Tarantino Says Marvel actors aren’t movie stars: ‘Captain America Is the Star,’ Not Chris Evans

[Master Teacher]

Easy way to illustrate what Tarantino is saying about these MCU stars not being movie stars is to look at how many times they, as the lead of a film, have grossed $100 million or more at the box office, OUTSIDE the MCU. And compare it to...well, real movie stars of the past.

Movie Star - Brad Pitt

32 films with 100Ms at the worldwide box office. And all of the films that are 15-20 years old would have higher worldwide box office numbers adjusted for 2022 inflation. For instance, Troy's $484 million in 2004 would be $763 million today. 12 Monkeys would be $330 million today.

MCU Star - Chris Evans

14 films with 100Ms or more....but 9 of them are MCU. 2 other are also super hero flicks. 1 was animated Disney, and the other was a cameo where he appeared as a MCU character (Free Guy).

So you can legitimately argue that Chris Evans, as a lead outside the MCU or Disney machine, has only one film to his name that grossed 100M worldwide, the ensemble flick Knives Out. Of course you can do the inflation for his earlier films, but the picture should still be clear.

Movie Star - Julia Roberts

24 films that hit $100 million or more at the box office. She wasn't the billed lead in all, but she was in most.

MCU star - Brie Larson

6 films that hit 100Ms, but zero of them are non-MCU films where she was billed as the lead.

I chose Chris Evans and Brie Larson specifically because they have billion dollar solo movies to their name in the MCU. Yet outside of that, they aren't really stars at the box office. People would go see "a Julia Roberts movie." No one is checking for "a Brie Larson movie."

It proves QT right about where Hollywood is atm, and will continue to go in the future.

Yeah but look how old those movies are

The only movies that make those numbers today are marvel movies lmao

If other movies were putting out numbers and because of those actors today, he would have a point, but they aren't

only movies people are going to pay to see are marvel movies and star wars, that's what the numbers say


They need to step their game up and make movies that are interesting so people will go to see it

Ain't nobody trying to see through hours of a tarantino movie at the goddamn theater because of his pretentious ass art nobody cares about

 

[UnQuantized]

Tarantino is right. I suggest anyone interested in Film History read the book Easy Rider, Raging Bull and/or watch the documentary on youtube. The industry has actually gone through a similar cycle before. In the 50s and 60s Westerns, Historical Epics and Musicals were dominating, Television arrived and suddenly people were not going to cinemas anymore by the late 60s the major studios were on the brink of collapse then a new generation emerged; Francis Ford Coppola, Scorsese, Spielberg etc New voices, new stories and a whole new cycle emerged which some consider a golden age in the 70s, new stars were created because writers and directors were taking more risks. I think we are in a similar place today, the storytelling has become stale, everyone on the creative side needs to take more risks and dig deeper.

 

[Master Teacher]

QT's last movie was the second highest grossing movie of his career. It made more than Shazam and Godzilla King of the Monsters at the domestic box office. Made more than John Wick 3, Men In Black with Hemsworth and Tessa (Thor and Valkerie )and, X-Men Dark Phoenix, Us, and Terminator Dark Fate worldwide.

and what movie was that, you can't even name it, yall love lying

 

[Tasha And]

and what movie was that, you can't even name it, yall love lying

Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.

 

[Master Teacher]

Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.

Thor Franchise Box Office History - The Numbers

Thor franchise box office earnings

www.the-numbers.com

Domestic Box Office Worldwide Box Office

Jul 8, 2022	Thor: Love and Thunder	$250,000,000	$144,165,107	$343,256,830	$745,246,850
Nov 3, 2017	Thor: Ragnarok	$180,000,000	$122,744,989	$315,058,289	$850,482,778
Nov 8, 2013	Thor: The Dark World	$150,000,000	$85,737,841	$206,362,140	$644,602,516
May 6, 2011	Thor	$150,000,000	$65,723,338	$181,030,624	$449,326,618

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Once Upon a Time…in Hollywood (2019) - Financial Information

Financial analysis of Once Upon a Time…in Hollywood (2019) including budget, domestic and international box office gross, DVD and Blu-ray sales reports, total earnings and profitability.

