Data for what, do you go outside?
2nd, riding the wrong way is for idiots and the risk for accidents is much higher than the going the correct way.
The age of ‘the car is king’ is over. The sooner we accept that, the better
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Data for what, do you go outside?
2nd, riding the wrong way is for idiots and the risk for accidents is much higher than the going the correct way.
At no point did I say everyone should leave their cars.
What I believe is that America caters far too much to car culture and it comes at the detriment of quality of life and terrible finances.
There is a place for the automobile in America. You happy? I’ve made this clear.
But there are simply too many cars. Too much infrastructure dedicated to them. Too much money wasted on land to house them and road maintenance. Too much environmental harm because of them.
What becomes clear once one presents evidence of why we need more public transit is that those against it run out of arguments and inevitably resort to foolishness like “it could never happen here…”
Well sure. Once you’ve decided that it CANT HAPPEN, it won’t happen. Self fulfilling prophecy at its finest.
What?
How?
Explain how.
Bike lanes, rezoning, affordable housing, density and the manufactured housing crisis are all gentrification schemes, scams and plots until proven otherwise.
How?
1. Bike lanes
Bike lanes are used to shape the character of a neighborhood. One of the first things that happens in a neighborhood that’s been gentrified is the construction of bike lanes and all of the restructuring of ‘normal life’ that it takes to accommodate them. In cities this means less on street parking.
In DC this played out with a high profile fight between historically Black churches that need on street parking for their church services, weddings and funerals vs gentrifying colonists with no families and no connection to the community. Guess who won due to their lobbying ($$$) efforts?
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
www.bloomberg.com
2. Rezoning
Rezoning is a current hot issue in DC, PG & MoCo. The same folks who wanted bike lanes argue that affordable housing & density are needed to address the manufactured housing crisis. And they say they need rezoning to accomplish their goals. Well… what’s the harm in rezoning? Some rezoning is needed. It happens all the time. In the case of the gentrifiers they can’t afford to buy single family homes in the neighborhoods they want: Takoma Park, Chevy Chase, Shepard Park, Silver Spring, etc. so they want to rezone them. There is a need for some rezoning. The problem here is that developers will use new zoning regulations to push out the remaining low income/middle income families in these neighborhoods.
How will rezoning push people out? When you rezone a neighborhood from low density to high density and start building $2500 condo and apartment units you drive up the prices on the lower income folks who make up the neighborhood.
The purple line is going to gut Langley Park & Riverdale and push out the immigrants. Developers have already purchased the existing low income housing and as soon as everything is properly zoned they will tear it down and replace the $1100-1400/month units with $1800-2500/month units.
https://www.bizjournals.com/washing...-bedford-victoria-station-prince-georges.html
3. Affordable housing
Affordable housing is something we all want. Unfortunately, it’s mostly a tax payer funded giveaway to developers. They make agreements to build it in order to get their projects past parks and planning. Then in the design phase they phase out as much it as possible. So the finished project inevitably delivers less housing than planned and at a higher cost than planned. Sometimes the affordable units expire after 10-15 years and go back to the market rate. Sometimes the affordable housing is based on what’s considered affordable for the neighborhood. So when you build affordable housing in Bethesda it qualifies by being priced for people making 60% (I’m making this number up) of the neighborhood median income. So in this case the developer is really building a home for the upper middle class and marketing it as being for the poor while getting a tax cut. There is nothing affordable about $700,000 condos and homes.
4. Density & 5. The manufactured housing crisis
America is not Europe. We have massive amounts of undeveloped and underdeveloped areas. The density advocates would lead you to believe there are only 7 liveable cities and we have to squeeze our entire populace into them. If we can’t it’s a tragedy.
Instead of rezoning and destroying ‘hot’ neighborhoods to achieve mythical density what if we encouraged people to purchase & renovate the 14,000 vacant homes in Baltimore that are fueling crime & causing city services to be overstretched and underfunded? The estimated 40,000 vacant homes and lots in Philly. And on and on. The internet estimated 50,000 vacant homes in Detroit. It’s estimated that there are 16 MILLION vacant homes in the US.
16 Million Homes Vacant in U.S.
But a vacant home is not always a reflection of a worrisome trend for a housing market.
www.nar.realtor
But Consigliere, we have a homelessness crisis! We need housing for them.
The city of New York has an estimated 2500 units for the homeless that are sitting unoccupied. This is enough units to house the entire homeless population of NYC.
Enough units to house all NYC’s homeless are sitting vacant: survey
A recent survey by the Supportive Housing Network of New York found that 10 percent of the city’s apartments for homeless housing are sitting empty,
nypost.com
In DC 25% of the city managed affordable housing is vacant.
My point with all of this is that moneyed interests are attempting to exploit a situation that they created. And their plan is to promise solutions and underdeliver so they can do the same old business as usual. The only thing that has changed is the way they’re selling it.
theres no data to support this.
Data for what, do you go outside?
2nd, riding the wrong way is for idiots and the risk for accidents is much higher than the going the correct way.
Negged for reducing that masterful reply to a smiley.And there it is.
I agree with you.
I'm a dyed in the wool car guy. I've owned a million cars, from hoopties, to nice ass cars like my Model S. But after visiting Japan, I honestly don't see the utility in cars anymore.
Being from LA, driving is all I've ever known. We have a HORRIBLE public transportation system, but like someone earlier in this thread said, that was by design. They have refused to put trains in places that should have had trains (like LA > Frisco or LA > Vegas).
After spending significant time in Japan though, I have fallen in love with the efficiency, precision (and frankly, the novelty) of riding everywhere on the trains. It was one of my favorite things about that country. I got everywhere precisely on time, and it felt GOOD not having to look for a parking space.
