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King-Over-Kingz
Only the uninformed think "Africa" every time the word "black" is mentioned even though there were blacks in Africa Asia Europe and the Americas before anyone else
The Official Debunking Hebrew Israelites Thread
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Only the uninformed think "Africa" every time the word "black" is mentioned even though there were blacks in Africa Asia Europe and the Americas before anyone else
First you misread a sign and then grabbed a bad European misread of a name, and now you gonna make up stuff from Deuteronomy 28 THAT bad?
Deuteronomy 28 was a prophesy about what happened to the Israelities IN BABYLON. Everyone has known this for over 2,000 years. You somehow going to change the prophesy over 2,000 years after the fact?
And it don't say nothing about 300 years or hanging on trees or yokes of iron in Deuteronomy 28.
Not to mention that getting bound in yokes and getting hung from trees is what happens to just about EVERY slave group.
Nothing in the Deuteronomy 28 passage matches the American slave experience even close. Where the hell there olive trees in the South? Where they growing grapevines? Were White Southerners slaveowners actually pagans worshipping stone idols? Was the South a dusty desert full of droughts? When did the slave traders lay siege to city walls and starve them within their own cities until they started cannibalism?
You're trying to take the vaguest, most ridiculous connections and call them evidence for your wack theory, while ignoring that the actual details don't match up at ALL.
Then what the hell do you think happened?
The only place you can find "Juda" in ANY information about West Africa is on a damn English map. There ain't no tribe named Juda there. That's why you didn't use no damn evidence from Africa itself, you had to use a stupid English map as your evidence.
The Kingdom of Xwéda (pronounced o-wi-dah) is a KNOWN kingdom from African history. They spoke the Yoruba language. The city of Ouidah exists in Benin to this very day. It is a KNOWN fact that Europeans massacred every damn African word that came into their mouths and couldn't pronounce anything right. It is KNOWN that the Porguguese called the Kingdom of Xwéda, "The Kingdom of Ajudá" and that the French were even worse and called it, "Juida" and then the English warped it into something they knew and called it "Juda."
All of this is recorded history. It's not from looking at no damn British map and just reading words off of it. It's actually KNOWING what going on in Africa.
If "Juda" isn't the b*stardized "Ouidah", like we already know it is, then where the hell is Ouidah on that map? Why ain't it there, and why is Juda in the exact place where Ouidah supposed to be?
What are you talking about?
I pointed out that North African and West African DNA is different. That Egyptians clearly have North African DNA, and West Africans don't.
I don't know what the hell this whole diversion about. I agree that European Jews are mixed with White blood. None of that somehow turns African-Americans into Hebrews.
Is that a real question?
There's are "yah" all OVER Muslim names, everywhere in the world where there been Muslims. And the Muslims were in West Africa and had the kings there embracing Islam for over FIVE HUNDRED YEARS before the White Man ever got there.
Yassou, Yahya, Yathrun, Yahia, Yaakoub, Yasoua,Yasira, Yakootah, Yasmeen, Yafiah, Yamha, Yaman, Yazeed, Yaaseen, Diyaa, Ghiyaa, Ma'awiya, Saariyah, Irmiyaa, Leya, Madyan, Nehemiyya, Safniyaa, Safniyaa, Zachariya, Ubaydīyā, Matatiya, Hurayrah, Asiya, Badriya, Bahiyaa, Fawziya, Haadiya, Haniya, Inaya, Mawiya, Ghalliya, Hooriya, Khairiya, Najiya, Nazeeya, Radhiyaa, Raniya, Raawiya, Ruqaya, Safiya, Saamiya, Shaadiya, Sumaiyaa, Thuraya, Wafiya, Zakiyaa - all Muslim names. You got "ya" beginnings and endings in Arab/Muslim influenced cultures from Africa to India to Indonesia.
You see that "yah" beginning or ending from any Middle Eastern culture, not just Hebrews. Not to mention it's just a freaking syllable - the "ya" is an honorific added to the end of Korean names and sometimes is put on the end of Japanese names, so it probably in cultures all over the world. Literally one sound.
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King-Over-Kingz
First you misread a sign and then grabbed a bad European misread of a name, and now you gonna make up stuff from Deuteronomy 28 THAT bad?
Deuteronomy 28 was a prophesy about what happened to the Israelities IN BABYLON. Everyone has known this for over 2,000 years. You somehow going to change the prophesy over 2,000 years after the fact?
They weren't in Babylon for 400 years breh. You're going to have to try harder. And you'll have to run it by me how they were taken IN SHIPS to Babylon too...
