The meaning(lessness) of Westbrook's triple-doubles

[Torrential]

You have to be a real nikka to appreciate what Westbrook is doing.

bytch nikkas just don't get it

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

It goes beyond this thread tbh, Russ has a lot of negativity attached to him

Like I said, at face value this guy is averaging a trip doub, along with 30+ points and keeping his team afloat

We should be celebrating him instead of nitpicking him IMO

Of course we should be, but we should be celebrating the actual reasons for why his play/impact has been great, that means NOT celebrating the triple doubles. I mean shyt, 99% of the basketball public have been fooled into thinking the TDs are the cause behind his team winning. I've spoken about this for years and years, on how folk overvalue the 'triple double' in a general sense.

 

[nieman]

So in essence, people are mad about Westbrook accomplishing what y'all thought Lebron could do if he wanted to.

 

[Monsanto]

But stats show when he is on the court the team's defense is worse?
So you just contradicted yourself.

You forget Tony Parker and Aldridge are on the team. Those two have to cover shooters every night along with the pick n roll, and they aren't that great at defending it.

PGs and stretch fours that shoot the three boost the 3 point percentage made when Leonard is out there. Put Mills and Dedmon in the starting lineup permanently and watch the defensive rating jump.

Stats don't tell the whole story, that's why watching is the best determination.

 

[Brozay]

Of course we should be, but we should be celebrating the actual reasons for why his play/impact has been great, that means NOT celebrating the triple doubles. I mean shyt, 99% of the basketball public have been fooled into thinking the TDs are the cause behind his team winning. I've spoken about this for years and years, on how folk overvalue the 'triple double' in a general sense.

yeah, it may be arbitrary, but its a hugely impressive milestone regardless

 

[David_TheMan]

You forget Tony Parker and Aldridge are on the team. Those two have to cover shooters every night along with the pick n roll, and they aren't that great at defending it.

PGs and stretch fours that shoot the three boost the 3 point percentage made when Leonard is out there. Put Mills and Dedmon in the starting lineup permanently and watch the defensive rating jump.

Stats don't tell the whole story, that's why watching is the best determination.

You said Leonard's stats tell his whole story, his stats tell us the team's defense drops when he is on the floor and betters when he is off the floor.
Period.

 

[Monsanto]

You said Leonard's stats tell his whole story, his stats tell us the team's defense drops when he is on the floor and betters when he is off the floor.
Period.

Maybe I should have clarified offensively. Following the trend of the thread of points, rebounds and assists when we consider stats.

I explained the drop already Parker and Aldridge are liabilities.

 

[David_TheMan]

Maybe I should have clarified offensively. Following the trend of the thread of points, rebounds and assists when we consider stats.

I explained the drop already Parker and Aldridge are liabilities.

You didn't explain the drop, player personnel was accounted for in the metrics.

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[Biscayne]

Honestly, for all the nikkas that try to take away the relevance of a player averaging a triple double for a season, would y'all be willing to straight up say triple doubles in general aren't all that important/impressive? I'd at least respect someone that said that. Go the baseball advanced metric route and marganilize a star getting a triple crown in favor of some random acronym you think better represents production. But if we're doing that, that means I never have to hear about Oscar Robertson again. Because I know y'all ain't about to put in the work necessary to see if every single one of his triple doubles were "legit"(whatever the fukk that means)

Why stop at Oscar. We should analyze everyone of LBJ's triple doubles. Especially in his Miami years, when he was playing alongside dwyane Wade, who was more than capable of passing, playmaking, and setting up the offense. Magic, too. OP makes excellent points, but the points he makes is based on analysis, that is based on his own bias. We should just go through every triple dub throughout history and how they hurt/helped their team.

 

[DoubleClutch]

Its really sad to see all this negative talk surrounding Russ

the man is averaging a fukking 30+ POINT TRIPLE DOUBLE on the season

Brehs are nuts. I don't even care about triple doubles. Do they see what he's doing on a nightly basis? Like actually watch the game apposed to seeing the stat line and immediately hating. I used to hate the same way on Kobe when he's go on runs of 3-4 straight 40-50 point games thinking he's a ball hog, selfish, cancer,etc.... Just caring about stats/scoring streak. Then I watched him play and just said Kobe
Was just better than everyone. Really just on another level mentally and with the drive/killer instinct

Same thing with Westbrook.

A simple eye test tells you he's the most valuable. Who cares about stats.

 

[KOBE]

Why stop at Oscar. We should analyze everyone of LBJ's triple doubles. Especially in his Miami years, when he was playing alongside dwyane Wade, who was more than capable of passing, playmaking, and setting up the offense. Magic, too. OP makes excellent points, but the points he makes is based on analysis, that is based on his own bias. We should just go through every triple dub throughout history and how they hurt/helped their team.

He didnt make excellent points. I went through the games at some point and looked through the play by play. Russ would take over in the 2nd half and the team did better as a result in most of the games. These triple doubles didnt hurt his team, most of them came in wins.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

It goes beyond this thread tbh, Russ has a lot of negativity attached to him

Like I said, at face value this guy is averaging a trip doub, along with 30+ points and keeping his team afloat

We should be celebrating him instead of nitpicking him IMO

I don't want to celebrate shyt that hurts the game. Westbrook giving up on defense to chase rebounds is stupid as hell. Westbrook chasing the 10th assist and the 10th rebound to get an arbitrary "triple-double" stat hurts the game.

I'm fine if you celebrate how good of a player Westbrook is. But don't celebrate stupid shyt that he does. And like I showed in the OP, Westbrook has been doing a lot of stupid shyt.

Why stop at Oscar. We should analyze everyone of LBJ's triple doubles. Especially in his Miami years, when he was playing alongside dwyane Wade, who was more than capable of passing, playmaking, and setting up the offense. Magic, too. OP makes excellent points, but the points he makes is based on analysis, that is based on his own bias. We should just go through every triple dub throughout history and how they hurt/helped their team.

Someone HAS already analyzed Lebron's triple-doubles....and found that he gets way fewer of them than you would expect, considering his stats.

LeBron James, King of the ‘Almost’ Triple-Double

He didnt make excellent points. I went through the games at some point and looked through the play by play. Russ would take over in the 2nd half and the team did better as a result in most of the games. These triple doubles didnt hurt his team, most of them came in wins.

You can't be this dumb, it has to be just crazy stan bias.

I've pointed this out to you over and over. If you think that the Thunder play better when Westbrook takes over and takes a bunch of shots, then he shouldn't be chasing assist totals, he should be shooting even more. Claiming that Westbrook is better when he takes over and shoots more is claiming that Westbrook is better when he is NOT chasing triple doubles.

And I've explained what triple-doubles come in wins, over and over. You win when your team makes baskets and the other team misses theirs. If you can't follow the logic, then have fun watching the game, but stop trying to discuss stats like you have the slightest clue what you talking about.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Cowards can't come up with a counter argument, so they're just negging without posting. Still.

Russ has accomplished something epic - at no point in NBA history have so many people gotten so far up in their feelings about box score stats.

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

So in essence, people are mad about Westbrook accomplishing what y'all thought Lebron could do if he wanted to.

Pretty much

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

Next they're going to say Westbrooks assists are meaningless because he passes it to wide open teammates

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