The meaning(lessness) of Westbrook's triple-doubles

[Professor Emeritus]

Saw someone say this hurts the game

I feel like harden flopping at the 3 point line and continually spamming the refs hurts the game more than Russell chasing triple doubles

Ain't got no argument from me there.

I been making that case for years too.


Damn, add in Durant's bullshyt "rip through" move and the flopping of Harden, Fisher, Collison, and Kevin Martin, and a lot of bytch-made strategy has passed through OKC in recent years.

 

[Pimp]

Defense is the strong suit of the team according to analytics and eye test and Westbrook has the least contested shots of any player playing 30+ minutes in the NBA. He therefore contributes the least on that team defensively. He is the offense, without him their record would drop. But they are his defense, without them he'd be Demarcus Cousins status, never making the playoffs but putting up big numbers.

I've seen nikkaz put up pointless stats the king was Shariff Abdul Rahim but Westbrook is putting up real numbers and it's a shame how people try to pick apart the greatest season we've ever seen. Ibaka and Durant gone.. Steven Adam's was averaging 2 points per game at one point. Westbrook with no help clinched a playoff spot in the fukking west. They would be close to a 1 seed in the east with one superstar. No other player on this team has been in a all star game. nikka said 57 on 40 shots.. like nikka how else for you expect that? Harden scores 50 with 26 free throws! Westbrook shot over 50%.KD was retarded for leaving.

 

[Remote]

please explain why the thunder falls off the cliff when westbrook sits if he's not optimal

a lot of teams play worse when their best player isn't on the court.

 

[Loose]

a lot of teams play worse when their best player isn't on the court.

but you said "Westbrook is having a great season seemingly at the expense of the team."

 

[Professor Emeritus]

KD was retarded for leaving.

This Thunder team would have been fire with Durant. Front office has had one hit after another.

Which just proves the point I've made several times. There are really only two legit ways to explain why Durant left. It's HIS life, he thought about it a lot more than you have. So it's either...

a) He wanted a really easy title.

b) Westbrook's stat-chasing, shot-firing, poor decision-making as was really just that annoying to play with.


It's either a or b. There aren't any other serious options.

 

[Remote]

but you said "Westbrook is having a great season seemingly at the expense of the team."

Meaning that he's great.
But he doesn't seem to help the production or efficiency of anybody else on the roster.

Team production may be going up while he's on the floor. But is teammate production really going up while his team is on the floor?

Maybe it is. And if it is, then that's awesome.

I'm just questioning here.
I'm not anti Westbrook.

What I do think is a valid argument is that the "Triple Double" probably means less than I used to think it did.

 

[Loose]

Meaning that he's great.
But he doesn't seem to help the production or efficiency of anybody else on the roster.

Team production may be going up while he's on the floor. But is teammate production really going up while his team is on the floor?

Maybe it is. And if it is, then that's awesome.

I'm just questioning here.
I'm not anti Westbrook.

What I do think is a valid argument is that the "Triple Double" probably means less than I used to think it did.

this is actually factually incorrect . oladipo for example ts% is damn near 6 percent bettee when westbrook is on the floor. I'm not even sure what you're trying to say

 

[gluvnast]

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Westbrook is having a great season seemingly at the expense of the team.

Is anyone in OKC playing better because of Westbrook?

Just asking.

I hate the misconception of someone making the team "better" due to statistics. You can argue that his triple doubles are hindering the team if they're losing due to him handling the ball for the vast majority of the time. But for that be the case it would be because the team have options that are being neglected due to Westbrook. But the truth is that the Thunder DO NOT. The fact that they're WINNING the majority of their games due to him getting a triple double, like almost 3/4ths of their wins, suggests he's both carrying his team AND making them better (obviously since he's AVERAGING double digits in assists). Lets be honest, the Thunder so not have any quality shooters. They do not have any one else that can come out and create their own shot. They don't have any other playmakers. They barely have a defense. Yet they're practically TIED with the Clippers who have at least THREE SUPERSTARS, three players that made the all-star team, quality shooters and bigger depth in their roster. So how is it that he ISN'T making his team "better" than they actually are? The Thunder have ZERO BUSINESS to be in the position they are in, especially fighting for the 5th seed and may even get the 4th seed and are capable of beating both the Clippers and the Jazz is it happens that they'll face either one in the 1st rnd. What Westbrook been doing and how it brought positive output for his team overall is impeccable and should not be undermine.

 

[Remote]

this is actually factually incorrect . oladipo for example ts% is damn near 6 percent bettee when westbrook is on the floor. I'm not even sure what you're trying to say

Is it?


