The "1 Drop Rule" explained and how it's tied to AfroAmerican identity

[DabbinSauce]

lol yes it does still exist. AA's are keeping the rule alive.

Also yeah it's time to wipe out that line of thinking. I ain't saying you gotta deny your fam.. because shyt my mom and aunts are light skinned... but a fukking line has got to be drawn now.

For our people to have unity...
UNITY implies UNIFORMITY

How are African Americans keeping it alive?

 

[notwhoiusedtobe]

lol yes it does still exist. AA's are keeping the rule alive.

Also yeah it's time to wipe out that line of thinking. I ain't saying you gotta deny your fam.. because shyt my mom and aunts are light skinned... but a fukking line has got to be drawn now.

For our people to have unity...
UNITY implies UNIFORMITY

I don't know anyone who adheres to the one drop rule, African Americans today largely go by "the one look rule" Meaning, if you look black and you have a black parent or parents, then you're black.

And let's not front like we're the only ones who go by the one look rule. Al Jazeera had a special on black Iraqis, the two million or so descendents of Africans brought to the land by Arab slave traders. Some of these people clearly had high percentages of Arab admixture, but they identified as black. One of them was a politician by the name of Jalal Dihab Thijeel. This dude....

He said that he saw Barack Obama as a black man and that gave him hope that blacks could rise to power and have a say in Iraq.

Now, we can't have it both ways, giving daps to people in the African diaspora who now proudly embrace their blackness, despite having European/Arab admixture or not looking phenotypically African (another fallacy), then shunning African Americans who've always done it.

Unity is not contingent on uniformity of looks, for African Americans not only is that impossible, it's illogical. It's that sort of thinking that that has the Dominicans trying to get rid of darker-skinned people on some lowkey Hitler level racial cleansing.

How would you go about achieving "uniformity" at this point? How would you say which one of these two cousins isn't black?

You just going to and eyeball it, not knowing they both have comparably high European admixture? Should we have racial ID cards Apartheid South Africa style, that are doled out to us according to our complexion and hair texture like Brazil?

Bet, what's the word people all over the Coli to call those Dominicans? c00ns, right? How can you call those mixed AfroEuropean people c00ns for denying their blackness, then call mixed AfroEuropeans in the U.S. fraudulent for embracing theirs, even with lightskin?

Like really, a white woman in spray tan and a shytty wig catfished a few complacent, out of touch negroes and now African Americans are idiots for not operating like a bunch of self-hating foreigners? I'm sure Rachel would be pleased to know she has that much power over black people. She'll be on her way to a book and a movie deal while these light vs dark skirmishes flourish in her wake.

know game when you see it. You got undercover whites and non-African Americans posting all over the web right now, trying to sow the seeds of discord and we're buying into it. People who've always looked down on us, suddenly invested in our history, using this slattern to divide and conquer on some slick "well, Malcolm X wasn't really one of your great thinkers because he wasn't actually black."

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

He didn't have anything against race mixing, he just had beef with Quincy Jones always getting with white women

So which white women did he settle down with?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I don't know anyone who adheres to the one drop rule, African Americans today largely go by "the one look rule" Meaning, if you look black and you have a black parent or parents, then you're black.

And let's not front like we're the only ones who go by the one look rule. Al Jazeera had a special on black Iraqis, the two million or so descendents of Africans brought to the land by Arab slave traders. Some of these people clearly had high percentages of Arab admixture, but they identified as black. One of them was a politician by the name of Jalal Dihab Thijeel. This dude....

He said that he saw Barack Obama as a black man and that gave him hope that blacks could rise to power and have a say in Iraq.

They know the reverse One Drop and the American One Drop exist outside of the USA but they're trying to play dumb. That's why Greatest laker and other's are avoiding this post like




GreatestLaker where you at? I know you saw this post

Oh really? What other "black" people follow the one drop rule? Tell me where outside of America is Wentworth Miller considered a black man by black people?

