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If you want to co sign a white person as black just say so but you don't need to lie about pac
Ask any real pac fan
The "1 Drop Rule" explained and how it's tied to AfroAmerican identity
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Ask any real pac fan
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loyola llothta
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Black & white mixed = black
Black & asian mixed = black
Black & mexican= black
One Black great grandparent in your background= black
Cleary we don't hold black to any high regards , seem like inferiority complex
There you go with that willful ignorance. You clearly read what I wrote. She picked cotton because she was black and that was all she could do to earn a living. She looked black, she just had very light skin. I realize that's difficult for you to conceptualize, because you're wholly ignorant about our culture and too arrogant to care that you're ignorant; along with the fact that mixed and lighter skinned people don't have to be forced to be proud of their blackness, but often choose to be in spite of white supremacy because blackness is also an ancestral/cultural identity here.
I said from jump I don't tell people how to identify and I don't claim anyone who doesn't want to be claimed or can't be claimed, so all your silly generalizations don't apply to me. And I didn't say anything about your skin tone, but nice try. I said you have an issue with your own blackness (identity, not complexion) because it clearly vexes you when people, who don't have to be, are proud of theirs.
OP posted far more men than women and I posted one pic of two sisters related to the man we were discussing and you make this comment? Mind you, I'm a woman. I see where your head is, though.
Like I said, I guess Quincy Jones lied in the interview.
And I ain't consigning whites as black.
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OP have to be an agent, he made this thread on height of Rachel Dolezal circus.
I don't accept her or any other "white" people as "black". Fair skinned blacks aren't white.If you accept obvious looking white people claiming black, you got self-hate period.
Right....I should diss the fair skinned afroeuropean people of my ethnicity who were part of the struggle/shared experiences and my fair skinned people of my family/ancestors because you/some people don't like the genetic reality and history of what formed Afram identity/ethnicity.
You think Prodigy from Mobb Deep questions his blackness or thinks negative of his fair skinned Great-Great-Great-Grandfather who help Found Morehouse College?
@ 1:11http://kollegekidd.com/news/mobb-de...-great-grandfather-founded-morehouse-college/
White, William Jefferson (1832-1913): Born to a white planter and mulatto slave, William Jefferson White was a cabinetmaker by trade and minister by vocation. Born in Elbert County, Georgia, he was taken to South Carolina as a child and returned to Augusta as an adult. He trained in carpentry at the Goodrich Lumber Company and later worked as a cabinet and coffin maker for the Platt Brothers, a furniture and undertaking firm. He also worked construction and helped build several churches and schools in the area. Light skinned and blue eyed, White could have easily "passed" but chose to live as a black man. During the 1850s he he organized clandestine schools for slaves and free blacks, earning him the title of "Father of Negro Education" in the Augusta area. In the days following the Civil War, he became an important figure in the early civil rights movement. He worked hard to forge close associations with the white citizenry, started the Harmony Baptist Church, championed Republican Party causes, and sat on the Board of Trustees for Spelman Seminary. In 1867 he founded the Augusta Institute, which is now Morehouse College
http://home.comcast.net/~michigaloot/blacks.html
This thread should have been in the bushes.
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Like I said, I guess Quincy Jones lied in the interview.
And I ain't consigning whites as black.
Dude is Haitian.
Just ignore him.
Pathetic he is so worried about our culture while his people get cleansed.
loyola llothta
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Still a fukboy I see
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Without a doubt... but that's understandable. We have been losing as group for a long time now....
Also to add on to that.. I think dudes are just thinking with their dikk when it comes to this. Which is terrifying because of the past implications.
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You see it too eh. It's already happening if you have been paying attention.
As AA's political, economic, and social power circles the drain... expect BiRacials and Mixed to eventually want their own category.
Black community can keep bringing up the past, but shyt isn't about the past...
it's about this
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It's the past and present and here is the present
12 Beautiful Portraits Of Black Identity Challenging the "One-Drop" Rule
"What are you?" they'd ask, head tilted and eyes squinted.
"Black," I'd reply.
"No ... but like, what else are you? I know it's not all black."
