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No, they are not.

They are government-subsidized which is a big difference, and these companies aren't interested in filling those places. Its a scam.

We need proper public housing.
What do you mean they aren’t interesting in filling those places?

All those places have waitlist a mile long.
 

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ok, so how does this work when your kids go to school 10 miles away (because not everyone has a good local public school) and you work 20 miles from home (which is probably a little under the average commute here in the bay) and soccer practice is 5 miles from the school? and is everyone supposed to show up to work sweaty? outside of leisure biking, i sweat, i'm not about to plan 2 hours to get to work to fix sweated out hair, shower and change

you grew up in NYC the epitome of neighborhood density for the US...that is not the case for 98% of the US. and i'll be damned rolling that through the present streets of oakland given how people drive out here. yall want to try to impose stuff NOW that we haven't made way for...nah

e-bikes have increasingly gained wide adoption because of concerns like yours, people are making longer commutes due to the longer range ebikes are capable of. it's not so different from kids riding behind a motorcycle. I've mentioned before in this thread that multi-modal transportation is also an option for long distance commutes.

nothing is being imposed, people are suggesting new infrastructure be built and public transportation be improved.
 

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that goes back to what I said earlier regarding the US not investing in public housing. "The projects" happened because the government let it be that way. Just like our transit systems being nasty and trash because our government gave up on them. They gave up on them because Americans have been taught that taxes are bad.

Singapore has public housing, and they invested in it:

right, there's always another country that did it better. but i'm just trying to see how this works here with the government we have (who are never held accountable) and the voters we have (people who'd vote out obamacare, a plan that benefitted them, because they don't like no damn socialist). i'm always for better, but i need practical examples of how america makes this happen, not other countries that are more homogenous, smaller, have stricter governments or have a history of being further left than the us.
 

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That's the root of it. No matter how many articles or peer-reviewed studies you cite, that's the bottom line of most of these "public transportation isn't as feasible" guys. They just don't want to even consider it because they're set in their ways.
in some areas, it just isn't.



I've already said it, but I wish I could not drive, i fukking hate driving but it's a necessary
 

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i haven't read your exchange, so apologies if yall already discussed - but what's you idea of public housing? doesn't public housing just become "the projects"? are there any dignified public housing buildings in the US - honest question as my only knowledge/experience of them has been them as places rife with squalor, crime and disenfranchisement. i know they didn't start that way in the early 20th century, but i'm wondering if we have any developments presently that are clean, generally well kept developments?
They do become the projects but the new thing seems to be new apartment complexes that have income restrictions

This is a place in Birmingham

Income Restrictions​

Income restrictions apply to some or all residents. Contact the community for more information.

# PersonsAnnual Income
1$32,760
2$37,440
3$42,120
4$46,800
5$50,580
6$54,300
To qualify, you must be equal to or below those in the chart, based on the number of persons living in the dwelling.

 

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right, there's always another country that did it better. but i'm just trying to see how this works here with the government we have (who are never held accountable) and the voters we have (people who'd vote out obamacare, a plan that benefitted them, because they don't like no damn socialist). i'm always for better, but i need practical examples of how america makes this happen, not other countries that are more homogenous, smaller, have stricter governments or have a history of being further left than the us.
underrated part of your comment.

This country will always have seeds of distrust, due to instinctual tribalism. It's easy to point to Scandinavian or Asian countries as examples, when you don't realize they are 99.9% homogenous (thus more open to socialists principles).
 

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You can tell what few possible cities nikkas live in to be writing bullshyt like this:mjlol:

Most American cities don't even come close to having decent enough public transportation to make cars obsolete, and ride sharing ain't that convenient outside of major cities

Ride sharing is also deceptively expensive
 

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nothing is being imposed, people are suggesting new infrastructure be built and public transportation be improved.
people like you/with your take post as if people should be doing this now. i can point to oakland we're we've made decisions for that "now" without having fully put in place alternatives.

and even with infrastructure in place, things are still so widely spaced out in many metros, this walk and bike to everything uptoia is realistic for them?
 

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people like you/with your take post as if people should be doing this now. i can point to oakland we're we've made decisions for that "now" without having fully put in place alternatives.

and even with infrastructure in place, things are still so widely spaced out in many metros, this walk and bike to everything uptoia is realistic for them?
you have examples?
 

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What real world examples are there? I’m not taking about European cities that have been around since the beginning of time and built when you couldn’t do shyt but walk to get around
This is the big thing. People comparing new cities like NY to Rome and shyt that have been around for millenia :mjlol:
 

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Lmao

AMERICA was built like these European cities not even 100 years ago.

Of course this myth of “it works in old Europe” was gonna come up here eventually.

:russ:
No, it wasn't. European countries are tiny. The difference in population density is massive.
 

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You can tell what few possible cities nikkas live in to be writing bullshyt like this:mjlol:

Most American cities don't even come close to having decent enough public transportation to make cars obsolete, and ride sharing ain't that convenient outside of major cities

Ride sharing is also deceptively expensive

thats why people are arguing for increased public transportation, it's not an accident or oversight that the state of public transportation is the way it is in some places. people should study how things came to be in their area because 9/10 theres big monied interests that screwed communities over.
 

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Yeah with work from home, Uber and being able to have anything from food to women delivered to you def made owning a vehicle way less important. I don’t own a vehicle and don’t have any issues. All my groceries are dropped off at my front door. While Amazon can have stuff dropped of in hours
 

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Imagine claiming that public transit and bike lanes is some kind of anti-black, pro-gentrification conspiracy as if black communities weren’t destroyed and impoverished precisely to make room for car infrastructure, brehs.

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The nerve of you to still be posting like this after getting schooled.

You should at least have the decent to respond and engage with my post where I answered your question and used sources.

Instead you’re subbing like some kind of inarticulate coward.
 
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