'The Last of Us' HBO Series (NO GAME SPOILERS!) | Season 2 Coming 2025 With 7 Episodes |

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TLOU2 sucks because the story makes the "good guys" no better than the "bad guys" and while rationally we can understand such a thing - because you are personally involved ( by playing ) its just a turnoff....

if TLOU allowed ONLY for you to play only one aspect either Ellie or Abbi there MIGHT have been some saving grace.....but

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what Joel does at the end of the first game makes him no better than the bad guys.

In fact it's said throughout the game lol

 

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'The Last of Us' director says Pedro Pascal cried during every single take of a pivotal scene in episode 6, even when he wasn't the one on camera​

Jasmila Žbanić, who directed episode six of HBO's "The Last of Us," said that Pedro Pascal was an incredibly "generous" actor on set, performing full-out during every take of a scene with Gabriel Luna even when he wasn't the one being filmed.

The episode "Kin" saw Pascal's Joel reunited with his brother Tommy, played by Luna. After a euphoric but difficult reunion, the siblings had a sobering conversation about Joel's fear of being unable to protect Ellie (Bella Ramsey).

"It's a very emotional scene for Pedro. I was filming him as a second; first we filmed Gabriel, and then I noticed that each time we repeated, Pedro was crying," Žbanić told Variety in an interview. "He was not on camera, but he was crying because he was giving his partner everything so that he can act."

By this point in the show, Joel and Ellie have traveled across the country together from Boston, in the hopes of delivering Ellie to a group of Fireflies who hope to use her natural immunity to the cordyceps fungus to develop a cure. Citing his fear that he's going to get Ellie "killed," Joel asks Tommy to escort Ellie to a nearly Firefly outpost. Throughout the conversation, he becomes teary.


Žbanić told Variety that the delicate exchange was "especially taken care of," with Pascal and Luna trying multiple different takes on the material and suggesting changes of their own. Pascal's dedication while filming struck her as well.

"This is very special," Žbanić said. "It's so generous of an actor to do this so deep. I was amazed by Pedro's talent."

Give him the Emmy

 

[EzekelRAGE]

@EzekelRAGE see?

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Not tryna be disrespectful breh @shonuff, but this is the kinda thing that makes me think the whole idea of the games themes and story went way over your head, Joel was literally never a “good” guy, and you can make a point for Ellie being good in the first game, but then it’s also weird to expect her to be that same character in the 2nd game given her circumstances

I got that nikka on ignore

 

[shonuff]

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what Joel does at the end of the first game makes him no better than the bad guys.

In fact it's said throughout the game lol

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yes but from a story telling point in TLOU2 it doesnt work - in TLOU you have sympathy for joel beause you know why he does what he does and you are still on board with it.

in TLOU2 it doesnt work because for revenge you HAVE TO have a "bad guy" ... you cant as an audience member " want revenge" if you dont have a focus of who you want revenge against.

secondly yeah the fireflies turn into the bad guys ( again as staetd earlier frequently those that rebel can often become the oppressors... not only were they going to knowingly kill Ellie without either her or Joel knowing about it, they were outright planning on murdering Joel. it's stated in the audio logs you find, and is also heavily hinted at when Joel noticed the Fireflies didn't give him his payment (his guns and other stuff). So yeah, Joel isn't an evil person (or anything close to that) he can as Henry said do "bad guy" things and not be a "bad guy" . He can be an a$$hole with the people around him due to him closing of his heart, but that's as far he gets because every single person he kills is a potential or direct threat to the people he cares about. I'm not claiming he's a saint though, because he is not, he's just not a bad person at teh point he is in the Fireflies lab saving Ellie from being killed for something that may or may not be a "cure"..

 

[Trav]

can’t say it enough…actress really has ellie's charm locked down

On God.

Niccas look silly in here on some of them beginning pages.

 

[HiiiPower]

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yes but from a story telling point in TLOU2 it doesnt work - in TLOU you have sympathy for joel beause you know why he does what he does and you are still on board with it.

in TLOU2 it doesnt work because for revenge you HAVE TO have a "bad guy" ... you cant as an audience member " want revenge" if you dont have a focus of who you want revenge against.