So went a typical interrogation by my peers as a kid. With skin lighter than even some who identify as White and hair that streaks blond in the sun, I've never been offended by the question, although I have since changed my response. To the more politically correct question that I'm asked in adulthood — "Where are you from?" — I would recite my ethnic makeup, followed by a definitive, "But I identify as Black." (If I feel like being a wise ass, I'll simply reply with "New Jersey.")
How do you define a racial identity? Can "blackness" be defined simply by a person's skin tone, hair texture or facial features? Can we define it by the way someone walks or talks? Can it be a product of someone's cultural affinities, regardless of what she looks like?
These are the questions that Dr. Yaba Blay and photographer Noelle Théard encourage us to wrestle with in (1)ne Drop: Shifting the Lens on Race. Featuring the perspectives of 58 people who identify as part of the larger "racial, cultural, and social group generally referred to and known as Black," the book combines candid memoirs and striking portraits to explore the complexities of Black identity and celebrate an individual's right to self-identify.
(1)ne Drop's title derives from the "one-drop rule" — a (successful) attempt to define blackness in America as one drop, or at least 1/32, of Black ancestry for the economic, social and political purposes of distinguishing a Black person from a White person. I say "successful," because the one-drop rule still holds cultural weight today, especially with regard to how we value light and dark skin. For this reason, Dr. Blay aims to "challenge narrow yet popular perceptions of what Blackness is and what Blackness looks like."
"I think the context that we live in shapes the way you identify yourself, and the way others identify you," says Dr. Blay. And therein lies the power of (1)ne Drop. From Zun Lee, a man who has always identified as Black despite being phenotypically Asian, to Sembene McFarland, a woman whose vitiligo bizarrely blurs other people's perception of her race, to James Bartlett, a man who is mistaken for Italian, Arab or Hispanic depending on what U.S. city he's in, (1)ne Drop narrates a story of blackness that is not bound by looks, but that is fluid and empowered by the act of self-identification.
Below are 12 portraits of participants, including their self-identification and a piece of their personal story from (1)ne Drop: Shifting the Lens on Race:
1. La Block – “Biracial/Mixed”
"I always wanted to be darker because I didn't want to have to tell people that I'm Black. I just wanted them to be able to tell … Now I say that I'm Biracial just because I think it's important to embrace cultures and I think the language of 'Biracial' reflects everything that I am."
2. Andrew Holmes - "Black"
"I've never been put in a situation to have to think about how I identify. I don't exclude my Biracialness. I fully embrace my Caucasian roots, just as I do my Jamaican roots. When I'm at home and I'm looking at my mom and my dad and my siblings, I don't necessarily see a Black family or a White family — I just see my family. But if there's a need for me to bubble in what I am, there's no hesitation — I bubble in 'Black.' That's just how I feel. I'm definitely not a White guy. People don't look at me and say, 'Hey, look at that White man!'"
3. Zun Lee – “Black”
"When I applied to grad school or for jobs, all of a sudden the boxes come up. I had to make a choice, so for the first time, I checked 'Black.' And I didn't think long about it because for me, it was based on personal circumstance. I just chose the box that I felt most at home with because I didn't relate to any of the other options. From then on, if I were asked, I would answer, 'I'm Black.' Of course, people told me I couldn't do that — that I couldn't choose that box. But I had spent all of my life being pushed away by people. In Germany, I wasn't even given the option to check anything because I wasn't welcomed there. I had no box. For the first time, I was being given the option to identify myself. Now I had a box, and I was happy in that little box."
4. Deborah Thomas – “Mixed/Jamaican”
"I was telling my students the other day that the most frequent question I get is, 'What are you?' People just randomly on the street, 'What are you?' I used to get really annoyed and militant about it. I've never been sure why people are so bold, because I would never. So I used to respond, 'Human!' But now I just try to figure out what it is somebody's trying to know."
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5. James Bartlett – “Black”
"Most of the time, I can tell — somebody's either just looking at me or they just flat out ask me, 'What are you?' I can't tell you how many times I get that question. It's funny, because now most people either say, 'I thought you were XYZ when I first met you,' or 'I didn't know what you were until you started talking and then I knew you were Black!'"
