Not everyone is a Pac bandwagon worshipper.
Tariq & Akademiks Arguing Over Origins of Hip Hop
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Rell84shots
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The word bandwagon gets used way too often. If you think Eminem is better than Pac then you're clearly a troll.
PoPimp84
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Racially yes… all humans come from Africa. Culturally we are Black Americans, there’s a distinction. With all of the culturally rich tribes across the continent why is it so hard to see that Black Americans have our own distinct culture here within a larger diaspora?
Music is subjective. Calm down
And there is a huge Pac bandwagon. Nobody was talking GOAT, Top 10 anything before he died.
I do understand better now....
as said the whole indigineous to america native american no slave ships existed thinking
even when folks were saying they feel closer to racist wites than immigrant blks
at the time I did not get it
the same way I would not tell you to not have pride in your family, community, state etc
same way about being blk american
knowing I am dealing with a REAL anti african anti immigrant crowd
it does put things into perspective
Herc would have been a hero to you
Akademiks would have been just another suburban blk man like joe budden
yet they immigrants
or their parents are
therefore they NOT YOU CULTURALLY
I understand
Kings County
Law III | Law XXV | Law XV
lol you're a fukking lame
Flowers wasn't a Disco Dj in the way people think of Studio 54, he was part of the overground disco that gave way to hiphop. Not only he did have the first rapping mc: KC The Prince of Soul
and
Pete Dj Jones: "One of the first rapping dj's (KC The Prince Of Soul), I stole him from Flowers"
“That Special Beat:” An Interview with One of Hip-Hop’s Founders, Pete DJ Jones
A Toast to Grandmaster Flash: Hip-hop Pioneer, Turntable Wizard and Superhero DJ
; people who were there, said he had a crew of early stage bboys
now, connect the dots....
Brooklyn Music: BrooklynBio: The Mystery of Grandmaster Flowers
Ak is not even in the position to talk about the history of Hip Hop. lol At least get someone proper. Anyway, Hip Hop itself as a culture is not from Jamaica. I guess the confusion comes from, that in the mid to the late '80s and early 90s a lot Jamaican rappers had major influence.
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According to FBA it didn't happen, because FBA was already in the Americas for thousands of years. This theory is of course highly problematic, as we can see how things are now being shifted...
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That's a misconstrue of Hip Hop's history. Where do you believe Hip Hop began, in the mid 80s? We never heard any Jamaicans, or Caribbean descent. before the mid 80s. KRS and Just Ice have some in their lineage, and they started with reggae influences in Hip Hop. Luckily Just Ice made a song called Going Way Back.
Going Way Back [Intro: Just Ice and KRS One]
[Intro: Just Ice and KRS One]
To the best of my knowledge I guess that I'm fresh
And when I manifest I never protest
(Hold it, hold it. What's going on, Just?)
Yo KRS, what's the, what's the, what's the purpose of you stopping me?
(Yo man kick the rhymes you was just kicking to me a while ago)
Aight
[Verse 1: Just Ice]
I'll wax and maim, rappers who proclaim
To be the epitome of this game
Fronting like you hard, rugged and rough
Soft like butter, creamy like a puff
On the mic no sense, head very dense
Just listen to the gangster and I will convince
All that doubt my power of speech
The title of the gangster they tried to impeach
But um, it is protected by the black and the red
It's not true all gangsters are dead
Not a gangster with a gun, doing crime none of that
Kill a MC with the rhyme cause I'm the gangster of rap
In fact, exact, I'm the dominant black
Coming full force on, and power that's packed
For all the party people this is a fact
For all the pioneers I'm going way back
[Bridge: KRS One]
!@%&, that is funky funky funky fresh (Dope! Dope!)
If you could just keep kicking that, we'll be alright til '88
Dig it (Dope! Dope!)