Latin American have the One Drop Rule in reverse (running from blackness to embrace whiteness) but at the same time you'll see people self identifying along the lines of how Aframs do (embracing blackness regardless of how non-stereotypical african they may appear). For many of these self identified Afro-Brazilians could call themslves anything but "black" based on the reverse One Drop Rule of brazil



Creator of TV program deemed racist invited to black awards ceremony; students of nation’s only black college repudiate the invitation

Caption: “My body is not a product on the shelf of your market” – “Sexo e as negas doesn’t represent me” – Unipalmares students and black women activists repudiate the “Sexo e as negas” program created by Miguel Falabella

Note from BW of Brazil: I must say that after reading the news last week I was little disgusted and disappointed. About what, you ask? Well, for the past few weeks, this blog has featured a number of articles detailing the controversy surrounding the new television series Sexo e as negas on Brazil’s most dominant TV network, Rede Globo. Black women across the country have repudiated the show and to stomp out the resistance, Globo is now resorting to the second step in its manipulation program: to deflect accusations of racism, well-known Afro-Brazilians are publicly announcing their support of the show. After all, if there are blacks who support the show, it can’t possibly be racist, right? Since then, a number of prominent black public have stepped forward and done just that. Yesterday on the blog you saw Grammy-nominated musician Carlinhos Brown voice his support for the show on a top (Globo) talk show. There have been others as well who will be featured in an upcoming post. And then there was the nation’s only predominantly black college opening its doors to the show’s creator.

Sexo e as negas creator Miguel Falabella announced last week that Faculdade Zumbi dos Palmares contacted him to participate in its annual Troféu Raça Negra award ceremony. It’s not clear exactly what this meant. The Troféu Raça Negra awards, something like the American Essence Awards or NAACP Awards (although it bills itself as the “Black Oscars”), presents awards to Afro-Brazilians of highlight in the year or those who contribute to the Afro-Brazilian cause. Was Falabella to receive an award? Present an award? Or have some sort of debate about race in the media? It’s still not clear. In my view, it doesn’t matter. How does the nation’s only predominantly black college whose aim is to address exclusion and racial inequality invite someone who many in the black community see as selling a highly racist, stereotypical representation of the black population to a wide audience? What is the message here? A white director can present the black population in any way that he chooses and the black population should still be thankful for this? Not feeling this action AT ALL!! And as it turns out, students at the college are not feeling it either!



NO PRIZES FOR FALABELLA


Coletivo Mulheres Negras de Joinville, Santa Catarina (Black Women’s Collective of Joinville, Santa Catarina) also repudiates ‘Sexo e as negas’

I received this note of repudiation from Flávio, showing that the series Sexo e as negascontinues to provoke things to say: a college wants to reward Miguel Falabella.


Pretas Simoa, black women’s group from Cariri, Ceará

First of all, a little context. The Zumbi dos Palmares College is one of the arms of the Movimento Negro (black movement). It was born to be a “black university”, inspired by the Americans. Located in São Paulo, currently about 97% of its students are negrxs(black men and women). It is the only one in Latin America with this profile.


Maisa, Pedagogy student in Salvador, Bahia

The Faculdade Zumbi (Zumbi College) annually hands out the Troféu Raça Negra, rewarding black researchers and militants. This year one of the guests for the awards is the author and actor Miguel Falabella. The justification for his prize is that the institution wants to establish a dialogue with him about racial issues. Much of the Movimento Negro believes that Zumbi College is not adequate space to promote this dialogue.

Below is the letter of repudiation from the Pedagogy department (all pictures in this post were taken from the National Boycott page on Facebook, which already has almost 31,000 likes):

“The students and teachers of Pedagogy of Zumbi dos Palmares College 2014, collectively organized and gathered on the date of September 22, 2014, to formalize a vehement repudiation of the invite made by the directors of Zumbi dos Palmares College to the actor and director Miguel Falabella. As most of our group is formed by black women, we understand that the show Sex e as negas re-enforce racist stereotypes that relegate black women to the role of sexual object and due to this, we do not feel represented in, but to the contrary, disrespected.


Eliane, Pedagogue

We emphasize that the understanding of black woman transmitted by the production goes against all the guiding principles of affirmative action policies won by the struggle of the Movimento Negro (Black Movement) in Brazil, these principles that address reparation, recognition and appreciation of the black population. We are black and non-black men and women in the quest for a just, fair and equal education and therefore defend our right to make use of these conquests and condemn and punish any act of racism.


