The age of ‘the car is king’ is over. The sooner we accept that, the better

[Remote]

Imagine claiming that public transit and bike lanes is some kind of anti-black, pro-gentrification conspiracy as if black communities weren’t destroyed and impoverished precisely to make room for car infrastructure, brehs.

 

[bnew]

Whenever you post about it you tend to speak in absolutes as if you are anti-car, especially in the articles and tweets you post. I ain't got the time right now to play Coli detective and dig through your posts and produce pieces of evidence, but I'm sure other people here see it too.

And of course the automobile industry would overtake bicycles. Cars made life more convenient and efficient, and humans strive for more convenience and efficiency. We also love privacy. It's no surprise that the automotive industry is going to be king in this country.

Not to mention not everyone who posts here live in areas that are densely populated where public transportation and bike lanes are necessary. As someone who's had extensive experience with both, give me what I have now. The only people I feel bad for are the people who want to escape that dense population and urban, sardine can life for more space but don't have the means to do so.

nope, never!

I've always been pro-multiple forms of transportation.

 

[JasoRockStar]

Imagine claiming that public transit and bike lanes is some kind of anti-black, pro-gentrification conspiracy as if black communities weren’t destroyed and impoverished precisely to make room for car infrastructure, brehs.

The amount of black communities destroyed by the Interstate Highway System in the past several decades makes all of "bike lane damage" look like child's play. The Color of Law by Richard Rothstein mentioned this.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

i hear you, whats the solution to the housing crisis though?

100% Affordable Housing with below market rate rent with homeless and shelter residents getting priority along with City Jobs (many of which need to need to be filled) to back them up

 

[bnew]

Imagine claiming that public transit and bike lanes is some kind of anti-black, pro-gentrification conspiracy as if black communities weren’t destroyed and impoverished precisely to make room for car infrastructure, brehs.

it doesn't even make sense, black people in NYC make up the majority of pedestrian and cyclist deaths. some people want you to believe that not making our neighborhoods more safe and keeping them dependent on car traffic is better for us. in reality property values will go down and car insurance will go up as it's proven that more accidents happen in our communities than communities that have protected bike lanes and traffic calming measures. the community thats safer to travel in will have increased property values and lower car insurance rates. having cheaper public transportation lowers cost of living too but people don't want to see that for some reason.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

people are working on new solutions for last-mile deliveries and packaging, such as bike delivery, small robotic vehicles and even drones.

are we ensuring that companies make practical packaging decisions? as i said, no reason i order 5 items and a company ships them in 3 shipments, and/or uses a whole box instead of a padded envelope for a tube of lipstick

 

[bnew]

never said it's nonsense

I said your lobbying that everyone should leave their cars and ride a bus/train is nonsense. The people that take public transport will take public transport.

If we're talking about pollution then we change our cars to EVs, other than that nobody should be obligated to give up their cars and ride on public transport.

people think it's set in stone but thats not really the case, lots of people switch their mode of transportation depending on when & where they're going.

the adage 'if you build it they will come' is absolutely true.

the most common reason people give for not wanting to rise a bike is that they feel it isn't safe and I felt the same way to.

if you give people the options for transportation then they'll choose what works for them. i'm not advocating you be forced to travel in one way or another.

 

[mastermind]

Aren’t all these income limit places that popping up everywhere the new public housing?

No, they are not.

They are government-subsidized which is a big difference, and these companies aren't interested in filling those places. Its a scam.

We need proper public housing.

 

[bnew]

are we ensuring that companies make practical packaging decisions? as i said, no reason i order 5 items and a company ships them in 3 shipments, and/or uses a whole box instead of a padded envelope for a tube of lipstick

i agree, amazon is notorious for wasteful packaging. the stuff i've ordered from aliexpress never have wasteful packaging.

 

[mastermind]

Imagine claiming that public transit and bike lanes is some kind of anti-black, pro-gentrification conspiracy as if black communities weren’t destroyed and impoverished precisely to make room for car infrastructure, brehs.

Exactly

 

[bnew]

there are alternatives, but it's not necessarily cheaper, realistic for most (a mom who has to drop kids at school, get to work, pick them up from school and hit the grocery store before taking them to soccer practice aint doing this on a bike or bus ), or dependable and not without its own downfalls.

best believe, i'm not anti alternatives, i am anti-people who try to or act like people shouldn't be using cars presently and that new construction shouldn't accommodate cars (you should see the bay area reddit flip out over any new apartment building that also has a parking lot), we are not in a place where the majority of people can bush their cars

people do this all over the world including NYC.

even though my pops drove he was away from home from morning til night working and my mom didn't know how to drive so we got around everywhere by walking, bus/trains and sometimes cabs.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

No, they are not.

They are government-subsidized which is a big difference, and these companies aren't interested in filling those places. Its a scam.

We need proper public housing.

i haven't read your exchange, so apologies if yall already discussed - but what's you idea of public housing? doesn't public housing just become "the projects"? are there any dignified public housing buildings in the US - honest question as my only knowledge/experience of them has been them as places rife with squalor, crime and disenfranchisement. i know they didn't start that way in the early 20th century, but i'm wondering if we have any developments presently that are clean, generally well kept developments?

 

[bnew]

You've gone to liberal. Please respect individual freedoms. First the vaccines now you want to take care away. You've lost your mind perhaps?

show me where I have advocated taking cars away.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

people do this all over the world including NYC.

even though my pops drove he was away from home from morning til night working and my mom didn't know how to drive so we got around everywhere by walking, bus/trains and sometimes cabs.

ok, so how does this work when your kids go to school 10 miles away (because not everyone has a good local public school) and you work 20 miles from home (which is probably a little under the average commute here in the bay) and soccer practice is 5 miles from the school? and is everyone supposed to show up to work sweaty? outside of leisure biking, i sweat, i'm not about to plan 2 hours to get to work to fix sweated out hair, shower and change

you grew up in NYC the epitome of neighborhood density for the US...that is not the case for 98% of the US. and i'll be damned rolling that through the present streets of oakland given how people drive out here. yall want to try to impose stuff NOW that we haven't made way for...nah

 

[mastermind]

i haven't read your exchange, so apologies if yall already discussed - but what's you idea of public housing? doesn't public housing just become "the projects"? are there any dignified public housing buildings in the US - honest question as my only knowledge/experience of them has been them as places rife with squalor, crime and disenfranchisement. i know they didn't start that way in the early 20th century, but i'm wondering if we have any developments presently that are clean, generally well kept developments?

that goes back to what I said earlier regarding the US not investing in public housing. "The projects" happened because the government let it be that way. Just like our transit systems being nasty and trash because our government gave up on them. They gave up on them because Americans have been taught that taxes are bad.

Singapore has public housing, and they invested in it: