The "1 Drop Rule" explained and how it's tied to AfroAmerican identity

IllmaticDelta

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I am sure there is some boundary to that inclusiveness. Or else anyone can call himself/herself black. Essentially, a line needs to be drawn or it gets ridiculous and just a flat mockery of your own heritage.

I already explained the boundary and how the "Afram" identity operates:why:

"Blackness" in the USA isn't fully based on phenotype as I explained earlier. All you need is the African ancestry which is usually combined with shared experiences of other "black" people. Usually people will come from generations of acknowledged African descent or if they're biracial or something, recent African descent. You have to look at the concept of "Blackness" in the AfroAmerican way of seeing things in the way "Latino" is used in the USA but the difference being "Black" people in the USA will all have African ancestry regardless of phenotype whereas "Latino" might not have a common racial bond since you can be full blown Amerdindian, 100% AFro and/or 100% Euro from Latin America and all get grouped together.


For example, if a person who has been "white" identified for generations w/o ever knowing they were of African descent all of a sudden found they were African descent, I/we wouldn't consider that person "black". So in a case like this, I wouldn't consider or look at these "white people" people as "fair skinned blacks" even though they, like numerous white americans, descend from African slaves.

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Tracing a family name to a hidden past

http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-mozingo-ss-htmlstory.html

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If your name is Mozingo, you’re Italian, right? Not so, says Joe Mozingo, who traced his family tree back to a shocking revelation — his great-great-great-great-great-grandfather, Spencer, was a slave, the direct descendent of “a Negro man.” Traveling from Virginia to Kentucky, North Carolina and Indiana, Mozingo pieced together the story of his ancestry, only to discover that some of the more prejudiced members of his family refused to believe the truth.

The Los Angeles Times three-part detective story incorporates visual highlights from Mozingo’s quest, and explores his soul-searching about what it means to be of mixed race in America, even when most of your relatives look white. The audio slideshow, narrated by Joe, is part of a multimedia package that features chapters detailing his encounters with both black- and white-skinned relatives, and a handy interactive diagram of the Mozingo blood line. Altogether, Joe Monzingo found four distinct branches of his family tree, all originating in the 1600s from an African, Edward Mozingo.

Mozingo’s musings about “where black ends and white begins” give the piece depth, as he connects the mystery of his ancestry to the potential of his young son in the “big continuum.”


http://kobreguide.com/mozingo_tracing_a_family_name_to_a_hidden_past/

^^click on the link to see the video


A White Face With A Forgotten African Family

Growing up blond-haired and blue-eyed in Southern California, Joe Mozingo always thought his family name was Italian.

But as an adult, Mozingo became skeptical of that theory when friends and co-workers began to ask him about his unusual-sounding last name.

The journey to discover the truth about the Mozingo name took him from the libraries of Los Angeles to the courthouses and plantations of Virginia and, finally, to Africa.

Mozingo spoke with weekends on All Thing Considered guest host Jacki Lyden about his first book, The Fiddler on Pantico Run: An African Warrior, His White Descendants, A Search for Family, which chronicles that journey.

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Joe Mozingo is a reporter for the Los Angeles Times. He won a Robert F. Kennedy Award for his coverage of the earthquake in Haiti.

Wondering about his mysterious family name


"I always had kind of a longing to understand the history of the place I lived in, and I think that kind of came from the fact that I had no family history that I knew of. ... Then when people started asking me my name ... I kept wondering, how is it that we don't actually know where this name came from?"

Discovering Edward Mozingo, the ancestor who gave the family its name


"I met a professor, who was Sherrie Mazingo, and she was black, and she had done a lot more research than I had on our genealogy, and had been to a family reunion in North Carolina. [She] came back with the news that the name was African, and that we all descended from the same person, and he was, in her words, a 'Bantu warrior.' My uncle, out of nowhere, said we did in fact come from Virginia, where this slave had landed."

"There was the period in Virginia, that I had never known about, where free blacks and poor whites were mixing and even getting married."

Edward Mozingo's arrival in the new world


"We think he landed when he was about 11 years old, near Jamestown, and basically when these Africans arrived, you know they figured they wouldn't live more than a couple of years — there was no reason to have a lifelong slave — so they treated them as indentured servants.

"Edward appears to have had a contract with his master to work a certain amount of time."

On visiting a white Virginia cousin who denied the story

"[Junior Mozingo] didn't want to hear about it at all. He had lived literally on the spot where Edward Mozingo had lived 300 years before, yet, he had this myth that they were Italian and they had gotten here in the 1800s — when, in fact, you could trace his linage straight to Edward. Edward was his seventh great-grandfather.

"My initial intention was to go there and make people's heads explode with the news that they were black, even though they weren't. But, you know, someone invites you into their house, and they are very nice, and you realize that this guy lived a very hard life."