Paula, Pedagogy student in Belo Horizonte, Minas Gerais

This ideology acts as a constructing mechanism of distorted images of the black population, linking different Eurocentric symbolic elements to justify and validate the ranking among humans. Racism seeps into all spaces, echoing ideas that mutilate the possibilities of existence, building lives incarcerated within a subaltern survival. For the realization of this process, numerous everyday actions densifies stereotypes, setting pre-established destinations for black children, black women and black men.


Nathalia, Social Sciences student at UFSC (Federal University of Santa Catarina in Florianópolis, Santa Catarina)

Racist TV productions need not be debated, but punished in an exemplary manner conforming to the Brazilian Federal Constitution. Our role as educators is to denounce the explicit racism in this and other negative works to the construction of an egalitarian education. Our comprehension of education understands that we have the institutional duty to echo the voices of those who are rarely heard and represented in our society, and not bringing visibility and awareness to public figures that disqualify our banners of struggle.


There are already 117 complaints against ‘Sexo e as negas’

We strengthen the right to respect and legitimate representation of black actors and actresses, of black men and women in movements of struggle and resistance as workers, students, mothers, daughters, teachers, lawyers, administrators and advertisers among others. We finalize by demanding respect!”

Source: Escreva Lola Escreva

Now, we can't have it both ways, giving daps to people in the African diaspora who now proudly embrace their blackness, despite having European/Arab admixture or not looking phenotypically African (another fallacy), then shunning African Americans who've always done it.

Exactly

Unity is not contingent on uniformity of looks, for African Americans not only is that impossible, it's illogical. It's that sort of thinking that that has the Dominicans trying to get rid of darker-skinned people on some lowkey Hitler level racial cleansing.

Yup

How would you go about achieving "uniformity" at this point? How would you say which one of these two cousins isn't black?

You just going to and eyeball it, not knowing they both have comparably high European admixture? Should we have racial ID cards Apartheid South Africa style, that are doled out to us according to our complexion and hair texture like Brazil?

Brazil

As the IBGE itself acknowledges, these categories are disputed, and most of the population dislike it and do not identify with them.[51] Most Brazilians see “Indígena” as a cultural rather than racial term, and don’t describe as such if they are part of the mainstream Brazilian culture; many Brazilians would prefer to self-describe as “morenos” (used in the sense of “tanned” or “brunettes”);[52] some Black and parda people, more identified with the Brazilian Black movement, would prefer to self-describe as “Negro” as an inclusive category containing pardos and pretos;[53] and if allowed to choose any classification, Brazilians will give almost 200 different answers.[54]

Bet, what's the word people all over the Coli to call those Dominicans? c00ns, right? How can you call those mixed AfroEuropean people c00ns for denying their blackness, then call mixed AfroEuropeans in the U.S. fraudulent for embracing theirs, even with lightskin?

Like really, a white woman in spray tan and a shytty wig catfished a few complacent, out of touch negroes and now African Americans are idiots for not operating like a bunch of self-hating foreigners? I'm sure Rachel would be pleased to know she has that much power over black people. She'll be on her way to a book and a movie deal while these light vs dark skirmishes flourish in her wake.

know game when you see it. You got undercover whites and non-African Americans posting all over the web right now, trying to sow the seeds of discord and we're buying into it. People who've always looked down on us, suddenly invested in our history, using this slattern to divide and conquer on some slick "well, Malcolm X wasn't really one of your great thinkers because he wasn't actually black."

 

[GreatestLaker]

GreatestLaker where you at? I know you saw this post



Latin American have the One Drop Rule in reverse (running from blackness to embrace whiteness) but at the same time you'll see people self identifying along the lines of how Aframs do (embracing blackness regardless of how non-stereotypical african they may appear). For many of these self identified Afro-Brazilians could call themslves anything but "black" based on the reverse One Drop Rule of brazil



Creator of TV program deemed racist invited to black awards ceremony; students of nation’s only black college repudiate the invitation

Read my question again.

What other "black" people follow the one drop rule? Tell me where outside of America is Wentworth Miller considered a black man by black people?

The answer is nowhere. Only in America is Mariah Carey considered a black woman.

fukk outside of America. You are IN America. How do you think you can come here and expect us to flip some shyt for you?