And it don't say nothing about 300 years or hanging on trees or yokes of iron in Deuteronomy 28.
Not to mention that getting bound in yokes and getting hung from trees is what happens to just about EVERY slave group.
Nothing in the Deuteronomy 28 passage matches the American slave experience even close. Where the hell there olive trees in the South? Where they growing grapevines? Were White Southerners slaveowners actually pagans worshipping stone idols? Was the South a dusty desert full of droughts? When did the slave traders lay siege to city walls and starve them within their own cities until they started cannibalism?
You're trying to take the vaguest, most ridiculous connections and call them evidence for your wack theory, while ignoring that the actual details don't match up at ALL.
Just stop rambling on and on and connect those three things I posted to any group it has happened to. You can't so you start rambling
Deuteronomy 28, if you'd read it, has curses for when they're in their own land AND for when they're in foreign lands. It doesnt just happen at one swipe one after the other. Its a curse that will span the timeline of 400 years. And likewise I said the BIBLE (not just Deuteronomy 28) speaks of these things (meaning the aforementioned curses). And not just these things but others that I have in the chamber. But before we can even get to that you have to again, try connecting the the ones already mentioned to at least ONE group of people. And when you fail to that, we'll continue from there because I came to the conclusion I did based off SCRIPTURE. I only used those things outside of scripture because I assumed (and still do) that you dont believe in the scriptures.
They knew who they were enslaving. And based on the scriptures they knew that they'd succeed in doing so because God had left them to their own devices. And the map I brought was kinda small but it clearly says Kingdom of Judah/Why(i)dah.. Like clearly. So they knew the pronunciation of the place and still chose to call it something completely different. Because they knew who was there but that doesnt mean they were the ONLY ones who were there. As far as pronunciations, you have more of a point with Igbo/Ebony/Ebonics. And before/after/simultaneously it was "Igbo" it was Heebo. Which is very similar to Eber/Hebrew. Which is also close to Iberia. But besides that, what you're telling me is that its a coincidence that a people that look at least SIMILAR to REAL Egyptians (not the ones there now) got captured from a land called "Juda" by people who enslaved "blacks" like them either from there or other places (Americas), and got taken to another place on ships to be enslaved for what has almost 400 years while they have been lynched, oppressed, dumbfounded and more. All of this is bibilcal and throughout the world only fits blacks. It doesnt fit those white guys you keep calling Jewish thats for sure and you're failure to bring at least ONE other group all these aforementioned things match proves my point ever so clearly. And in fact, the most popular of the Jews (Ashkenazi) descend from Japeth (not Shem like the Hebrews) according to the BIBLE. Again, do some research breh. You dont know what you're talking about....
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King-Over-Kingz
What are you talking about?
I pointed out that North African and West African DNA is different. That Egyptians clearly have North African DNA, and West Africans don't.
I don't know what the hell this whole diversion about. I agree that European Jews are mixed with White blood. None of that somehow turns African-Americans into Hebrews.
You cant understand what I said but somehow you know the truth?
Again, ALL of the so called land of Africa was filled with black people. All of it. North to South. No, not all one race but as far the modern sense of usage, they were black. Euro Jews could not go there and fit in with them in the time Moses was purported to have existed. At that time, Egypt was black. Period. If you're going to argue against that, then I'll say again
CAC ALERT
Is that a real question?
Absolutely was. Notice in all those places Hebrews were. They were in the middle east, they were in Africa, and they were in Asia. At different times. But more importantly, its the totality of what Im bringing. You cant match all these things to any other group. So instead of admitting that, you want to try to pass everything off as a coincidence.
"Oh its a coincidence they were taken to another place to be enslaved for up to 400 years" (and I only asked you for 300 lol)
"Oh its a coincidence some of them were taken from a place called "Judah" by their oppressors (who later used the bible to confound them more)
"Oh its a coincidence that some of their names had the name of Yah in it"
"Oh its a coincidence that they were hung from trees like the bible says cursed people are"
And those are the only things I brought so far. Yet when I pass the ball to you and say "You match it with someone" you come back empty handed. Well besides your worthless ramblings. Im passing the ball to you breh. MATCH these things with another group. And when you do, we'll go further from there because theres more where that came from.. Heres another one though. While the pope passes off white jesus/mary in public, in private heres what they see:
And like I said, theres more where even this came from.. But first off, you need to do something with the ball instead of rambling... Get to matching breh or admit you're just a scoffer....