Crossing the color line and leaving it behind


"There was this brief period when Edward did well, and then the rich classes really wanted to put the squeeze on the poor to create this system of slavery, which really marginalized the poor whites and the free people of color. Their fates went downhill really fast; they were suddenly out of money. One of them even re-indentured himself to pay off some debt.

"They basically started leaving the area, and that was the time they could reinvent themselves. Those that were light-skinned enough could say they were white, and wherever they landed they came up with a new myth. You know, people said they were French Huguenots, Portuguese — anything but African."



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So the house slaves had it soooooooo much better than those poor field slaves. They got the wings instead of the gizzards

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Not all houses were light skin and not all field slaves were dark skins. Was there a skin color system ? Yes but it was set in stone or definite.
 

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A very sizable percentage of unity is contingent on uniformity of looks, and is very possible for African Americans. It just means we will have to cast people out. But I can understand if we don't have the stomach for that..

That's like saying kick out all of the dark skinned/lighter aframs so we'll only be left with the medium brown ones

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So the house slaves had it soooooooo much better than those poor field slaves. They got the wings instead of the gizzards

:mjlol:

It's not about them being better. It's that a distinction is made. Blacks are discriminated largely because their phenotype is the polar opposite of whites. If the 'blacks' that some of you claim look exactly like white people, what is their black experience? Blacks around the world are discriminated against because they are 'black'. It's not enough to say 'shared experiences'. What does that mean? There are lot of white immigrants to the US who would argue that they are black too because they have 'shared experiences' to the black struggle. I think that you can agree that it would make it quite disingenuous to consider Eastern Euros, Scottish and Irish black. You can't built a strong identity on all inclusiveness, every ethnic group needs some level of exclusivity. And 'shared experiences' is too vague a term to built a cultural group on.
 

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It's not about them being better. It's that a distinction is made. Blacks are discriminated largely because their phenotype is the polar opposite of whites. If the 'blacks' that some of you claim look exactly like white people, what is their black experience? Blacks around the world are discriminated against because they are 'black'. It's not enough to say 'shared experiences'. What does that mean? There are lot of white immigrants to the US who would argue that they are black too because they have 'shared experiences' to the black struggle. I think that you can agree that it would make it quite disingenuous to consider Eastern Euros, Scottish and Irish black. You can't built a strong identity on all inclusiveness, every ethnic group needs some level of exclusivity. And 'shared experiences' is too vague a term to built a cultural group on.
As AAs we have our own identity. Our shared experience is completely than any other group
 

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It's not about them being better. It's that a distinction is made. Blacks are discriminated largely because their phenotype is the polar opposite of whites. If the 'blacks' that some of you claim look exactly like white people, what is their black experience?

These people faced the same jim crow laws as their darker kin


Blacks around the world are discriminated against because they are 'black'. It's not enough to say 'shared experiences'. What does that mean?

People of african descent in America faced, black codes and jim crow laws.



There are lot of white immigrants to the US who would argue that they are black too because they have 'shared experiences' to the black struggle. I think that you can agree that it would make it quite disingenuous to consider Eastern Euros, Scottish and Irish black. You can't built a strong identity on all inclusiveness, every ethnic group needs some level of exclusivity.

See above


And 'shared experiences' is too vague a term to built a cultural group on.

shared experiences between people of african descent in america isn't vague
 

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He needs to take a DNA test cause I do believe he is more SSA than white.:manny:

Maybe around 65 -75 % range.

this woman got around 65%

You're crazy if you think he is anywhere close to 75% black. His father is mulatto and this is his mother

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This is his son

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Neymar is at best 35% black and that is probably being generous.
 

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These people faced the same jim crow laws as their darker kin




People of african descent in America faced, black codes and jim crow laws.





See above




shared experiences between people of african descent in america isn't vague

How would these people face the same Jim Crow laws if it isn't due to their relation to visibly black people. A 'black' person cannot pass as a white person. If a so called 'black' person is because he has less African blood to nil.
 

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These people faced the same jim crow laws as their darker kin




People of african descent in America faced, black codes and jim crow laws.





See above




shared experiences between people of african descent in america isn't vague
According to your definition is vague because you refuse to delineate when black ancestry is so insignificant that it doesn't count. I stress again....blacks were enslaved because they were noticeably black not because they had 'shared experiences'...that's vague.
 

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As AAs we have our own identity. Our shared experience is completely than any other group
Everyone in the world has an identity. So do I. But wen you say your identity is based on shared experiences, that is meaningless. AA identity is based on the extraction of black taken from Africa and brought to the US. If as an AA you cannot trace your lineage to one of these people. Then you are not AA no? The white ancestry is a by-product of slavery but black Americans are black due to their ancestry coming from Africa or else you wouldn't be called African Americans.
 

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They weren't trying to pass.

It's not about whether they passed or not. If one looked at them, nothing would indicate they were black unless they showed their relation to black relatives. To me that shows right there, that their experience doesn't liken the average Black American.
 
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