^Now, look at how much I had to write in order to deconstruct one overly simplistic, un-nuanced and, frankly speaking, idiotic statement. That's why most knowledgeable people refrain from entering into these discussions. They take up far too much precious time and you're constantly having to deconstruct statements that are nonsensical. It's very cheap to make these statements, refuting them, on the other hand, is very time consuming.
The Arab African slave trade the untold truth.
- Thread starter Mook
- Start date
Its not even about the racism alone, its the arrogance of some of these badly educated people to assume they have the entire history of the world worked out. And personally I wouldn't know a thing about any of those websites because I dont constantly check white power sites coz there's nothing there I need to read.
Abeed is plural by the way. And the same way those people call us abed and adoon, is the same way the idiots on this site call white people Neanderthal or 'cave animals'... Both sides are as stupid as each other.
Solid post and nice follow up. Regardless of how any of us really feel about Islam or Arabs or blacks for that matter, I think it can be agreed upon that this time would be better spent elsewhere.
You were quick to point out Arabs calling black people abeed, but you want to quickly move on from the fact a lot of people on this forum basically refer to whites as sub-human cave animals? People on this forum are truly lost.
This is probably the most balanced information I have found on the topic of the African Holocaust:
AFRICAN HOLOCAUST (Maafa) | Greatest Holocaust in History | Legacy of Slavery | Atlantic Slave Trade | Transatlantic
The following passage is very important:
AFRICAN HOLOCAUST (Maafa) | Greatest Holocaust in History | Legacy of Slavery | Atlantic Slave Trade | Transatlantic
The following passage is very important:
this don't make sense as all creation come from ALLAH..
I'm going to bow out after this post. Whether or not Africans supplied Arabs with slaves, Arabs are still guilty. Are those Africans guilty as well? Absolutely. Should African Americans be more accountable for their current state? Undoubtedly yes. But I'd ask you hold those Arabs that owned slaves accountable as well. Part of accountability is accepting blame and not deflecting it to others.Adults don't try to point fingers. Furthermore many Arab/ Islamic countries still hold anti black sentiments to this day. They should be held accountable for their actions as well. All in all not a bad thread. I learned a thing or two. 
This is all I've been trying to say from the get go, before certain people distracted me. LolI'm going to bow out after this post. Whether or not Africans supplied Arabs with slaves, Arabs are still guilty. Are those Africans guilty as well? Absolutely. Should African Americans be more accountable for their current state? Undoubtedly yes. But I'd ask you hold those Arabs that owned slaves accountable as well. Part of accountability is accepting blame and not deflecting it to others.Adults don't try to point fingers. Furthermore many Arab/ Islamic countries still hold anti black sentiments to this day. They should be held accountable for their actions as well. All in all not a bad thread. I learned a thing or two.
You really not need to educate me on the history of European perceptions of Africans. We are talking about people on the coli. There is no logical way you, or anyone, that thinks of themself as progressive and anti-racist, can ever support calling another group of people sub-human cave dwellers. Its 2017 for God's sake. Like I said, the retards on storm front, bitter and full of hate as they are, are simply the other side of the coin to some of the racists on this website. Same mentality, different skin colour.
I gazed through the ahadith that -speedKillz posted and it's clear that the guy did not even understand the context in which those statements were made.
This is what I talked about in my earlier post. In these discussions, you essentially end up having to debate with some ignoramus who can basically just sit back and throw quotes at you from a plethora of propaganda pages, while you have to actually put time and effort into a) sifting through the nonsense, b) contextualizing the texts, c) critique the source if necessary etc... Even when you do this, the ignoramus will not concede defeat like a decent human being should, . He will simply move on to a new piece of "evidence". You can basically keep going back and forth ad infinitum.
I have presented unequivocal statements from the Prophet (pbuh) himself that disprove the claim that he was racist. This guy counters by producing ahadith that require a certain level of interpretation (not to mention some cultural bias). An intelligent and sincere person would have at the very least tried to reconcile between the fact that the Prophet (pbuh) clearly rejects the notion of racial supremacy and the fact that he referred to "an Ethiopian with a raisin-like hair". Instead this person will ignore the evidence which refutes his claims and peddle whatever is perceived as supportive.
I mean, the fact that some of the closest companions of the Prophet (pbuh) were black. The fact that the Prophet (PBUH) states that Moses (PBUH) was black skinned, the fact that an entire chapter in the Qur'an is named after a black man (Luqman); the fact that after the death of the Prophet's mother, the woman who raised him was a black Ethiopian, or that the man who led the first army against the Romans was Usama bin Zayd (a black skinned young man), etc. would be enough to question this guy's understanding of the texts.
Or the fact that many of the early Muslims (some of whom were the blood relatives of the Prophet) sought refuge from persecution in Ethiopia under the protection of the Negus. The Prophet (PBUH) lead the first instance of Janazah al-Ghaib (funeral prayer for someone who is absent because he died in a distant land) in the history of Islam for the Negus after he heard of his death.