Says the fakkit with a Spanish explorer as his avatar.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

So which white women did he settle down with?

Dude died early. You know Pac was getting down with white chicks

 

[Michael9100]

This is a typical color range for African Americans:

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Read my question again.

What other "black" people follow the one drop rule? Tell me where outside of America is Wentworth Miller considered a black man by black people?

The answer is nowhere. Only in America is Mariah Carey considered a black woman.

Im asking you, what's the reason these Brazilians self identify as "black" in Brazil if the One Drop mentality only exists in the USA?

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Dude died early. You know Pac was getting down with white chicks

I don't think Pac was opposed to smashing white chicks in that industry......... I always assumed he meant settling down and raising kids with people outside of your race....

 

[Lewis Black]

they want that reverse one drop lmao , you feel me @IllmaticDelta

 

[GreatestLaker]

Im asking you, what's the reason these Brazilians self identify as "black" in Brazil if the One Drop mentality only exists in the USA?

There is no drop rule in Brazil. In Brazil a person like Mariah Carey would be white or pardo (mixed).

Neymar is pardo.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I don't think Pac was opposed to smashing white chicks in that industry......... I always assumed he meant settling down and raising kids with people outside of your race....

I think he just had beef with quincy because, literally all his wives were white At some point, even black people who aren't on that "black power" tip are going to look at you like

 

[IllmaticDelta]

There is no drop rule in Brazil. In Brazil a person like Mariah Carey would be white or pardo (mixed).

Neymar is pardo.

You're missing my point. Brazil has a reverse one drop rule but for those girls to consider themselves "Black", there must be an adopting of an American style, 1 drop rule. As I hinted at in this article...the American way of seeing things is spreading around..

USA way of seeing things is better than Latin America IMO. USA, black people view "Blackness" in shades of diversity kind of way. Latin Americans run away from blackness and towards whiteness. They have a reverse type of One Drop system.


People of Color Who Never Felt They Were Black

By Darryl Fears
Washington Post Staff Writer

At her small apartment near the National Cathedral in Northwest Washington, Maria Martins quietly watched as an African American friend
studied a picture of her mother. "Oh," the friend said, surprise in her voice. "Your mother is white."

She turned to Martins. "But you are black."

That came as news to Martins, a Brazilian who, for 30 years before immigrating to the United States, looked in the mirror and saw a morena
-- a woman with caramel-colored skin that is nearly equated with whiteness in Brazil and some other Latin American countries. "I didn't realize
I was black until I came here," she said.

That realization has come to hundreds of thousands of dark-complexioned immigrants to the United States from Brazil, Colombia, Panama
and other Latin nations with sizable populations of African descent. Although most do not identify themselves as black, they are seen that way
as soon as they set foot in North America.

Their reluctance to embrace this definition has left them feeling particularly isolated -- shunned by African Americans who believe they are
denying their blackness; by white Americans who profile them in stores or on highways; and by lighter-skinned Latinos whose images
dominate Spanish-language television all over the world, even though a majority of Latin people have some African or Indian ancestry.

The pressure to accept not only a new language and culture, but also a new racial identity, is a burden some darker-skinned Latinos say they
face every day.

"It's overwhelming," said Yvette Modestin, a dark-skinned native of Panama who works as an outreach coordinator in Boston. "There's not a
day that I don't have to explain myself."

E. Francisco Lopez, a Venezuelan-born attorney in Washington, said he had not heard the term "minority" before coming to America.

"I didn't know what it meant. I didn't accept it because I thought it meant 'less than,' " said Martins, whose father is black. " 'Where are you from?' they ask me. I say
I'm from Brazil. They say, 'No, you are from Africa.' They make me feel like I am denying who I am."

Exactly who these immigrants are is almost impossible to divine from the 2000 Census. Latinos of African, mestizo and European descent -- or any mixture of the
three -- found it hard to answer the question "What is your racial origin?"

Some of the nation's 35 million Latinos scribbled in the margins that they were Aztec or Mayan. A fraction said they were Indian. Nearly forty-eight percent
described themselves as white, and only 2 percent as black. Fully 42 percent said they were "some other race."

Between Black and White

Race matters in Latin America, but it matters differently.

