The Official Debunking Hebrew Israelites Thread

[Czar]

He only healed her daughter because she being outside the house of Israel is as a dogs in his Kingdom when he returns back. That is why he said.



What was her saying?



Do you know who the children she and Jesus are referring to?

31 Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. 32 And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”

33 They answered Him, “We are Abraham’s descendants, and have never been in bondage to anyone. How can You say, ‘You will be made free’?”

34 Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. 35 And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. 36 Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.

37 “I know that you are Abraham’s descendants, but you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you. 38 I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have seen with your father.”

39 They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.”

Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. 41 You do the deeds of your father.”

Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”

42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”

48 Then the Jews answered and said to Him, “Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon?”

49 Jesus answered, “I do not have a demon; but I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me. 50 And I do not seek My own glory; there is One who seeks and judges. 51 Most assuredly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he shall never see death.”

52 Then the Jews said to Him, “Now we know that You have a demon! Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and You say, ‘If anyone keeps My word he shall never taste death.’ 53 Are You greater than our father Abraham, who is dead? And the prophets are dead. Who do You make Yourself out to be?”

54 Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your God. 55 Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”

57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”

58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

So when he called the Jews children of the devil, he was really talking to the gentiles there huh

 

[Marvel]

Well, I think it's clear to anyone who has seen this devil's posts since last summer that he DOESN'T BELIEVE IN THE MOST HIGH OR HIS SON. Now, this isn't a shock to me because I know white people (Edomites) like him are Satan in the flesh, but I at least thought he SOMEWHAT believed in the Holy Book as it is written, although he obviously wanted to pervert it. But he doesn't, and there's no reason for you @Czar to ever @ me again. You're the devil, and I hope you die a thousand deaths. I wish I spit through the computer. Drop dead Edomite. I'm out Marvel. Quit wasting your time.

I feel ya. Dude has the endurance of Satan, loving lies. I bet you he doesn't keep the sabbath and shaves his beard.

So when he called the Jews children of the devil, he was really talking to the gentiles there huh

Children of the devil are those that don't believe his word. He is speaking of the spirit, not of the flesh. But you can't see that.

 

[Czar]

I bet you he doesn't keep the sabbath and shaves his beard.

Colossians 2:16-17

So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Romans 10:4

For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believes.

Children of the devil are those that don't believe his word. He is speaking of the spirit, not of the flesh. But you can't see that.

No kidding breh. I'm was being facetious by pointing out YOUR faulty logic.



Btw @Marvel


Esther 8:17

And in every province, and in every city, whithersoever the king's commandment and his decree came, the Jews had joy and gladness, a feast and a good day. And many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them.

Josephus: The Complete Works - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

Hyrcanus took also Dora and Marissa, cities of Idumea, and subdued all the Idumeans; and permitted them to stay in that country, if they would circumcise their genitals, and make use of the laws of the Jews; and they were so desirous of living in the country of their forefathers, that they submitted to the use of circumcision,418 and of the rest of the Jewish ways of living; at which time therefore this befell them, that they were hereafter no other than Jews.

You can stop running from these.


Edit and these too (Matthew 23:15, Acts 2:11, Ezekiel 47:21-23, Acts 16:1-3, 1 Chronicles 2:34-26, Judith 14:10, Exodus 12:37-38)

In fact.

Acts 24:24

And after certain days, when Felix came with his wife Drusilla, which was a Jewess, he sent for Paul, and heard him concerning the faith in Christ.

Why was Drusilla called a Jew in that verse, if her father was an Edomite?

 

[Czar]

To add on about the Samaritans...

Ezra 4:10

and the rest of the nations whom the great and noble Asnapper brought over, and set in the cities of Samaria, and the rest that are on this side the river, and at such a time.

