Tariq is going hard pushing this #DontVote campaign

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Ok....most of those seats will be up for election and voted on the same time as the presidential election. Thats all Im saying. Unless you plan to just write in a bullshyt candidate for president and vote for everything else? I could see it as a strategy. I just dont see the benefits of non vote over vote in the grand scheme :yeshrug:

Sure, why not? Or even vote third party for the prez race. That's def on the table too.:yeshrug:

Again, the issue here is whether or not blacks should vote en mass at the national level, the presidency in particular. Black people not voting dem for a prez candidate, or even not voting for neither dems or repubs, will def be noticed.

Everyone agrees that we should vote locally.
 

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Okay, we can and will get to that. Right, now we can't even mention reparations with someone telling us that reparations for black people are divisive. Why can they freely say it's divisive you may ask because they already gout THE BLACK VOTE. Why would I give a bytch some money for some ass when I been fukking her for free for years. It doesn't make sense.
My nikka....the election is in November and we have no hot button yet. Hence, we probably won't have one again this election cycle. Just a bunch of bytching and complaining about every thing. Be the change you want.
 

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House and Senate are more or less local elections. Especially the house. They literally represent your district. Different from the presidential elections.

Anyone who's eligible to vote can vote if they wish. I'm all for voting locally. Tariq's point, as well as the point of others, is that voting purely for the sake of voting, especially at the national level, is not the best use of your vote. Unfortunately, the black electorate has been doing this, especially with democrats, for a very long time at the national level. It's very rare these days for a Dem candidate for prez to not get at least 80-85% of the black vote. And black voters for the most part don't get much for their support, if at all.

It's even weirder when other groups more or less vote based on who is pushing their agendas. Gays will vote for the candidate that supports their cause. Latinos will vote for the candidate that supports immigration reform that benefits them specifically. Asians will look for candidates who, among many other things, is against Affirmative action (they are going hard against it in Cali and other places). And so on.

Black voters have strongly voted Democrat for some time now. Yet, we've had DA's in heavily democratic areas basically shyt on black victims that were killed unjustly by police officers by not even inditing the killers. We've had democratic mayors call those protesting against one of those killings thugs (Rawlings-Blake), and another who flat out tried to cover up a cop who got caught killing a black youth unjustly on tape (Rahm Emmanuel). Also, it was a Dem president, Bill Clinton, who pushed for policies that resulted in a lot of black people being locked up today for bs charges.

Other people in those democratic areas more or less didn't do a damn thing either. During the Mike Brown situation, the governor of Missouri basically didn't do shyt except sending national guards troops and tell people to go home. Similar situation occurred in Maryland during the Freddie Gray situation. The known notable exception in all this was Marilyn Mosby, Baltimore's state attorney, who decided to charge the cops complicit in Freddie Gray's death. And the only reason Mosby, a much younger candidate who was outspent 3 to 1, got that position is that the people actually got their vote on in a local election.

As for Obama, rather than siding with the electorate that supported him the most, he basically tried playing both sides of the fence in terms of rhetoric, while pretty much doing very little and nothing notable on the police brutality issue.

He could've said that said that there are good police out there, but the irresponsible ones should be held accountable, similar to how he framed his argument when calling certain protesters thugs on a press conference (which is a whole topic in of itself).

He did not.

He could've slapped fed charges on Eric Garner's killer, just like George Bush Sr. slapped fed charges on the cops that beat up Rodney King after they were acquitted. The same killing everyone saw on tape.

He did not.

He did, however, not only openly supported gay marriage (I have no problems with gay marriage personally), after reversing a position he's held for over 10 years, he's actively pushing gay marriage overseas, especially in Africa.
Obama: Gay marriage ruling is 'a victory for America'
Barack Obama tells African states to abandon anti-gay discrimination

He did, however, sign a bill specifically benefiting police officers.
Obama signs 'Blue Alert' law to protect police

He did, however, sign executive orders that deferred deportations for an estimated 5 million undocumented immigrants (both children and parents) and provided undocumented immigrants (who meet a certain criteria) a renewable two-year work permit and exemption from deportation (for those that came illegally as children) and a three-year, renewable work permit and exemption from deportation (for parents).
Obama Announces His New Immigration Plan
Deferred Action for Parents of Americans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He did, however, earmark $12 million for holocaust survivors. Even though the U.S. had nothing to do with either causing, supporting, or continuing the holocaust).
Obama administration earmarks $12M for Holocaust survivors

His administration even began negotiations with France for holocaust survivors...in France...to get reparations. When the states of New York and Maryland were thinking of contracting a French company that transported jews to concentration camps during WWII, the Obama Administration send both states a warning saying that they are messing up the negotiations.
Obama administration warns states over Holocaust reparation talks with France

Meanwhile, Obama, like most dems (and repubs) is officially against reparations for black people in the US. And he has opposed it for a long time.
Obama opposes reparations for slavery

Now, are there some bills / laws Obama has past that ended up benefiting black people in some way? Sure. Were black people specifically the intended recipients? No, no really.
And even initiatives like My Brother's Keeper (which I like), or even the billions of dollars to farmers, other people benefit greatly as well.

