bible Gateway

qui primus egressus est rufus erat et totus in morem pellis hispidus vocatumque est nomen eius Esau protinus alter egrediens plantam fratris tenebat manu et idcirco appellavit eum Iacob

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In fact, let's look at the Reina Valeria, which is one of the oldest Spanish translations and predates the KJV. The same bible translation GMS once called "the best in Spanish".

1 Samuel 16:12
1 Samuel 16 RVA - Y DIJO Jehová á Samuel: ¿Hasta - Bible Gateway

Envió pues por él, é introdújolo; el cual era rubio, de hermoso parecer y de bello aspecto. Entonces Jehová dijo: Levántate y úngelo, que éste es.

Genesis 25:25

Génesis 25:25 RVA - Y salió el primero rubio, y todo él - Bible Gateway

Y salió el primero rubio, y todo él velludo como una pelliza; y llamaron su nombre Esaú.

(Rubio with the assist! )

Now, as for your poorly thought out argument concerning dukes.

The hebrew word alluph was translated as hegemon(ἡγεμών) in the septuagint. Both Alluph and Hegemon were used for Israelites AND Edomites in the LXX and Tanakh.

http://lexicon.katabiblon.com/index.php?lemma=ἡγεμών

Genesis 36:43 Hebrew Text Analysis
Zechariah 9:7 Hebrew Text Analysis
Zechariah 12:6 Hebrew Text Analysis
Jeremiah 3:4 Hebrew Text Analysis

And guess what?

Dux (from which we get DUKE) was also used for the Israelites in the Vulgate.

Latin Vulgate (Clementine) / Search

I guess that makes everyone an "Edomite" using your silly logic.

 

[Czar]

Both Moses and Paul were confused as Egyptians in the Bible.

During TWO separate period. One when Egypt was thoroughly mixed and wasn't even being ruled by Egyptians anymore (1st century).

Fayum mummy portraits - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Egypt (Roman province) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But if one wants to use the argument of the dynastic period.

Who was Moses confused for? The lighter Skinned Egyptians, or the darker ones

Christ is described as having very dark brown skin and wooly hair by two different prophets (Daniel and John).

Wrong.



Even logical Hebrew Israelites who understand the original Hebrew and Greek texts know those verses are not describing woolly hair and dark skin.

But if you'd like for me to personally break down the examples you're conjecturing from Daniel 10:5-6 and Revelation 1:13-15 in their correct context, I'll be more than glad to do so.

All proof that the real Israelites are so-called black people. That was why the LORD told John in Revelation to write everything in a book so that we know who he is because Edomites were going to start push the Image of the Beast centuries later during iconoclasm (Renaissance period) and during the Alexander the Great's reign before Jesus was born which is stated in the Apocrypha taken out of the original Bible after 200 years. Edomites took it out because it exposes their politics, their lies and how they push heathenism on Israelites and how they changed how real Israelites looked like to the rest of the world which still goes on until today.

Lol

1. Israel was not one uniform color or phenotype. Especially since it included proselytes.

Here's some quick examples to prove a point.

Josephus: The Complete Works - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

Hyrcanus took also Dora and Marissa, cities of Idumea, and subdued all the Idumeans; and permitted them to stay in that country, if they would circumcise their genitals, and make use of the laws of the Jews; and they were so desirous of living in the country of their forefathers, that they submitted to the use of circumcision and of the rest of the Jewish ways of living; at which time therefore this befell them, that they were hereafter no other than Jews.

Esther 8:17

And in every province, and in every city, whithersoever the king's commandment and his decree came, the Jews had joy and gladness, a feast and a good day. And many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them.

Matthew 23:15

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.

Acts 2:5-11

And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

2. While I recognize Catholicism as a corruption of the true Christian faith and as the woman on the beast in Revelations 17, the Apocryphal books are still in their bible (including both Maccabee accounts).

Catholic Bible - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Coincidentally, here are King James' thoughts on the Apocrypha, seeing as he was an Anglican.

Editions of the KJV and the Apocrypha - King James Version Today

“As to the Apocriphe bookes, I omit them because I am no Papist” (Book I:13, Basilicon Doron)

This is why he commissioned to have them placed/set apart from the rest of the canon into their own Apocrypha section in the 1611 KJV. Which was the common practice of Protestant bibles at the time, since they were not under the authority of the RCC. Meaning they could reject writings considered canonical by the RCC which were not in the Hebrew canon, not consistent with the rest of scripture and/or of dubious origins by placing them in a separate section from scripture.

