Tariq & Akademiks Arguing Over Origins of Hip Hop

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This is dumb because AK during the interview says "DON'T TAKE IT FROM USSSSSSSSSSSSS JAMAICANS"

He didn't say shyt about being a black american... He chose his side in plain english

most of you are mixed breed confused folks
a lot of you ONLY know klan members and mexicans

how can I argue with your perspective?
have it
 

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First off, I don't know what the fukk you talking about

Second, it was HIS perspective as HE said it, not me. So argue with HIM about who HE thinks HE is

you will not know what I am talking about because you have no real life experience with those you talk shyt about

as most.....you seeking conflict and a fight for no damn reason....

doing your best maga trailer park racist impressions

again as I have said a thousand times in the thread
if you actually knew any jamaicans who say that shyt to you then yes

yet if you knew any they would say Akademiks is a drunk poosy saying anything for money
 

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Kool Keith:

Here's a little story that must be told
Ah yes, yes y'all and you don't stop
Here's a little story that must be told
You're listenin' to the sounds, of the best MC, in the world
Kool Keith, go off and go off

I got a flier in my hand, Bambaataa with Cold Crush
The place is packed, with Johnny Wa and Rayon
Lovely ladies smellin' sweet, with a lot of Avon
Jazzy Jay by my side, Charlie Chase behind me

Flash and Theodore, super cuts that blind me
Catch a Groove is the rhythm, spinnin' back and forth
From the East and the Valley, swingin' back up North
Towards the South Bronx, Euceda Park and Webster

The speakers are pumpin', power bass is thumpin'
With the Ultra mega amp, keepin' pep up, jumpin'
From side to side, the double meters will peak
They had some good MC's, a lot of them, they was weak

They no style with no metaphor, no voice to speak
Melle Mel had the best rhymes, rankin' with Caz
Kool Moe tried to get down but I made him sit down
With that metaphor quickness, you bite and you bit this

Stop and go turn, see the flame and go burn
To ashes to ashes, dust to dust
Seven years later toy you still crusty crust
Your old rhymes are rust, very dirty and dusty

And under your arms you're kickin' power and musty
Get out of my way, and let the rhythm path roll
Let me run up the charts, freak a rhyme turn gold
While you're listenin', I throw a buzz in your ear
Bust the facts

Yes, yes y'all
Innovative
Let's rock, get bigger
Yes, yes y'all
Innovative
Let's rock, get bigger

Yes, yes y'all
Innovative
Let's rock, get bigger

Now swing your partner around, dosey-dosey
Like musical chairs and ring around the Rosie
The party you pace see, Kool Herc with J.C.
The Herculoids battle, The Disco Twins

Funky rhymes with break beats, the DJ spins
For the L Brothers, steppin' right in the scene
Mean Gene was maxin', Rockin' Rob went to work
While the tables would turn, the old needles used to jerk

With the belt drive, Technics and B-1's
With the orange light shinin', the red on D-1's
Direct drive and Nova, I'm chillin' with G.L.O.B.E.
Mr. Biggs and Pow-Wow, Monk and Superman

Pullin' out that Olde E, that funky funky 40 ounce
Ikey C from Cosmic, the bass bottom bounce
Red Alert in the booth, the T-Connection to mix
Silly rabbit you know my style has Trix

To go on, to the next line, to the break of dawn
While I move up step, to the early early morn
With a hip-hop drink and some rhyme popcorn
Never smokin' or sniffin' or ever jokin' or riffin'

Because it's time to plex more, and rhyme fantastic
Donald Rock and Whipper Whip, neither rapper was plastic
Back in the days, you had to be so sarcastic
To stretch out a rhyme and make it double elastic

You learn new jack, step back and be wack
You know what time it is boy and every mic I smoke
Bust the facts

Yes, yes y'all
Innovative
Let's rock, get bigger
Yes, yes y'all
Innovative
Let's rock, get bigger

Yes, yes y'all
Innovative
Let's rock, get bigger
Yes, yes y'all
Innovative
Let's rock, get bigger

Later on at the Boys Club, while Tom excel
I got a name for your brain that surely rings a bell
Patti Duke had the nice hands, swift with Billy Boy
Playin' James Brown records, you stupid you silly boy

Bongo Rockin', hard where the rhythm go
You fake and pass, Busy Bee give and go
To the AJ Scratch, a funky beat that matched
With a two-second break, that was hard to catch