-My Brother's Keeper: Black and Latino Youth.
Obama: Black, Latino Young Men Focus Of 'My Brother's Keeper Alliance'

-The Billions for farmers: Black farmers and Native American .
http://content.usatoday.com/communi...tlement-with-black-farmers-native-americans/1

So with all things in mind, yes, black voters should strongly consider changing their behavior. Black voters have played the "lesser of two evils" game for a very long time and it has bit us in the ass many times over, even with a black president around. Many black voters basically vote on autopilot, whether it be out of tradition, obligation, or otherwise. And when they do, they for the most part don't ask much out of their elected officials. As long as said elected official mentioned some rhetoric about black people that may be interpreted as positive, all is good.

Meanwhile, other groups are getting stuff they specifically ask for. Why? Because at some point, they put the pressure on their officials, and they are willing to pull both their votes AND their money off the table and put it to someone else who will take on their cause.

If both parties, and the Dems in particular, notice that the black vote is willing to not vote (D) this time around, you best believe BOTH parties will notice this. And ultimately, if neither party at a national level are willing to take on causes that black voter specifically ask for, then not voting for either, at a national level, should def be on the table.
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My nikka....the election is in November and we have no hot button yet. Hence, we probably won't have one again this election cycle. Just a bunch of bytching and complaining about every thing. Be the change you want.

My nega, I am being the change I want, by not giving my vote to none of these candidates. Now, got some folk in the upstate who will get my vote to turn this thing around.
 

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And I don't think you've actually read this thread or the responses. You may not have said that but plenty others have. Go back to first page, actually read the thread and get back to me.

I've read this entire thread . I've been posting heavy in here. I just don't understand whyv you would have an issue with black people making their vote count by saying, "we are not voting unless"

How can you have a problem with that
 

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You know what a kid told me the other day at weight lifting. "Coach, tell Lou that black people should vote for Democrats because they like black people and the republicans are the KKK". We all ready lost our fukking vote.
 
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I've read this entire thread . I've been posting heavy in here. I just don't understand whyv you would have an issue with black people making their vote count by saying, "we are not voting unless"

How can you have a problem with that
Because not voting is how you end up with a house full of far right republicans. You'd have to be ignorant as shyt to believe that's a better option to our current situation. Especially in THIS election of all elections. There's a borderline fascist leading the GOP

Cruz, Rubio, and Trump make W and Reagan look like moderates
 

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Because not voting is how you end up with a house full of far right republicans. You'd have to be ignorant as shyt to believe that's a better option to our current situation. Especially in THIS election of all elections. There's a borderline fascist leading the GOP

Cruze, Rubio, and Trump make W and Reagan look like moderates

Was it a better option to vote for Bill Clinton in the 90s for black people?
 

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Look at from this view

Who will your vote go to if this was the case?

Hilter runs for President

Trump runs for President

Mitt Ronnemy runs for President

Would you still vote??



But on here and among these older black folks that's over 40 years of age it's "Hey Black ppl let's vote, because our ancestors died for us to vote"

Know why you're voting for brehs and if it will affect your ppl

Even your ancestors who died would look at you crazy for voting ppl in office who don't give a shyt about you..
 

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Because not voting is how you end up with a house full of far right republicans. You'd have to be ignorant as shyt to believe that's a better option to our current situation. Especially in THIS election of all elections. There's a borderline fascist leading the GOP

Cruz, Rubio, and Trump make W and Reagan look like moderates

Cruz not a chance in hell he will win the Republican nod.

Rubio - what they going to say when that shyt about him and his roommate getting caught when he was young fukking in a park in Miami come out.

Trump - The republican establishment hates him. Plus, if he doesn't win the republican primary he is going to run independent and that will counter several republican votes for Cruz or Rubio.

I think Clinton got this thing under lock and key.
 
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Was it a better option to vote for Bill Clinton in the 90s for black people?

Hillary and Bill apologized in a public forum for that shyt. I don't trust her ass, but you'd be foolish to think her and sanders aren't far and away the best options.

Imagine how awful things would be had mccane won the election in 08
 
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Look at from this view

Who will your vote go to if this was the case?

Hilter runs for President

Trump runs for President

Mitt Ronnemy runs for President

Would you still vote??



But on here and among these older black folks that's over 40 years of age it's "Hey Black ppl let's vote, because our ancestors died for us to vote"

Know why you're voting for brehs and if it will affect your ppl

Even your ancestors who died would look at you crazy for voting ppl in office who don't give a shyt about you..


Absolutely in this scenario....
 
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