From Josephus (1st century Hebrew historian) in Antiquities of the Jews

Josephus: Antiquities of the Jews: Book 9

1. When Shalmaneser, the King of Assyria, had it told him that [Hoshea], the King of Israel had sent privately to So, the King of Egypt, desiring his assistance against him, he was very angry, and made an expedition against Samaria, in the seventh year of the reign of Hoshea; but when he was not admitted [into the city] by the King, he besieged Samaria three years, (24) and took it by force in the ninth year of the reign of Hoshea, and in the seventh year of Hezekiah, King of Jerusalem, and quite demolished the government of the Israelites, and transplanted all the people into Media and Persia, among whom he took King Hoshea alive; and when he had removed these people out of this their land, he transplanted other nations out of Cuthah, a place so called, (for there is [still] a river of that name in Persia), into Samaria, and into the country of the Israelites. So the ten tribes of the Israelites were removed out of Judea nine hundred and forty-seven years after their forefathers were come out of the land of Egypt...

3. But now the Cutheans, who removed into Samaria, (for that is the name they have been called by to this time, because they were brought out of the country called Cuthah, which is a country of Persia, and there is a river of the same name in it), each of them, according to their nations, which were in number five, brought their own gods into Samaria, and by worshipping them, as was the custom of their own countries, they provoked Almighty God to be angry and displeased at them, for a plague seized upon them, by which they were destroyed: and when they found no cure for their miseries, they learned by the oracle, that they ought to worship Almighty God, as the method for their deliverance. So they sent ambassadors to the King of Assyria, and desired him to send them some of those priests of the Israelites whom he had taken captive: And when he thereupon sent them, and the people were by them taught the laws, and the holy worship of God, they worshipped him in a respectful manner, and the plague ceased immediately: and indeed they continue to make use of the very same customs to this very time, and are called in the Hebrew tongue Cutheans, but in the Greek tongue Samaritans. And when they see the Jews in prosperity, they pretend that they are changed, and allied to them, and call them kinsmen, as though they were derived from Joseph, and had by that means an original alliance with them; but when they see them falling into a low condition, they say they are no way related to them, and that the Jews have no right to expect any kindness or marks of kindred from them, but they* (*Samaritans) declare that they* (*Samaritans) are sojourners, that come from other countries: But of these we shall have a more seasonable opportunity to discourse hereafter.

John 4:22

You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews.

Matthew 10:5-6

These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter any city of the Samaritans. 6 but rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. .

^When Jesus told the disciples that, it was clear that the message had to be taken to the lost sheep of Israel (which included Judah) first. Then again, the disciples didn't preach to the Samaritans (who weren't Israelites) in John 4, Christ did. And it was a foreshadowing of what the disciples would eventually do with the Gentiles (i.e non-Israelites).

Hence Acts 1:4-8, John 10:15-16, Matthew 28:19, Mark 16:15, 8:26-40, 9:15, 10, 11, 15, 17 etc.

But It's painfully obvious that neither of you understand scripture or history.

 

[Czar]

Exodus 12:37-38 talks about the Egyptians who left with Israel outta Egypt.

Those same people were present in Deuteronomy 29:10-13, where they were not only adopted into Israel, but adopted their forefathers as well.

10 “All of you stand today before the Lord your God: your leaders and your tribes and your elders and your officers, all the men of Israel, 11 your little ones and your wives—also the stranger who is in your camp, from the one who cuts your wood to the one who draws your water— 12 that you may enter into covenant with the Lord your God, and into His oath, which the Lord your God makes with you today, 13 that He may establish you today as a people for Himself, and that He may be God to you, just as He has spoken to you, and just as He has sworn to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

They were also present in Joshua 8:33-36

Then all Israel, with their elders and officers and judges, stood on either side of the ark before the priests, the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, the stranger as well as he who was born among them. Half of them were in front of Mount Gerizim and half of them in front of Mount Ebal, as Moses the servant of the Lord had commanded before, that they should bless the people of Israel. 34 And afterward he read all the words of the law, the blessings and the cursings, according to all that is written in the Book of the Law. 35 There was not a word of all that Moses had commanded which Joshua did not read before all the assembly of Israel, with the women, the little ones, and the strangers who were living among them.