Take the introduction found in the Apocrypha section of the Coverdale Bible of 1534, which predates the KJV.

http://bibles-online.net/1535/

Apocripha, the bokes and treatises which amonge the fathers of olde are not rekened to be of like authorite with the other bokes of the byble, nether are the founde in the canon of the hebrue.

FWIW, 2 Esdras (really 3rd or 4th Esdras) is a false book.



If you'd like for me to personally explain why, just let me know.

That is why Adam, Eve, Moses, the Apostles, Christ are all painted in the likeness of the Romans (michaelangelo, davinci, etc.)

And ironically, those same Romans ALSO made depictions of them with dark skin. Again, you can't play both sides of the argument when it's convenient for you. Ultimately making any image to worship goes against scripture itself (2nd commandment).

Edit: Not to mention 1 Maccabees 3:48 wasn't even talking the nonsense you were trying to read into the text. Which let's me know you haven't even bothered reading the whole thing.


Let's examine that verse within context.

1 Maccabees 3:42-53

42 Now Judas and his brothers saw that misfortunes had increased and that the forces were encamped in their territory. They also learned what the king had commanded to do to the people to cause their final destruction.

43 But they said to one another, “Let us restore the ruins of our people, and fight for our people and the sanctuary.”

44 So the congregation assembled to be ready for battle, and to pray and ask for mercy and compassion.

45 Jerusalem was uninhabited like a wilderness;
not one of her children went in or out.
The sanctuary was trampled down,
and aliens held the citadel;
it was a lodging place for the Gentiles.
Joy was taken from Jacob;
the flute and the harp ceased to play.

46 Then they gathered together and went to Mizpah, opposite Jerusalem, because Israel formerly had a place of prayer in Mizpah.
47 They fasted that day, put on sackcloth and sprinkled ashes on their heads, and tore their clothes.
48 And they opened the book of the law to inquire into those matters about which the Gentiles consulted the likenesses of their gods.
49 They also brought the vestments of the priesthood and the first fruits and the tithes, and they stirred up the nazirites who had completed their days;
50 and they cried aloud to Heaven, saying,

“What shall we do with these?
Where shall we take them?
51 Your sanctuary is trampled down and profaned,
and your priests mourn in humiliation.
52 Here the Gentiles are assembled against us to destroy us;
you know what they plot against us.
53 How will we be able to withstand them,
if you do not help us?”

Precept upon precept until you are destroyed. You not going to twist the Bible anymore.

Lemme just cut you right quick on that precept upon precept nonsense every ignorant HI parrots and uses outta context.

Isaiah 28:10

For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little.”

Problem is, the word must doesn't appear in the original text.

Yesha'yah 28 Hebrew OT: Aleppo Codex
(י כי צו לצו צו לצו קו לקו קו לקו--זעיר שם זעיר שם)

And reading the 3 verses before that proves that verse (in fact all of chapter 28) is one of REBUKE against the Hebrews. Especially when you read verses 11-13

Isaiah 28:11-13

For with stammering lips and another tongue
He will speak to this people,
To whom He said, “This is the rest with which
You may cause the weary to rest,”
And, “This is the refreshing”;
Yet they would not hear.
But the word of the Lord was to them,
“Precept upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little,”
That they might go and fall backward, and be broken
And snared and caught.

You are not an Israelite. Only Israelites with the Spirit of the LORD can rightly divide the Bible. Its not for heathens.

Galatians 3:9-11

Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Heathens by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.

Romans 11:13-26 is the nail in the coffin.


You're too unlearned to be debating this topic breh. Go do some serious study. Stop trolling or parroting the teachings of men who are NOT filled with the spirit and get right with the Most High before it's too late.

 

[Marvel]

Actually there is NO scriptural proof to validate the made up "Edomites are white people" hypothesis you're parroting. I say parroting cause you're only repeating the same 1 West teaching that has been refuted countless times in the past.

Let's start with the Hebrew word used to describe both David and Esau, Admoni.




Now, as for your poorly thought out argument concerning dukes.

You keep trying to deny it, but all the behavioral characteristics show that Esau and the Edomites are white men. From hunting, dwelling in the mountains (Caucasus) stealing even when they have abundance, space travel trying to exalt itself above God, and all forms of wickedness promoted by them. To their soul being comforted by the death of the real Israelites. You don't understand scriptures, only a spiritual man can understand the things of God not some heathen that denies the word of God, then goes back to try and use it.

Hunting (not for food but for fun)

Genesis 25:27
And the boys grew: and Esau was a cunning hunter, a man of the field; and Jacob was a plain man, dwelling in tents.