That's pretty good then.
Oladipo's win shares per 48 are down from last year. Whatever that means.

 

[Remote]

I hate the misconception of someone making the team "better" due to statistics. You can argue that his triple doubles are hindering the team if they're losing due to him handling the ball for the vast majority of the time. But for that be the case it would be because the team have options that are being neglected due to Westbrook. But the truth is that the Thunder DO NOT. The fact that they're WINNING the majority of their games due to him getting a triple double, like almost 3/4ths of their wins, suggests he's both carrying his team AND making them better (obviously since he's AVERAGING double digits in assists). Lets be honest, the Thunder so not have any quality shooters. They do not have any one else that can come out and create their own shot. They don't have any other playmakers. They barely have a defense. Yet they're practically TIED with the Clippers who are at least THREE SUPERSTARS, three players that made the all-star team, quality shooters and bigger depth in their roster. So how is it that he ISN'T making his team "better" than they actually are? The Thunder have ZERO BUSINESS to be in the position they are in, especially fighting for the 5th seed and may even get the 4th seed and are capable of beating both the Clippers and the Jazz is it happens that they'll face either one in the 1st rnd. What Westbrook been doing and how it brought positive output for his team overall is impeccable and should not be undermine.

I kinda asked a question in the thread already referencing this with regard to the 86-87 Bulls and Jordan.

Seems to me that Sabo's triple doubles are as arbitrary as Jordan's 40 point games.

 

[Pimp]

nikkaz act like he didn't rebound a missed free throw, run down the court and shoot a 3 with 2 guys guarding him and sent the game into overtime. If he didn't get that rebound he doesn't get to push the rock like he did. You losers are missing the point.

You see stat padding, I see strategy

 

[gluvnast]

I kinda asked a question in the thread already referencing this with regard to the 86-87 Bulls and Jordan.

Seems to me that Sabo's triple doubles are as arbitrary as Jordan's 40 point games.

No... because Jordan was mostly SCORING and not pulling in other contributions on a consistent basis like rebounding and assists.... case in point... when Westbrook had that 40 point streak for almost a full week, with one reaching his career high... they LOST.. because it was all scoring and nothing much else. If you are a team where they LACK... don't think scoring PERIOD is going to make it better. That 70 points that dude got with the Suns against the Celtics is a PRIME EXAMPLE... dude scored 70 points and STILL LOST BY DOUBLE DIGITS. This is precisely why triple doubles ARE IMPORTANT... it's a contribution that you are doing it all...it's an all around contribution that benefits your team. You getting the rebounds versus the other competitor, you getting assists which means you are trying to get your teammates involved and put them in the best opportunity to make points, and you are putting in points yourself. You CANNOT compare that with what Jordan was doing because all he did was just SCORE... the rebounding, the assists to teammates and all of that was lacking and none of his teammates weren't good to produce themselves in those areas.

 

[Jplaya2023]

Scottie Pippin just said Russell Westbrook is having the single greatest season he has ever seen.

Scottie must've forgotten 89 season

 

[Remote]

No... because Jordan was mostly SCORING and not pulling in other contributions on a consistent basis like rebounding and assists.... case in point... when Westbrook had that 40 point streak for almost a full week, with one reaching his career high... they LOST.. because it was all scoring and nothing much else. If you are a team where they LACK... don't think scoring PERIOD is going to make it better. That 70 points that dude got with the Suns against the Celtics is a PRIME EXAMPLE... dude scored 70 points and STILL LOST BY DOUBLE DIGITS. This is precisely why triple doubles ARE IMPORTANT... it's a contribution that you are doing it all...it's an all around contribution that benefits your team. You getting the rebounds versus the other competitor, you getting assists which means you are trying to get your teammates involved and put them in the best opportunity to make points, and you are putting in points yourself. You CANNOT compare that with what Jordan was doing because all he did was just SCORE... the rebounding, the assists to teammates and all of that was lacking and none of his teammates weren't good to produce themselves in those areas.

Except when you look at the numbers of Westbrook's teammates, they're as empty as Jordan's teammates.

 

[SHO-NUFF]

Just answer this. What do you think Russ is doing in the trip-dub games that he's failing to do in losses. How do you actually think he's playing different?

If you go back and look, how many "triple-double fails" (we'll call them), involve ONLY being short on assists? A lot of them; the rebounds and points are always there (with a couple exceptions)

AND

Of those, how many have a high number of passes, or attempted assists?
A lot of them.

Takeaway: When Russ' teammates are off, we (USUALLY) have a bad night, regardless of what Russ does.

Takeway#2: ya'll nikkas are GROSSLY not factoring in all the near misses this season.....
go look em up