Ezekiel drives this point home further in 47:21-23

“Thus you shall divide this land among yourselves according to the tribes of Israel. It shall be that you will divide it by lot as an inheritance for yourselves, and for the strangers who dwell among you and who bear children among you. They shall be to you as native-born among the children of Israel; they shall have an inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel. And it shall be that in whatever tribe the stranger dwells, there you shall give him his inheritance,” says the Lord God.

Solomon even asked the lord to answer the prayers of the non-Israelites called to him in 1 Kings 8:41-43

41 “Moreover, concerning a foreigner, who is not of Your people Israel, but has come from a far country for Your name’s sake 42 for they will hear of Your great name and Your strong hand and Your outstretched arm, when he comes and prays toward this temple, 43 hear in heaven Your dwelling place, and do according to all for which the foreigner calls to You, that all peoples of the earth may know Your name and fear You, as do Your people Israel, and that they may know that this temple which I have built is called by Your name.

Ruth 1:1-17 speaks for itself

Now it came to pass, in the days when the judges ruled, that there was a famine in the land. And a certain man of Bethlehem, Judah, went to dwell in the country of Moab, he and his wife and his two sons.
2 The name of the man was Elimelech, the name of his wife was Naomi, and the names of his two sons were Mahlon and Chilion—Ephrathites of Bethlehem, Judah. And they went to the country of Moab and remained there. 3 Then Elimelech, Naomi’s husband, died; and she was left, and her two sons. 4 Now they took wives of the women of Moab: the name of the one was Orpah, and the name of the other Ruth. And they dwelt there about ten years. 5 Then both Mahlon and Chilion also died; so the woman survived her two sons and her husband.

6 Then she arose with her daughters-in-law that she might return from the country of Moab, for she had heard in the country of Moab that the Lord had visited His people by giving them bread. 7 Therefore she went out from the place where she was, and her two daughters-in-law with her; and they went on the way to return to the land of Judah. 8 And Naomi said to her two daughters-in-law, “Go, return each to her mother’s house. The Lord deal kindly with you, as you have dealt with the dead and with me. 9 The Lord grant that you may find rest, each in the house of her husband.”

So she kissed them, and they lifted up their voices and wept. 10 And they said to her, “Surely we will return with you to your people.”

11 But Naomi said, “Turn back, my daughters; why will you go with me? Are there still sons in my womb, that they may be your husbands? 12 Turn back, my daughters, go—for I am too old to have a husband. If I should say I have hope, if I should have a husband tonight and should also bear sons, 13 would you wait for them till they were grown? Would you restrain yourselves from having husbands? No, my daughters; for it grieves me very much for your sakes that the hand of the Lord has gone out against me!”

14 Then they lifted up their voices and wept again; and Orpah kissed her mother-in-law, but Ruth clung to her.

15 And she said, “Look, your sister-in-law has gone back to her people and to her gods; return after your sister-in-law.”

16 But Ruth said:

“Entreat me not to leave you,
Or to turn back from following after you;
For wherever you go, I will go;
And wherever you lodge, I will lodge;
Your people shall be my people,
And your God, my God.
17 Where you die, I will die,
And there will I be buried.
The Lord do so to me, and more also,
If anything but death parts you and me.”

I wonder who Ruth was the great grandmother of and I wonder if that man had any Canaanites, Moabites or Ammonites in his army?

 

[Drummage_EL]

So y'all using the new testament to prove your arguments? If you use the new testament you lose by default.

I'm not singling anybody out by the why. I'm just referring to anybody who believes in it.

 

[Czar]

@Marvel

There is no repentance for Esau. Anybody who continues to be a part of that church is destined for damnation.

Hebrews 12
16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

Too bad Hebrews 12:16 (or Genesis 25:29-34) isn't talking about meat

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/the-official-debunking-hebrew-israelites-thread.197545/#post-7678588

and Esau wasn't white.

From Josephus himself, a 1st century Jew historian.

http://www.ccel.org/j/josephus/works/ant-1.htm

Chapter 18, section 6.