How about the fact that after the conquest of Mecca, the prophet pbuh ordered Bilal (a black man) to climb atop the holiest structure for the Muslims (as well as the pagan inhabitants of Mecca) and make the call for prayer.
But according to -SpeedKillz, the Prophet pbuh was racist because he said that we should obey our ruler even if he is a black Ethiopian with raisin-like hair.
This is what I talked about in my earlier post. In these discussions, you essentially end up having to debate with some ignoramus who can basically just sit back and throw quotes at you from a plethora of propaganda pages, while you have to actually put time and effort into a) sifting through the nonsense, b) contextualizing the texts, c) critique the source if necessary etc... Even when you do this, the ignoramus will not concede defeat like a decent human being should, . He will simply move on to a new piece of "evidence". You can basically keep going back and forth ad infinitum.
I have presented unequivocal statements from the Prophet (pbuh) himself that disprove the claim that he was racist. This guy counters by producing ahadith that require a certain level of interpretation (not to mention some cultural bias). An intelligent and sincere person would have at the very least tried to reconcile between the fact that the Prophet (pbuh) clearly rejects the notion of racial supremacy and the fact that he referred to "an Ethiopian with a raisin-like hair". Instead this person will ignore the evidence which refutes his claims and peddle whatever is perceived as supportive.
I mean, the fact that some of the closest companions of the Prophet (pbuh) were black. The fact that the Prophet (PBUH) states that Moses (PBUH) was black skinned, the fact that an entire chapter in the Qur'an is named after a black man (Luqman); the fact that after the death of the Prophet's mother, the woman who raised him was a black Ethiopian, or that the man who led the first army against the Romans was Usama bin Zayd (a black skinned young man), etc. would be enough to question this guy's understanding of the texts.
Or the fact that many of the early Muslims (some of whom were the blood relatives of the Prophet) sought refuge from persecution in Ethiopia under the protection of the Negus. The Prophet (PBUH) lead the first instance of Janazah al-Ghaib (funeral prayer for someone who is absent because he died in a distant land) in the history of Islam for the Negus after he heard of his death.
How about the fact that after the conquest of Mecca, the prophet pbuh ordered Bilal (a black man) to climb atop the holiest structure for the Muslims (as well as the pagan inhabitants of Mecca) and make the call for prayer.
But according to -SpeedKillz, the Prophet pbuh was racist because he said that we should obey our ruler even if he is a black Ethiopian with raisin-like hair.
Nobody is telling you to trust anyone. I am not a fan of most Arabs although I myself am Muslim. What you need is:
a) balance and
b) lose the victimhood mentality.
Some black people just go around talking about how this and that group oppressed them. So much so that many of them behave as if the terms "black" and "slavery" were synonymous.
Sauanaffe Tustunnagee
Banned
just cause a few prominent arabasized/Muslim convert Uncle Abdis f African leaders of that era whom provided their (their own people as concubines /eunuchs to Eurasain sand cacs were tolerated when they went to Arabia to drop off another shipment of slaves to the market or on a pilgrimage to Mecca to personally pay homage to Allah's chosen ones doesn't change the fact the Islamic slave trade was every bit as predatory on Africans as the Trans Atlantic version
the fact.black Africans made up the overwhelming majority of the victims of Islamic slave trade and only only blacks in the region carry the slave stigma today speaks for itself
so sub human a-rabs kidnapping,raping,mutilating, enslaving and racially cleansing millions of Africans for 7 plus centuries is dismissed as unfortunate business
..i take it this is Coptic fake Egyptian sand cac in you speaking
not that it matters but exploitation and degradation on blacks is much deeper than business in the arab world...it's a religion/cult: IE.
Shem, the son of Noah was the father of the Arabs, the Persians, and the Greeks; Ham was the father of the Black Africans; and Japheth was the father of the Turks and of Gog and Magog who were cousins of the Turks. Noah prayed that the prophets and apostles would be descended from Shem and kings would be from Japheth. He prayed that the African’s color would change so that their descendants would be slaves to the Arabs and Turks.
Al-Tabari, Vol. 2, p. 11, p. 11
Ham [Africans] begat all those who are black and curly-haired, while Japheth [Turks] begat all those who are full-faced with small eyes, and Shem [Arabs] begat everyone who is handsome of face with beautiful hair. Noah prayed that the hair of Ham’s descendants would not grow beyond their ears, and that whenever his descendants met Shem’s, the latter would enslave them.
Al-Tabari, Vol. 2, p. 21, p. 21
I quoted like three different statements from the Prophet (pbuh) that unequivocally reject racial supremacy of one group over another. Bilal was a former slave of a pagan Arab and was bought and freed by Abu Bakr, the closest companion of the Prophet. He enjoyed (and still does) a lofty status in Islam as the first caller to the Islamic prayer in the history of Islam as well as a great warrior.
Do you even know how he even became a slave in the first place or why Arabs at the time despised Ethiopians?? Humble yourself and stop acting like you're some type of expert because you've read a few biased sources.
You should take this opportunity to expand your knowledge instead of acting like you've got it all figured out.