I still got my Passmo card lol. I'm going back to Japan in 3 days, and the fukking trains are one of the things I'm looking forward to
Legitimately addicted.
people are working on new solutions for last-mile deliveries and packaging, such as bike delivery, small robotic vehicles and even drones.
tell us about the misery of riding public transportation and do you believe this misery to be universal or innate?In this thread, brehs that don't know how to drive or don't have a car, want others to join them in their misery riding public transport
JasoRockStar
Superstar
That's the root of it. No matter how many articles or peer-reviewed studies you cite, that's the bottom line of most of these "public transportation isn't as feasible" guys. They just don't want to even consider it because they're set in their ways.And there it is.
ExodusNirvana
Change is inevitable...
TELL EMBike lanes, rezoning, affordable housing, density and the manufactured housing crisis are all gentrification schemes, scams and plots until proven otherwise.
How?
1. Bike lanes
Bike lanes are used to shape the character of a neighborhood. One of the first things that happens in a neighborhood that’s been gentrified is the construction of bike lanes and all of the restructuring of ‘normal life’ that it takes to accommodate them. In cities this means less on street parking.
In DC this played out with a high profile fight between historically Black churches that need on street parking for their church services, weddings and funerals vs gentrifying colonists with no families and no connection to the community. Guess who won due to their lobbying ($$$) efforts?
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
www.bloomberg.com
2. Rezoning
Rezoning is a current hot issue in DC, PG & MoCo. The same folks who wanted bike lanes argue that affordable housing & density are needed to address the manufactured housing crisis. And they say they need rezoning to accomplish their goals. Well… what’s the harm in rezoning? Some rezoning is needed. It happens all the time. In the case of the gentrifiers they can’t afford to buy single family homes in the neighborhoods they want: Takoma Park, Chevy Chase, Shepard Park, Silver Spring, etc. so they want to rezone them. There is a need for some rezoning. The problem here is that developers will use new zoning regulations to push out the remaining low income/middle income families in these neighborhoods.
How will rezoning push people out? When you rezone a neighborhood from low density to high density and start building $2500 condo and apartment units you drive up the prices on the lower income folks who make up the neighborhood.
The purple line is going to gut Langley Park & Riverdale and push out the immigrants. Developers have already purchased the existing low income housing and as soon as everything is properly zoned they will tear it down and replace the $1100-1400/month units with $1800-2500/month units.
https://www.bizjournals.com/washing...-bedford-victoria-station-prince-georges.html
3. Affordable housing
Affordable housing is something we all want. Unfortunately, it’s mostly a tax payer funded giveaway to developers. They make agreements to build it in order to get their projects past parks and planning. Then in the design phase they phase out as much it as possible. So the finished project inevitably delivers less housing than planned and at a higher cost than planned. Sometimes the affordable units expire after 10-15 years and go back to the market rate. Sometimes the affordable housing is based on what’s considered affordable for the neighborhood. So when you build affordable housing in Bethesda it qualifies by being priced for people making 60% (I’m making this number up) of the neighborhood median income. So in this case the developer is really building a home for the upper middle class and marketing it as being for the poor while getting a tax cut. There is nothing affordable about $700,000 condos and homes.
4. Density & 5. The manufactured housing crisis
America is not Europe. We have massive amounts of undeveloped and underdeveloped areas. The density advocates would lead you to believe there are only 7 liveable cities and we have to squeeze our entire populace into them. If we can’t it’s a tragedy.
Instead of rezoning and destroying ‘hot’ neighborhoods to achieve mythical density what if we encouraged people to purchase & renovate the 14,000 vacant homes in Baltimore that are fueling crime & causing city services to be overstretched and underfunded? The estimated 40,000 vacant homes and lots in Philly. And on and on. The internet estimated 50,000 vacant homes in Detroit. It’s estimated that there are 16 MILLION vacant homes in the US.
16 Million Homes Vacant in U.S.
But a vacant home is not always a reflection of a worrisome trend for a housing market.
But Consigliere, we have a homelessness crisis! We need housing for them.
The city of New York has an estimated 2500 units for the homeless that are sitting unoccupied. This is enough units to house the entire homeless population of NYC.
Enough units to house all NYC’s homeless are sitting vacant: survey
A recent survey by the Supportive Housing Network of New York found that 10 percent of the city’s apartments for homeless housing are sitting empty,
In DC 25% of the city managed affordable housing is vacant.
My point with all of this is that moneyed interests are attempting to exploit a situation that they created. And their plan is to promise solutions and underdeliver so they can do the same old business as usual. The only thing that has changed is the way they’re selling it.
Aren’t all these income limit places that popping up everywhere the new public housing?
Brehvity3135
Banned
In this thread, brehs that don't know how to drive or don't have a car, want others to join them in their misery riding public transport
Pissy homeless funkin up the cab,
Mentally ill Brehettes flashing their deflated milk boxes
Unruly teens getting sturdy on your commute home
Wheelchair man in those wheelchair gloves slipping and sliding down the aisle
dikkhead listening to drill music at decibels not suitable for F-15’s
Public transportation is for bums, masochists, sadists, jehovah witnesses, vegans and teachers
i hear you, whats the solution to the housing crisis though?YOU SEE IT
Look at the housing they're trying to build in Queens in Astoria I think?
You're gonna push out that entire community because at the end of the day, the landlords will raise the rent in the area because once them "market rate" apartments hit, the demographics of the neighborhood will change and when the landlords realize that they CAN charge more? They WILL
And its BEEN happening in Brooklyn in Flatbush, Crown Heights, Bed Stuy, etc.
It's why these City Council members play patty cake with these developers on how much affordable housing gets built and what the requirements for them will be.
They work with the developers to cut costs for THEM knowing damn well it will change the character of neighborhoods and push out long time residents and communities
Another example is Harlem! Wake up!