6. Accordingly, Esau went out a hunting. But Rebeka (33) thinking it proper to have the supplication made for obtaining the favor of God to Jacob, and that without the consent of Isaac, bid him kill kids of the goats, and prepare a supper. So Jacob obeyed his mother, according to all her instructions. Now when the supper was got ready, he took a goat's skin, and put it about his arm, that by reason of its hairy roughness, he might by his father be believed to be Esau; for they being twins, and in all things else alike, differed only in this thing.

Genesis 25:24

So when her days were fulfilled for her to give birth, indeed there were twins in her womb

 

[Dmoneythegoat]

Even though I'm not a Hebrew Israelite
Their is evidence stating that Abraham Jacob Moses Jesus and the original Jews were black African
Are white people Esau idk
Books such as
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00HTRX8Y2/ref=kina_tdp?ie=UTF8

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00O1IBFVU/ref=kina_tdp?ie=UTF8

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00R0LGB8W/ref=kina_tdp?ie=UTF8

The Hebrew Heritage of Black Africa Fully Documented

 

[Dr. Sebi Jr.]

We're the real Hebrews.

We're also the real Muslims.

And the real Native Americans.


Buzz Aldrin was Black.

 

[Marreese AKA " Big Reese"]

@Marvel



Too bad Hebrews 12:16 (or Genesis 25:29-34) isn't talking about meat

The Official Debunking Hebrew Israelites Thread

and Esau wasn't white.

From Josephus himself, a 1st century Jew historian.

http://www.ccel.org/j/josephus/works/ant-1.htm

Chapter 18, section 6.

damn you bodied em

 

[ⒶⓁⒾⒶⓈ]

It really took 22 pages to debunk men who wear dresses and believe in magical fairy tales.

 

[Menelik II]

It really took 22 pages to debunk men who wear dresses and believe in magical fairy tales.

22 pages of arguing the nuances and details of ancient folk tales. we should spend this mental energy on something relevant that has some bearing to reality.

 

[Everythingg]

Even though I'm not a Hebrew Israelite
Their is evidence stating that Abraham Jacob Moses Jesus and the original Jews were black African
Are white people Esau idk
Books such as
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00HTRX8Y2/ref=kina_tdp?ie=UTF8

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00O1IBFVU/ref=kina_tdp?ie=UTF8

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00R0LGB8W/ref=kina_tdp?ie=UTF8

The Hebrew Heritage of Black Africa Fully Documented

This is what brehs dont wanna address, especially the ones that call it "fairy tales". How come the people that say they are Israelites today look white, yet say their people were in a land with black Egyptians getting mistaken for black Egyptians? If the Israelites were in Egypt getting mistaken for Egyptians, that means they were black. Its that simple really unless we argue that Egypt wasnt black which is laughable argument at this point.

Once we get to the understanding of the Israelites being black, its like who are their descendants? And going by current events, no one is hated more than the negro. Theres the answer if you ask me

 

[ⒶⓁⒾⒶⓈ]

This is what brehs dont wanna address, especially the ones that call it "fairy tales". How come the people that say they are Israelites today look white, yet say their people were in a land with black Egyptians getting mistaken for black Egyptians? If the Israelites were in Egypt getting mistaken for Egyptians, that means they were black. Its that simple really unless we argue that Egypt wasnt black which is laughable argument at this point.

Once we get to the understanding of the Israelites being black, its like who are their descendants? And going by current events, no one is hated more than the negro. Theres the answer if you ask me

Nobody claims they were white...they were sandcacs...Jesus looked more like Osama than that Blue eyed Cac on a cross.... ......All Negros came from Africa


This guy could hide in many places in Africa without standing out...you forget not all africans have uniform complexion.

 

[Everythingg]

Nobody claims they were white

You mean except the cacs in Israel who say they descend from Israelites?

...they were sandcacs...

Ancient Egypt was black breh. Through and through. Yes, blacks come in different shades, but they're still black whether they're light skinned or dark. And if the Egyptians were black, then so were the ancient Israelites who often got mistaken for being Egyptians.

So if its all myth and fairytales,why are those in power lying about the identity of the Israelites and how the identity they give us doesnt match the same timeline they give us? No detractors can answer this..