Wait, so now the British believe in the Hebrew Israelites too.
I'm sure you have all sorts of evidence for that.
Look, your movement didn't even EXIST before the late 1880s. No Africans believed it, no European slavers believed it, no Hebrews or Arabs believed it, NO ONE believed it. It was made up around 1886. You livin' in a fantasy land if you think that everyone believed in Hebrew Israelites so clearly that they supposedly put it on a damn map, but otherwise don't say ONE DAMN WORD about it in all the rest of history.
Where you randomly coming up with 400 years? Ain't no 400 years in Deuteronomy 28. You're just pulling that in out of nowhere.
And this is the line you are talking about:
"The Lord will bring you back in ships to Egypt, by a route that I promised you would never see again; and there you shall offer yourselves for sale to your enemies as male and female slaves, but there will be no buyer." - Deuteronomy 28:68
That is OBVIOUSLY about the exile, not about American slavery. How is America Egypt? How is going to America to be going "back" by "a route that I promised you would never see again"? How did they "offer themselves" as slaves, and how were there no buyer?
It can't be about going to America unless you now gonna claim that the Hebrew Israelites were in America first, then Egypt, then Israel, then Africa, then finally back in America again.
And why you emphasizing 400 years anyway, when slavery in America didn't last anything close to 400 years? Not to mention there no "400 years" in Deuteronomy. Are you confusing the 400 years that they had ALREADY spent in Egypt before they came to the promised land with the exile that came AFTER the promised land?
Just stop rambling on and on and connect those three things I posted to any group it has happened to. You can't so you start rambling
You picked three things at random from completely different parts of the Bible and claimed they matched the Black experinence. And one of those three was "taken on ships to Egypt", which didn't match Black people at all. The other two (getting put in shackles and getting hung) were things that happen to oppressed people EVERYWHERE. I showed you that nothing else in those passages matches Black people at all cause it all about olives and grapes and your captors being pagans with wood and stone idols. You theory don't fit at all. You're being random as hell at this point.
I'm a faithful follower of the God of the Bible, so don't be casting aspersions on me.
And your interpretation makes no sense. So every time someone doesn't fit your view, you gonna claim, "oh yeah, but that was one of the things that happened in Israel."
Answer this question - is there ANYTHING that could disprove your theory?
You cant understand what I said but somehow you know the truth?
Understanding the random things you blabbing about is NOT a prerequisite to knowing the truth.
Like I said, my WIFE is Egyptian, traces her ancestry back to the earliest Christians in the 1st century, and she don't look nothing like a West African. There are Egyptians in all sorts of shades, and I agree they were probably darker skinned back in the day than now, but they still have North African DNA.
Egyptians have North African genes. African-Americans have West African genes. They ain't the same.
And who the hell said that Euro Jews went to Egypt? Euro Jews didn't exist 3000 years ago. The mixing with White people came AFTER the exile, not before.
They ain't even coincidences, they just made-up BS.
But Africans weren't enslaved in America for 400 years, so how is that even a "coincidence"?
But they weren't taken from a place called Judah, it was called Ouidah. NO African ever called it Judah.
Yeah, because EVERYWHERE that Islam spread from Africa to India you got people whose names have "yah" in them.
Victims of slavery/oppression/genocide get their bodies hung EVERYWHERE that shyt happens. Do you seriously not watch the news?
And those are the only things I brought so far. Yet when I pass the ball to you and say "You match it with someone" you come back empty handed. Well besides your worthless ramblings. Im passing the ball to you breh. MATCH these things with another group. And when you do, we'll go further from there because theres more where that came from.. Heres another one though. While the pope passes off white jesus/mary in public, in private heres what they see:
And like I said, theres more where even this came from.. But first off, you need to do something with the ball instead of rambling... Get to matching breh or admit you're just a scoffer....
Wait, now you're using a public picture and an icon of Black Madonna to pretend the Catholics got some private conspiracy going on and they all believe in Hebrew Israelites too?
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The current Hebrew Israelite theory is now:
* Africans always knew they were Hebrew Israelites, they just never said a word about, didn't tell anyone, and forgot all about it until some random pastor named Wentworth suddenly remembered in 1896 on some Joseph Smith shyt.
* The British slavetraders all knew that the Africans were Hebrew Israelites (how the hell would they have found out even if it were true?), they just never wrote it down, never told anyone, and kept it a total secret for a thousand years.
* The Catholics all knew that the Africans were Hebrew Israelite, they just never wrote it down, never told anyone, and kept it a total secret for two thousand years.