DST was mixin', slicin' with his elbows
Freakin' the wheels, loopin' rhymes, here we go
To the master faster, speed up and go faster
Turn my JVC to mega power and blast the

Mario tape, yes The Disco King
With the b-side The Funky Drums, no new jack swing
Happy rappers with polka dots, were bound to get stuck
You had the Zulus the Nine crew, you're pushin' your luck

The Casanovas was maxin' all scheamin' to duck
You had The Black Spades, plus The Savage Skulls
Gang bangin' was over, neither crew is exist
They got a job and a wife, a pretty woman to kiss

So on the rhymes kept rollin', straight up into disco
Eddie Chiba was sweet G and back up to Cisko
And freakier Islam, with the Great Love Squids
Spinnin' high-top beats, can you check it, you dig
Kool Keith out smokin', my lyrics are hot
Bust the facts

Innovative
Let's rock, get bigger
Yes, yes y'all
Innovative
Let's rock, get bigger

Yes, yes y'all
Innovative
Let's rock, get bigger
Yes, yes y'all
Innovative
Let's rock, get bigger


Speaking of Ultra-Magnetic:

Ced Gee (west bronx) of ultramagnetic, witnessed early herc jams says it's a misconception that Herc was rocking with 2 turntables and looping in the early days. He makes it very clear that Herc was just playing the whole song on 1 turntable.




this further illustrates how that Herc "1973" myth is full of holes that are even corroborated by Herc's own tales of how he started/what influenced him. Another person who witnessed early Herc jams

Roosevelt Dmite Simmons (of the Furious 5) who grew up with LuvBug Starski and Keith Cowboy, came up on the West Side of BX and knows all them early cats

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w/ Cowboy


VcrEen0.jpg


w/ Baam

60toOAR.jpg


w/ Herc


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w/ DJ Hollywood


...his thoughts on what was being done at early Herc parties





Q- Is there any truth to what Flash has said about Herc’s transitions being off, and having the dance floor in disarray?


A- Disarray? Nah I didn’t see that. He wasn’t using a cue at first. I don’t think Herc even had two copies of records at that point. He played with reckless abandon. Just throwing records on. There was no cohesiveness yet to what he was doing. None of that mattered to us.
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I tell you what. I bet his system wasn’t in disarray…. that Herculord sound system was deafening even then. And this was a small club he only bought maybe two massive speakers and some Peavey Columns all powered by this Macintosh Amp. But he brought all his shyt wit him when he played outside - speakers stacked. You could hear his system for five city blocks in either direction. Easily. There were no Emcees yet. Just Coke saying fly phrases, like “jammin wit the jamming, servin wit the servers” and Clark Kent periodically dissing any B Boy he felt like. It was all very Kool

DYNAMITE - A BRONX TALE


.
.
Grandmaster Flash


Flash basically admitted to this when he talked about Hollywood and Luvbug (learned from Hollywood)

On dmite's page


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the actual Flash quote is from:

The Adventures of Grandmaster Flash: My Life, My Beats
By Grandmaster Flash, David Ritz


The first dudes who were cutting/mixing breaks while rapping at the same time was

1. Hollywood

2. LuvBug Starski





Along with early DJ partner DJ Hollywood, Kevin "Lovebug Starski" Smith pioneered party-rocking and rapping, while simultaneously DJing, at such Bronx hot spots as Disco Fever, long before hip-hop would become a household word.

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Speaking of Ultra-Magnetic:

Ced Gee (west bronx) of ultramagnetic, witnessed early herc jams says it's a misconception that Herc was rocking with 2 turntables and looping in the early days. He makes it very clear that Herc was just playing the whole song on 1 turntable.




this further illustrates how that Herc "1973" myth is full of holes that are even corroborated by Herc's own tales of how he started/what influenced him. Another person who witnessed early Herc jams

Roosevelt Dmite Simmons (of the Furious 5) who grew up with LuvBug Starski and Keith Cowboy, came up on the West Side of BX and knows all them early cats

U6KpNWI.jpg


w/ Cowboy


VcrEen0.jpg


w/ Baam

60toOAR.jpg


w/ Herc


zRyN09q.jpg


w/ DJ Hollywood


...his thoughts on what was being done at early Herc parties







DYNAMITE - A BRONX TALE


.
.
Grandmaster Flash


Flash basically admitted to this when he talked about Hollywood and Luvbug (learned from Hollywood)

On dmite's page


G3zJdoL.png






the actual Flash quote is from:

The Adventures of Grandmaster Flash: My Life, My Beats
By Grandmaster Flash, David Ritz


The first dudes who were cutting/mixing breaks while rapping at the same time was

1. Hollywood

2. LuvBug Starski







NPR Cookie Consent and Choices

Awesome pictures, never seen them before. Appreciated!