Most South American nations barely have a black presence. In Argentina, Chile, Peru and Bolivia, there are racial tensions, but mostly between indigenous Indians
and white descendants of Europeans.

The black presence is stronger along the coasts of two nations that border the Caribbean Sea, Venezuela and Colombia -- which included Panama in the 19th
century -- along with Brazil, which snakes along the Atlantic coast. In many ways, those nations have more in common racially with Puerto Rico, Cuba and the
Dominican Republic than they do with the rest of South America.

This black presence is a legacy of slavery, just as it is in the United States. But the experience of race in the United States and in these Latin countries is separated by
how slaves and their descendants were treated after slavery was abolished.

In the United States, custom drew a hard line between black and white, and Jim Crow rules kept the races separate. The color line hardened to the point that it was
sanctioned in 1896 by the Supreme Court in its decision in Plessy v. Ferguson, which held that Homer Plessy, a white-complexioned Louisiana shoemaker, could
not ride in the white section of a train because a single ancestor of his was black.

Thus Americans with any discernible African ancestry -- whether they identified themselves as black or not -- were thrust into one category. One consequence is
that dark-complexioned and light-complexioned black people combined to campaign for equal rights, leading to the civil rights movement of the 1960s.

By contrast, the Latin countries with a sizable black presence had more various, and more fluid, experiences of race after slavery.

African slavery is as much a part of Brazil's history as it is of the United States's, said Sheila Walker, a visiting professor of anthropology at Spelman College in
Atlanta and editor of the book "African Roots/American Cultures." Citing the census in Brazil, she said that nation has more people of African descent than any other
in the world besides Nigeria, Africa's most populous country.

Brazil stands out in South America for that and other reasons. Unlike most nations there, its people speak Portuguese rather than Spanish, prompting a debate over
whether Brazil is part of the Latino diaspora.

Brazilian slavery ended in 1889 by decree, with no civil war and no Jim Crow -- and mixing between light- and dark-complexioned Indians, Europeans, Africans
and mulattoes was common and, in many areas, encouraged. Although discrimination against dark-complexioned Brazilians was clear, class played almost as
important a role as race.

In Colombia, said Luis Murillo, a black politician in exile from that country, light-complexioned descendants of Spanish conquistadors and Indians created the
"mestizo" race, an ideology that held that all mixed-race people were the same. But it was an illusion, Murillo said: A pecking order "where white people were
considered superior and darker people were considered inferior" pervaded Colombia.

Murillo said the problem exists throughout Latin American and Spanish-speaking Caribbean countries with noticeable black populations. White Latinos control the
governments even in nations with dark-complexioned majorities, he said. And in nations ruled by military juntas and dictators, there are few protests, Murillo said.

In Cuba, a protest by Afro-Cubans led to the arming of the island's white citizens and, ultimately, the massacre of 3,000 to 6,000 black men, women and children in
1912, according to University of Michigan historian Frank Guridy, author of "Race and Politics in Cuba, 1933-34."

American-influenced Cuba was also home to the Ku Klux Klan Kubano and other anti-black groups before Fidel Castro's revolution. Now, Cuban racism still
exists, some say, but black, mulatto and white people mix much more freely. Lopez, the Afro-Venezuelan lawyer, said, "Race doesn't affect us there the way it does
here," he said. "It's more of a class thing."

Jose Neinstein, a native white Brazilian and executive director of the Brazilian-American Cultural Institute in Washington, boiled down to the simplest terms how his
people are viewed. "In this country," he said, "if you are not quite white, then you are black." But in Brazil, he said, "If you are not quite black, then you are white."

The elite in Brazil, as in most Latin American nations, are educated and white. But many brown and black people also belong in that class. Generally, brown
Brazilians, such as Martins, enjoy many privileges of the elite, but are disproportionately represented in Brazilian slums.

Someone with Sidney Poitier's deep chocolate complexion would be considered white if his hair were straight and he made a living in a profession. That might not
seem so odd, Brazilians say, when you consider that the fair-complexioned actresses Rashida Jones of the television show "Boston Public" and Lena Horne are
identified as black in the United States.