You talk about Hebrew Israelite being a giant 3,000 year conspiracy that Black people, White people, and Hebrew people all knew about, yet NO ONE ever wrote it down or talked about it anywhere. Like the info just being passed down all these secret channels until Wentworth suddenly finds the truth in 1896 and goes public with it, right?
You believe all THAT, but you started your "proof" by accidentally posting your confused misinterpretation of an American street sign from 2009.
* Africans always knew they were Hebrew Israelites, they just never said a word about, didn't tell anyone, and forgot all about it until some random pastor named Wentworth suddenly remembered in 1896 on some Joseph Smith shyt.
* The British slavetraders all knew that the Africans were Hebrew Israelites (how the hell would they have found out even if it were true?), they just never wrote it down, never told anyone, and kept it a total secret for a thousand years.
* The Catholics all knew that the Africans were Hebrew Israelite, they just never wrote it down, never told anyone, and kept it a total secret for two thousand years.
You talk about Hebrew Israelite being a giant 3,000 year conspiracy that Black people, White people, and Hebrew people all knew about, yet NO ONE ever wrote it down or talked about it anywhere. Like the info just being passed down all these secret channels until Wentworth suddenly finds the truth in 1896 and goes public with it, right?
You believe all THAT, but you started your "proof" by accidentally posting your confused misinterpretation of an American street sign from 2009.
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King-Over-Kingz
Wait, so now the British believe in the Hebrew Israelites too.
Bruh the elite know what Im saying is true. They know the scriptures and exactly who its talking about. Why else do you think they've gone to such great extent to keep blacks down in the Americas? In Nigeria, the Yoruba go to great extents to keep the igbo down. And this is happening to so called black people around the world. Not the Jewish cac man you want to hold as the descendants of the biblical Israelites. Biblical Israelites that looked similar to the the ancient Egyptians/Kushytes/Ethiopians/Nubians. And just so we're clear, I dont care about your anecdotal "my wife says" story. The ancient Egyptians depicted themselves as so called black similar to how they depicted the Kushytes/Nubians/Ethiopians. The Greeks called the Ethiopians and Egyptians black.. But yea the elite definitely know who the Israelites are...
And Judaism didnt exist till the 7-10 century (cant remember). Yet you dont scrutinize them for not being descendants of biblical Israelites who looked like black/brown Egyptians...
You're a cac arent you?
That lets me know that for sure if theres anything you're a follower of is the cac interpretation of jesus christ.. The 400 years is a reference to the promise to Abraham that his descendants would be enslaved/oppressed in a foreign land for 400 years. And before you start they werent in Egypt for 400 years during the time of Moses. None of the biblical enslavements happened for 400 years either. So if that God is real (He is) what He said will happen. And yet you cant bring any group that it has happened to? Yet I can bring a group that matches at least three instances?And then you want to argue against my use of America, when you said it referred to Babylon :mjlol Is Babylon Egypt all of a sudden? The true understanding is that Egypt means house of bondage.. And America (among other places worldwide) have been a house of bondage to so called blacks...
Bruh stop rambling. I've asked multiple times for you to match it to another group and you keep rambling. If its made up, make it up with another group. And once you do that, I'll keep adding onto the pile and we'll see what stands where. But you wont because you dont know what you're talking about.. Theres nothing random about what I did, I showed you three things that matched blacks and asked you to do the same for any group. You still havent brought one to the table. Because like I said, I have more in the chamber so even if you could do what I asked, you couldnt keep it going. But you cant even match the three I brought so you keep rambling.
Sure breh
The rest of this post is worthless. Its just you stalling the fact that you cant present a group that matches it up to the standards that I've presented. At all. You keep saying they're out there, well then where? Who? Because it certainly aint those cacs calling themselves Jews. And like I said, the main ones (Ashkenazi) come from Japheth (not Shem) according to the bible. So stop stalling and match it up. Otherwise this verse:
Deuteronomy 28:46
And they shall be upon you for a sign and a wonder, and on your descendants forever.
Remains on blacks and blacks alone. If Im wrong about that, then show me who it is... You wont because you cant so the next post will be more stalling. I can keep going with matches, but I want you to point out who the descendants are. And if you say "no one knows" then I'll point out how you dont believe in the "God of the bile". Unless by that you mean that cac version of christianity....
Wait, now you're using a public picture and an icon of Black Madonna to pretend the Catholics got some private conspiracy going on and they all believe in Hebrew Israelites too?