Give the Drummer Some and Funky to me are some of the best (Hip Hop) songs ever. Certainly go into my top 20.

















Enjoy,



 
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you will not know what I am talking about because you have no real life experience with those you talk shyt about

as most.....you seeking conflict and a fight for no damn reason....

doing your best maga trailer park racist impressions

again as I have said a thousand times in the thread
if you actually knew any jamaicans who say that shyt to you then yes

yet if you knew any they would say Akademiks is a drunk poosy saying anything for money
I do know one.. Ak

And my point remains.. I'm not including him in our set if he don't want to claim it himself... The fukk?
 

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I do know one.. Ak

And my point remains.. I'm not including him in our set if he don't want to claim it himself... The fukk?

sir you childish.....

it is shameful to be a blk man and not know any blk immigrants
yet talk shyt about them

fukk is wrong with you?

acting like a fukkin wite racists

set?
heck is wrong with you?
 
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If hip hop was greated by jamaicans, it would've started in jaimaica, and rappers would be rapping with jamaican accents, which is some horrible sounding shyt to begin with they need to still to they music, which akademiks obviously don't even fukk with that's why he culture vulture hip hop some shyt he has no idea about
 
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Also why is a person not from the east coast giving his opinion. Don’t understand how someone from the other side of this country is giving akademiks a man from NJ a hip hop history lesson on a region that he’s from.

Imagine a FBA New Yorker going to Califnornia and giving some cali nikka G funk lessons and saying he can do that cause the Cali nikka is Belizean…


:gucci:

The east coast abandoned hip hop a long time ago, yall was doing south music now yall doing drill music, that's why

breakin and all that shyt was yall shyt, and it's bunch asians in the olympics doing it, while yall youth posting picture with guns wearing tight ass pants
 

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If hip hop was greated by jamaicans, it would've started in jaimaica, and rappers would be rapping with jamaican accents, which is some horrible sounding shyt to begin with they need to still to they music, which akademiks obviously don't even fukk with that's why he culture vulture hip hop some shyt he has no idea about

are you another one with a cracckah mind who never met a Jamaican in your life?

yall type some real embarrasing shyt

any normal person would say "oh I know many jamaicans....let me call winston or winsome and ask them....."

master teacher - hey winsome yall created hiphop?
winsome- NO
 
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are you another one with a cracckah mind who never met a Jamaican in your life?

yall type some real embarrasing shyt

any normal person would say "oh I know many jamaicans....let me call winston or winsome and ask them....."

master teacher - hey winsome yall created hiphop?
winsome- NO

IF you wasn't born in jamaica you not jamaican, it's a nationality not a race you dumb ass nikka

calling someone cracka everytime you get your feelings hurt with some facts because you believe only a cracker can say something smart

you don't know shyt about hip hop, and we all know people from islands can't rap for shyt, it's not their culture
 

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IF you wasn't born in jamaica you not jamaican, it's a nationality not a race you dumb ass nikka

calling someone cracka everytime you get your feelings hurt with some facts because you believe only a cracker can say something smart

you don't know shyt about hip hop, and we all know people from islands can't rap for shyt, it's not their culture

I am not here to insult folks who have only met maga racists and mexicans their whole life
if they even met any mexicans

folks whose whole existence has been based on maga fake christian anti immigration racists
and try their best to ACT LIKE THOSE PEOPLE

heck wrong with you?
 
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I am not here to insult folks who have only met maga racists and mexicans their whole life
if they even met any mexicans

folks whose whole existence has been based on maga fake christian anti immigration racists
and try their best to ACT LIKE THOSE PEOPLE

heck wrong with you?

We in here talking about hip hop, you can't add nothing to do because you don't no nothing about it

now you talking abou maga and politics nikkaz don't even give a shyt about

who's the cac again
 

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most of you are mixed breed confused folks
a lot of you ONLY know klan members and mexicans

how can I argue with your perspective?
have it

to the person who gave me race baiting for that post
I apologise if I offended anyone
 
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