6. Nuala Cabral – “Black/Mixed/Cape Verdean”
"I may identify as a Biracial person — I'm Black and White — but if people see me as a Black woman, that's how I'm treated. So I identify as a Black woman because I move through the world as a Black woman."
7. Melanie Staton – “African American”
"I don't think ever in my life someone has looked at me like, 'I think she's a White girl.' But I'm not sure people always look at me at as African American either. I guess it doesn't dawn on people that the African American race can come in so many different shades."
8. Brandon Stanford – “African American”
"My consciousness never really allowed me to think of myself as anything else but Black or a person of African descent. Anyone who has had the opportunity to get to know me never questions my race. They never question me being Black. Never. Regardless of my complexion. But for those who don't necessarily know me, based on my phenotype and their perception, I've had some interesting experiences."
9. Sumaya Ellard – “Black American Muslim”
"I started covering my hair when I was about 14. It was an adjustment for me because in our society, especially within the Black community, we define ourselves very deeply by our hair. Your hair somehow identifies who you are, how Black you are, how beautiful you are, how polished you are, or your political inclinations. It was an adjustment because it felt like I was taking away part of my identity from people. The hijab itself can be a barrier in people's perception of you and how well they think they can identify who you are. And yet, I think that's the beauty of covering. You are forced to deal with yourself and your own self-identification."
10. Sembene McFarland – “Black/African American”
"A lot of people just look and see skin color. Your skin is White, therefore you're White. Or are you? One girl said to me, 'I've been wanting to ask you this question but I didn't feel comfortable asking you because I thought that you might be offended, but are you Black or are you White?' And I told her, 'Well, I'm always Black.'"
11. Kaneesha Parsard — "Black/Multiracial"
"I tend to believe that being Black — like choosing to identify as Multiracial — is not about phenotype as much as it's about feelings of belonging and identification. I'm Black because I feel the memory of the Middle Passage and slavery most strongly. I'm Black because when I look in the mirror I see my mother, her mother and my aunts. Maybe my reasoning wouldn't be strong enough for somebody who might have an immediately negative or dismissive response to my phenotype, but our cultural memories have the same roots."
12. Brett Russel — "Yu’i Korsou (a child of Curaçao)"
"Even though I was born and raised in Curaçao and I spoke the language, at first sight people always thought that I was Dutch. Then, when I came to Holland in 2001, the people saw me as 'the immigrant.' All of a sudden, I was 'the Black guy.' It was frustrating. There was no explanation for it, and I realized how little I had actually thought about myself in the context of race."
"Most of the time, I can tell — somebody's either just looking at me or they just flat out ask me, 'What are you?' I can't tell you how many times I get that question. It's funny, because now most people either say, 'I thought you were XYZ when I first met you,' or 'I didn't know what you were until you started talking and then I knew you were Black!'"
6. Nuala Cabral – “Black/Mixed/Cape Verdean”
"I may identify as a Biracial person — I'm Black and White — but if people see me as a Black woman, that's how I'm treated. So I identify as a Black woman because I move through the world as a Black woman."
7. Melanie Staton – “African American”
"I don't think ever in my life someone has looked at me like, 'I think she's a White girl.' But I'm not sure people always look at me at as African American either. I guess it doesn't dawn on people that the African American race can come in so many different shades."
8. Brandon Stanford – “African American”
"My consciousness never really allowed me to think of myself as anything else but Black or a person of African descent. Anyone who has had the opportunity to get to know me never questions my race. They never question me being Black. Never. Regardless of my complexion. But for those who don't necessarily know me, based on my phenotype and their perception, I've had some interesting experiences."
9. Sumaya Ellard – “Black American Muslim”
"I started covering my hair when I was about 14. It was an adjustment for me because in our society, especially within the Black community, we define ourselves very deeply by our hair. Your hair somehow identifies who you are, how Black you are, how beautiful you are, how polished you are, or your political inclinations. It was an adjustment because it felt like I was taking away part of my identity from people. The hijab itself can be a barrier in people's perception of you and how well they think they can identify who you are. And yet, I think that's the beauty of covering. You are forced to deal with yourself and your own self-identification."