Bruh, theres even more where that came from. But you cant even keep up with what I've given already. Im really just toying around with you for fun, because it doesnt matter if you believe or dont believe what I say. Its true. And thats why you ccant present ONE group that matches it up to the standards I've already presented. But yea, theres more "black" pictures, than what I presented, but again, you have to address what has already been presented... But you're probably a cac so you're not even a human like me according to your scientists
You can't keep nothing straight, can you.
I'm out. You keep making the silliest little mistakes and getting random crap confused. What already on here speak for itself.
They didn't have Hebrew names, couldn't speak Hebrew, didn't have any of the Hebrew writings, didn't share any of the Hebrew stories, but they were Hebrews just because some of them had a "yah" in their name. Just like the Indian Muslims are Hebrews too then.
I'm out. You keep making the silliest little mistakes and getting random crap confused. What already on here speak for itself.
They didn't have Hebrew names, couldn't speak Hebrew, didn't have any of the Hebrew writings, didn't share any of the Hebrew stories, but they were Hebrews just because some of them had a "yah" in their name. Just like the Indian Muslims are Hebrews too then.
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King-Over-Kingz
As I said, Egyptians looked like Israelites who looked like Nubians/Kushytes/Ethiopians. Thats why in the NT, Jesus was said to run to Egypt. Thats why Moses could masquerade as Pharoah's grandson. Its why Joseph wasnt recognized by his brothers whilst in Egypt. Because they looked like so called "Africans". So later, after 70 ad some ran down into Africa. Others ran elsewhere. And eventually they became scattered around the world. THIS ONLY FITS SO CALLED BLACKS. It doesnt fit the cac man you keep holding up as Israel. Facts only....
The elite who controlled it (which was mainly so called the so called Jewish man ALLEGEDLY) absolutely knew. It was hunting seen on the Hebrews... And of course they'd keep it a secret because if blacks knew who they were, they wouldnt be at the bottom anymore but would be at the top. The white man knows this, so he keeps the truth a secret. And since you're (probably) a cac, you want to play dumb too. Denying everything but not providing an answer yourself. Because any answer you provide will be easily debunked. While you can only scoff at what Im saying but not actually debunk it...
Breh the only only one that keeps bringing up "Africans" is you. I said that the Israelites were black (IN APPEARANCE). Meaning they're phenotype was of that of a modern day so called black man. PERIOD. If you want to argue against that and ancient Egypt/Ethiopia/Kush/Nubia being black (in appearance) then that definitely lets me know Im wasting my time.
Nope. Black people were ruling you cacs in Europe around 500-600 years ago. And some of them were Hebrews too. Play dumb all you want, it doesnt change the truth in waht Im saying.
You believe all THAT, but you started your "proof" by accidentally posting your confused misinterpretation of an American street sign from 2009.
You're just calling it a misinterpretation. That doesnt make it so. Especially since you're not of the heritage that Im speaking of. So what you say doesnt really mater. Im just wrestling with you verbally (
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King-Over-Kingz
Definitely. And by out you mean outSIDE the kingdom that Im referring to. Dont worry you'll see it rise just as the BIBLE says you will
They didn't have Hebrew names, couldn't speak Hebrew, didn't have any of the Hebrew writings, didn't share any of the Hebrew stories, but they were Hebrews just because some of them had a "yah" in their name. Just like the Indian Muslims are Hebrews too then.
Another bullet in the chamber I had:
Jeremiah 17:4
And you, even yourself,
Shall let go of your heritage which I gave you;
And I will cause you to serve your enemies
In the land which you do not know;
For you have kindled a fire in My anger which shall burn forever.”
Thats a curse breh. But you dont know what you're talking about and dont even have any answers to offer yourself so you're just what the bible calls a scoffer. If you had any answers, you would have presented with them but when pressed you duck. So all you can do is yell "thats wrong" but when asked for an answer not provide any. Now you're ducking out
For the record, the people of India worship/venerate the biblical characters of Kush, Abraham, and Sarah/Nimrod (maybe cant remember).. But anyways all that "talk" of what you do for "our" community and you dont even know who they are. Probably busy going around thinking saying every black man is so called African when there were blacks (in appearance) in the Americas before slavery. There were blacks in places like Germany, Spain, Italy, UK, Scotland etc.. as well. So if you're not informing them of where they potentially come from, and how they descend from groups that ruled over others/themselves, then you're not really doing nothing. Probably just giving them tips to so call "succeed" in this system that was built to keep them at the bottom.
Anyways out(side the kingdom) you go.. Peace
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