Neinstein remembered talking with a man of Poitier's complexion during a visit to Brazil. "We were discussing ethnicity," Neinstein said, "and I asked him, 'What do
you think about this from your perspective as a black man?' He turned his head to me and said, 'I'm not black,' " Neinstein recalled. " . . . It simply paralyzed me. I
couldn't ask another question."

By the same token, Neinstein said, he never perceived brown-complexioned people such as Maria Martins, who works at the cultural institute, as black. One day,
when an African American custodian in his building referred to one of his brown-skinned secretaries as "the black lady," Neinstein was confused. "I never looked at
that woman as black," he said. "It was quite a revelation to me."

Those perceptions come to the United States with the light- and dark-complexioned Latinos who carry them. But here, they collide with two contradictory forces:
North American prejudice and African American pride.

'I've Learned to Be Proud'

Vilson DaSilva, a native of Brazil, is a moreno. Like his wife, Maria Martins, he was born to a black father and a white mother. But their views on race seem to
differ.

During an interview when Martins said she had no idea how they had identified themselves on the 2000 Census form, DaSilva rolled his eyes. "I said we were
black," he said.

He is one of a growing number of Latin immigrants of African descent who identify themselves as Afro-Latino, along the same color spectrum as African Americans.

"I've learned to be proud of my color," he said. For that, he thanked African American friends who stand up for equal rights.

An emerging cadre of Latinos in Washington are embracing their African identities and speaking out against what they say is a white Latino establishment, in the U.S.
and abroad.

Lopez, the Afro-Venezuelan lawyer, who lives in Columbia Heights, said there was prejudice even in such Hispanic civil rights organizations as the League of United
Latin American Citizens, the Mexican-American Legal Defense and Educational Fund and the National Council of La Raza, where, he said, few dark-complexioned
Latinos work in the offices or sit on the board. "La Raza? Represent me? Absolutely not," Lopez said.

Charles Kamasaki, an analyst for La Raza, disagreed. "I don't think you can make snap judgments like that," he said. "The way race is played out in Latino
organizations is different. There are dark-complexioned people on our board, but I don't know if they identify as Afro-Latino. Our president is mestizo. I would
resist the assertion that this organization is excluding anyone because of race."

Yvette Modestin, the black Panamanian who identifies as an Afro-Latina, said that although she accepts her blackness, she's also an immigrant who speaks Spanish.
In other words, she's not a black American. "My brother's married to a Mexican," she said. "My brother's been called a sellout by black women while walking down
the street with his wife. They are both Latino. They think he married outside his race."

DaSilva agreed that nuances separate African Americans and Afro-Latinos, but he also believes that seeing Latin America through African American eyes gave him a
better perspective. Unfortunately, he said, it also made him angrier and more stressed.

When DaSilva returned to Brazil for a visit, he asked questions he had never asked, and got answers that shocked him.

His mother told him why her father didn't speak to her for 18 years: "It was because she married a black man," he said. One day, DaSilva's own father pulled him
aside to provide his son some advice. " 'You can play around with whoever you want,' " DaSilva recalled his father saying, " 'but marry your own kind.' " So DaSilva
married Martins, the morena of his dreams.

She is dreaming of a world with fewer racial barriers, a world she believes she left in Brazil to be with her husband in Washington.

As Martins talked about the nation's various racial blends in her living room, her 18-month-old son sat in front of the television, watching a Disney cartoon called
"The Proud Family," about a merged black American and black Latino family. The characters are intelligent, whimsical, thoughtful, funny, with skin tones that range
from light to dark brown.

The DaSilvas said they would never see such a show on Latin American TV.

Martins said her perspective on race was slowly conforming to the American view, but it saddened her. She doesn't understand why she can't call a pretty black girl
a negrita, the way Latin Americans always say it, with affection. She doesn't understand why she has to say she's black, seeming to deny the existence of her
mother.

"Sometimes I say she is black on the outside and white on the inside," DaSilva said of his wife, who threw her head back and laughed.

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/latinos/latinos-race.htm

 

[notwhoiusedtobe]

There is no drop rule in Brazil. In Brazil a person like Mariah Carey would be white or pardo (mixed).

Neymar is pardo.

Wait, that's this same dude???

60 million strong, black Brazilians should be running that place. Adopting all that division crap from whites is a big reason why they aren't.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Wait, that's this same dude???

dude when he was black