The bolded isn’t true at all lol and it’s pretty clear why the characters do what they do and why they wanna do it

 

[shonuff]

The bolded isn’t true at all lol and it’s pretty clear why the characters do what they do and why they wanna do it

uhh what story of revenge have you ever seen where the target of the revenge is sypathetic?

and TLOU2 was specifically about "revenge"

 

[Nero Christ]

i dig what you wrote above but the counter is that they want believability and believably....

1 youre not gonna have that many dudes as raiders - 10 to 15 in a band is WAy too many - its way too to much to type here but small groups are more believable since beyond 6 to 8 causes a break down in coordinated actions - its why military teams ( from conventional to even special ops teams like SEALS ) are usually only 8 men in a particular team to do a particular task and thats split between 4 man squads and two man teams.

2- joel is an old man - and noone even in peak health is running and fighting off 15 opponents ... after like 1 or 2 youd be tired as fukk and they are alreday showing joel is suffering physically from his existance.

from an opposition force point of view - losing 2 or 3 of a sizable group would definitely mean youve taken heavy losses and youd retreat, so all in all a small group of 4 would be believable ....

additionally - its an apocalypse - 4 pple surviving together by raiding is a LOT of people. especially if they are nomadic....which is the case in the university....

youre not gonna have a lot of healthy and even very able bodied people capable of a sustained fight ....esp on a subsistence diet ( after all you are raiding and killing what you could catch ) youd be exhausted even just pursuing someone let alone fighting them. ) again a deeper conversation - you burn about 1500 a day just sitting around - but in the wild walking and moving youre buring about 3000 cal a day - and you are nowhere near taking in that amount so youd be hungry all the time and significantly weak and with little to no endurance except for a very very quick brutal confrontation ...or escape.

realistically raiders would have been killing them baboons or trapping them to eat them ( i sure would ) which is a lot easier than attacking and fighting travellers ...Joel LOOKS well armed ( hes got a rifle and pistol the whole thing ) so again realistically most armed groups would bypass him and go for easier prey or try to stalk and ambush when he was less likely to be aware

as for the infected they go where the people are and they group up together- if there are no people then they really wont be out in the wilds and shyt ....there would be a few inside the university but again joel fighting off both infected in great number AND a bunch of human fighters also just gets way too much into ridiculous land of video game number of opponents/bodies killed ...... which is what the writers want to get away from .. joel is not suppsed to be a superhero killing machine... he is just a guy.

They showed in the first episode that the infected are basically on them vines communicating and waiting to find people to spread the fungus too.

 

[shonuff]

They showed in the first episode that the infected are basically on them vines communicating and waiting to find people to spread the fungus too.

yeh and part of that is that they stay near populations

the writers even talk about how the infected WANT to infect - the fungus makes them seek out people who are uninfected.

 

[Nero Christ]

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they didn’t make anyone hate joel, its the opposite he comes off as a sweet and loving father/old man in the sequel

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Funny enough, this last ep, Pedro played Joel more in line with the Joel we see at the beginning of 2 talking to Tommy.

 

[Black Mamba]

So, in the last of us, what was the enemy the infected infected was the enemy, and what they wanted to do is to go in affect other people are clean, and the people basically become the same as them infected. Now the last of us is a case of micro visualization But what is behind Michael’s visualization it is macro visualization. Yes, macro and this is where ternal bill comes into play terminal. What is the issue? The radioactive levels are going out of people and caused them to die and it’s really crazy. There’s no cure for that no relation to that internal bill or the last of us is right here, infected, or like the radioactive levels and the people in the last of us or basically the cells of the people and ternal bill that are affected

 

[EzekelRAGE]

So, in the last of us, what was the enemy the infected infected was the enemy, and what they wanted to do is to go in affect other people are clean, and the people basically become the same as them infected. Now the last of us is a case of micro visualization But what is behind Michael’s visualization it is macro visualization. Yes, macro and this is where ternal bill comes into play terminal. What is the issue? The radioactive levels are going out of people and caused them to die and it’s really crazy. There’s no cure for that no relation to that internal bill or the last of us is right here, infected, or like the radioactive levels and the people in the last of us or basically the cells of the people and ternal bill that are affected

 

[humminbird]

I thought it was just me

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

im glad yall said it

@Black Mamba on that brown likka tonight

 

[WMG the 2nd]

If it’s any kissing the lotion is flowing

They kids in that scene tho