10. Sembene McFarland – “Black/African American”
"A lot of people just look and see skin color. Your skin is White, therefore you're White. Or are you? One girl said to me, 'I've been wanting to ask you this question but I didn't feel comfortable asking you because I thought that you might be offended, but are you Black or are you White?' And I told her, 'Well, I'm always Black.'"
11. Kaneesha Parsard — "Black/Multiracial"
"I tend to believe that being Black — like choosing to identify as Multiracial — is not about phenotype as much as it's about feelings of belonging and identification. I'm Black because I feel the memory of the Middle Passage and slavery most strongly. I'm Black because when I look in the mirror I see my mother, her mother and my aunts. Maybe my reasoning wouldn't be strong enough for somebody who might have an immediately negative or dismissive response to my phenotype, but our cultural memories have the same roots."
12. Brett Russel — "Yu’i Korsou (a child of Curaçao)"
"Even though I was born and raised in Curaçao and I spoke the language, at first sight people always thought that I was Dutch. Then, when I came to Holland in 2001, the people saw me as 'the immigrant.' All of a sudden, I was 'the Black guy.' It was frustrating. There was no explanation for it, and I realized how little I had actually thought about myself in the context of race."
5. James Bartlett – “Black”
"Most of the time, I can tell — somebody's either just looking at me or they just flat out ask me, 'What are you?' I can't tell you how many times I get that question. It's funny, because now most people either say, 'I thought you were XYZ when I first met you,' or 'I didn't know what you were until you started talking and then I knew you were Black!'"
6. Nuala Cabral – “Black/Mixed/Cape Verdean”
"I may identify as a Biracial person — I'm Black and White — but if people see me as a Black woman, that's how I'm treated. So I identify as a Black woman because I move through the world as a Black woman."
7. Melanie Staton – “African American”
"I don't think ever in my life someone has looked at me like, 'I think she's a White girl.' But I'm not sure people always look at me at as African American either. I guess it doesn't dawn on people that the African American race can come in so many different shades."
8. Brandon Stanford – “African American”
"My consciousness never really allowed me to think of myself as anything else but Black or a person of African descent. Anyone who has had the opportunity to get to know me never questions my race. They never question me being Black. Never. Regardless of my complexion. But for those who don't necessarily know me, based on my phenotype and their perception, I've had some interesting experiences."
9. Sumaya Ellard – “Black American Muslim”
"I started covering my hair when I was about 14. It was an adjustment for me because in our society, especially within the Black community, we define ourselves very deeply by our hair. Your hair somehow identifies who you are, how Black you are, how beautiful you are, how polished you are, or your political inclinations. It was an adjustment because it felt like I was taking away part of my identity from people. The hijab itself can be a barrier in people's perception of you and how well they think they can identify who you are. And yet, I think that's the beauty of covering. You are forced to deal with yourself and your own self-identification."
10. Sembene McFarland – “Black/African American”
"A lot of people just look and see skin color. Your skin is White, therefore you're White. Or are you? One girl said to me, 'I've been wanting to ask you this question but I didn't feel comfortable asking you because I thought that you might be offended, but are you Black or are you White?' And I told her, 'Well, I'm always Black.'"
11. Kaneesha Parsard — "Black/Multiracial"
"I tend to believe that being Black — like choosing to identify as Multiracial — is not about phenotype as much as it's about feelings of belonging and identification. I'm Black because I feel the memory of the Middle Passage and slavery most strongly. I'm Black because when I look in the mirror I see my mother, her mother and my aunts. Maybe my reasoning wouldn't be strong enough for somebody who might have an immediately negative or dismissive response to my phenotype, but our cultural memories have the same roots."
12. Brett Russel — "Yu’i Korsou (a child of Curaçao)"
"Even though I was born and raised in Curaçao and I spoke the language, at first sight people always thought that I was Dutch. Then, when I came to Holland in 2001, the people saw me as 'the immigrant.' All of a sudden, I was 'the Black guy.' It was frustrating. There was no explanation for it, and I realized how little I had actually thought about myself in the context of race."
Pick some of the least black looking people and consider them black breh.
We're calling Koreans black now
I don't say that often but you must be white and trolling.