The Edomite is the reason so many animals are extinct today. You need hunting seasons just to keep Edomites from killing all the animals.

Obadiah 1

1 The vision of Obadiah. Thus saith the Lord God concerning Edom; We have heard a rumour from the Lord, and an ambassador is sent among the heathen, Arise ye, and let us rise up against her in battle.

2 Behold, I have made thee small among the heathen: thou art greatly despised.

3 The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground?

4 Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the Lord.

5 If thieves came to thee, if robbers by night, (how art thou cut off!) would they not have stolen till they had enough? if the grapegatherers came to thee, would they not leave some grapes?

6 How are the things of Esau searched out! how are his hidden things sought up!

Breakdown

Verse 1 - prophecy of the so-called white man.

Verse 2 - white people are a small population compared to other heathen nations (non-Israelite)

Verse 3 - white people pride of being on top. Dwelt in the mountains (Caucasus mountains) modern day origin since leaving the middle east. White people built tall building before any groups because of their pride of wanting to feel above the rest of the world. You say within your minds that nobody can bring you down.

Verse 4 - Space travel aboves the heavens (sky) and setting your flag on the moon saying "The Eagle has landed". Setting moon as the nest for the eagle.

Verse 5 - LORD call white people thieves and asking...haven't you stolen enough. Normal robbers steal what they can get and leave, the white man steals more than he needs and comes back again and again for more and more. He can't stop, he has the spirit of Esau, his father.

The solution according to the LORD

10 For thy violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off for ever.

The Edomite will be cut off forever says the LORD. But before the Edomite is cut off completely he will go into slavery for a thousand years as stated in Revelation. And as it is written....

2 Edras 6:9
For Esau is the end of the world, and Jacob is the beginning of it that followeth.

 

[Marvel]

@LionofJudah

This guy @Czar doesn't want to submit to the LORD yet quotes scriptures. Doesn't that remind you of somebody?

 

[Czar]

You keep trying to deny it, but all the behavioral characteristics show that Esau and the Edomites are white men. From hunting, dwelling in the mountains (Caucasus) stealing even when they have abundance, space travel trying to exalt itself above God, and all forms of wickedness promoted by them. To their soul being comforted by the death of the real Israelites. You don't understand scriptures, only a spiritual man can understand the things of God not some heathen that denies the word of God, then goes back to try and use it.

Hunting (not for food but for fun)

The Edomite is the reason so many animals are extinct today. You need hunting seasons just to keep Edomites from killing all the animals.

Cush begot Nimrod; he began to be a mighty one on the earth. He was a mighty hunter before the Lord; therefore it is said, “Like Nimrod the mighty hunter before the Lord.”

I guess Nimrod was an Edomite too.


In fact....

Let's stop here before you get embarrassed some more.

Obadiah 1

Breakdown

The solution according to the LORD

Eisegesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




[/quote]
The Edomite will be cut off forever says the LORD. But before the Edomite is cut off completely he will go into slavery for a thousand years as stated in Revelation. And as it is written....[/quote]

The Edomites no longer exist breh.







Step your historical and biblical knowledge up.

 

[Czar]

@LionofJudah

This guy @Czar doesn't want to submit to the LORD yet quotes scriptures. Doesn't that remind you of somebody?

Lol look at this coward calling for LOJ to hold his hand cause he's been getting cut the last couple posts.

Me and the lord are good.

You on the other hand....

.

 

[Marvel]

You're too unlearned to be debating this topic breh. Go do some serious study. Stop trolling or parroting the teachings of men who are NOT filled with the spirit and get right with the Most High before it's too late.

You do not know the LORD, its too obvious. Answer this...Did he come the first time to die for all nations or just Israel (Jacob's seed)?

 

[Marvel]

I guess Nimrod was an Edomite too.


In fact....

Let's stop here before you get embarrassed some more.







Eisegesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Edomite will be cut off forever says the LORD. But before the Edomite is cut off completely he will go into slavery for a thousand years as stated in Revelation. And as it is written....[/quote]

The Edomites no longer exist breh.







Step your historical and biblical knowledge up.[/QUOTE]

You keep coming with videos from false prophets...you are losing dude. "Africans" are hunting for money because that is what Esau taught him. Before Esau came, animals were available in abundance throughout Africa. The whole world has been corrupted by Esau that is why the world is passing away because he is the end of the world. Why don't you respond to Obidah the first chapter.

 

[Marvel]

Lol look at this coward calling for LOJ to hold his hand cause he's been getting cut the last couple posts.

Me and the lord are good.

You on the other hand....

.

Are you an Israelite?