[Verse 2: Just Ice]
Going way way back to the early days
Of 75 and the Black Spades
Chilling with my homeboy Muscle Man Ron
In the Boogie Down Bronx BKA Pelan
It was a privilege for people to see
Bambaataa rocking hard at 123
On a Friday night the boys would come running
To hear Big B stop a shocking and stunning
In the Hill, not a thing was chill
Sound Masters on the loose and acting ill
Up top, every weekend rock
Either 131 or around that block
But anywhere Uptown, you always heard the sound
Hip Hop, funky beats, MCs getting down
The truth I swear, admit and declare
The Bronx was the first, I know, I was there
The beats were dope, the sound was on
By the way saying Peace to my brother Melquan
Dedications have a little bit more
The L Brothers, Grand Wizard Theodore
I can't forget where we used to ill
With the young Sound Masters in Castle Hill
I can keep going on, for more and more
With Breakout, and Baron, and the Funky 4
On the other side of town, the mics in their hands
The lecherous, treacherous also perpetuous MCs cold in command
And if you listen to that for an actual fact
For all the pioneers I'm going way back
[Bridge: KRS One]
Word! Now you know I know
This is KRS with Just Ice (Dope! Dope!)
Ha ha. Talk about dope beats (Dope!)
Yo Just, kick me one more verse, please!
[Verse 3: Just Ice]
Let's rest, so I can take a breath
Cause I'm bearing the truth and nothing less
No disrepect intended but I have to show ya
If I didn't say your name that means I did not know ya
To get to the point, to make it clear
If I don't say your name that means you was not there
It's true, I'm from the old school
I'm the professor and they are my pupils
I teach and never preach
Not a bloodsucker, parasite or a leech
I'm telling you how, it was or is
The Bronx is the home for the Hip Hop kids
A long time ago when I was raising hell
With the nappy head of hair at the age of 12
I saw and heard, crews that rocked
The Cold Crushers, Monsters, Breakout, Sasquatch
You're not familiar with the funky sound
That proves it right there, you wasn't down
Had to earn a position, and do hard work
You can ask Kool Herc or my man Red Alert
He'll tell ya, because he knows for sure
About Flash, EZ Mike, and the Furious Four
I'll run off some names, with no offence
Listen up real close, as I commence
!@&@e La Rock, Clark Kent, my man Cool Fish
Homeboy Tre Dee and Frisky Frisk
Wonderful sincere, in the atmosphere
Almighty Kay Gee at Union Square
Dr. Kik rock on, and my man Shelt La Rocker
B.I., KRS, C Rasta
Definitely we would rock
And I can't forget my homeboy Big Knot
It's the truth and for an actual fact
For all the pioneers I'm going way back
[Outro: KRS One and Just Ice]
Well I think that's about as far back as we can go
(Saying peace to my man T La Rock!)
Word! Saying peace to my brother Scott La Rock, he's in here!
(Scott La Rock rock on!)
Word
(DMX peace!)
Peace!
(Peace!)
Hip Hop as a subculture was seen as low and not respected in general. Though Black American derived, it was a subculture not known to most outside of the Bronx and later New York as a whole. It's very unfortunate they didn't document it well. All we've got is flyers as actual testimony.
These handmade flyers from the earliest days of hip-hop advertise parties with rap’s biggest names
Spreading the word in the 1970s Bronx
timeline.com
According to FBA is didn't happen, because FBA was already in the Americas for thousands of years. This theory is of course highly problematic, as we can see how things are now being shifted...
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guess jokes on me
arguing with apaches and cherokees about Africa and the Caribbean
silly me
Revenge of the nerd ass nikka is who build the community and society. When Hip Hop was in it's highest element education was praised. The last pilair of Hip Hop is knowledge, but some put it first, because it enables to do all other things.
Btw, what do you think all these early Hip Hop producers was working with all that equipment, the EMU, SP12, SP 1200, Akai MPC60, MPC3000? Where they not nerdy? The best lyricist had the nerdiest raps. My Philosophy by KRS BPD. East Back by Ultra Magnetic MC's etc… EPMD two guys about to become dentists. Chuck D was in college.
In fact there was a white professor some years ago, who did claim that whites invented rap. And way back in the 80s there as a documentary on Hip Hop, with some German dudes claiming that it came from Germany. Of course it was laughed away and even other Germans called it out. A friend of mine had the tape, years ago.