www.the-numbers.com

Domestic Box Office	$142,502,728	Details
International Box Office	$234,924,175	Details
Worldwide Box Office	$377,426,903
Home Market Performance
Est. Domestic DVD Sales	$9,441,074	Details
Est. Domestic Blu-ray Sales	$20,245,249	Details
Total Est. Domestic Video Sales	$29,686,323

Every Thor movie has outsold that movie domestically and worldwide

DC isn't Marvel, John Wick isn't marvel, Terminator is failed franchise, isn't marvel

 

[8WON6]

I agree. Outside of Chadwick I don't know the actors. I just know the characters

you don't know who Anthony Hopkins, Cate Blanchett, Idris Elba, Sam Jackson, etc...are?

edit:
Ben Kingsley
Lupita Nyongo
Benecio Del Toro
Robert Redford
Michael Douglass
Michelle Pfeiffer
Marisa Tomei
Matt Damon
Forest Whittaker
ANGELA BASSETT
Daniel Kaluuya
Angelina Jolie
Jamie Foxx
Christian Bale
Russell Crowe



yeah none of these people are recognizable.

 

[Jermio]

He's right, absolutely. Look at Tom Cruise. Denzel. Leo.

 

[Dem313wayz]

you don't know who Anthony Hopkins, Cate Blanchett, Idris Elba, Sam Jackson, etc...are?

edit:
Ben Kingsley
Lupita Nyongo
Benecio Del Toro
Robert Redford
Michael Douglass
Michelle Pfeiffer
Marisa Tomei
Matt Damon
Forest Whittaker
ANGELA BASSETT
Daniel Kaluuya
Angelina Jolie
Jamie Foxx
Christian Bale
Russell Crowe



yeah none of these people are recognizable.

I know the black people that's it. I can't name actor for none of these caca

 

[jwinfield]

Well B Jordan was in Black Panther, and he also is the star of a franchise called Creed, so once again Tarantino is wrong

he's made because obody wants to watch his flabby and sick movies

Scorcese and Tarantino are flabby and sick, all their shyt was always over hyped in the 90s, young people today do not give a fukk about them or their artsy movies

either evolve and make something new people want to see, or shut up

Doesn’t the fact you could only name MBJ, out of all the actors in MCU prove QT’s point?

Creed came out before BP and had the Rocky connection.

How did Just Mercy do?

How did Journal for Jordan do?

 

[8WON6]

I know the black people that's it. I can't name actor for none of these caca

as the kids say, stop the cap.

 

[Master Teacher]

Doesn’t the fact you could only name MBJ, out of all the actors in MCU prove QT’s point?

Creed came out before BP and had the Rocky connection.

How did Just Mercy do?

How did Journal for Jordan do?

No, B Jordan is a movie star and he's in Marvel movies, its proves his point was wrong

but even without B Jordan his point is still wrong

Rocky was a dead franchise, if B Jordan wasn't playing the part they movie would have been success, B Jordan is directing the new one lmao

they aren't any movie stars period, it's not marvels fault, the marvel movies aren't built around actors and no superhero movie was except maybe Blade which people only went to see because Wesley Snipes

Marvel do boxing office numbers because they are movie theater stop movies, the theater experience in the movie watching with other fans is why they go to see these movies in the theater plus the special effects

Nobody wants to sit through some pretentious ass drama for hours in a goddamn movie theater when they can watch it at home

Marvel isn't stopping anybody from making big films people want to see

THEY CAN'T DO IT

The movie industry is struggling because Hollywood is producing films people want to see, THAT'S IT

 

[Tasha And]

you don't know who Anthony Hopkins, Cate Blanchett, Idris Elba, Sam Jackson, etc...are?

edit:
Ben Kingsley
Lupita Nyongo
Benecio Del Toro
Robert Redford
Michael Douglass
Michelle Pfeiffer
Marisa Tomei
Matt Damon
Forest Whittaker
ANGELA BASSETT
Daniel Kaluuya
Angelina Jolie
Jamie Foxx
Christian Bale
Russell Crowe



yeah none of these people are recognizable.

What’s funny is not nann one of those actors are one of the MCU stars/lead characters. Some of these are cameos or people the average person wouldn’t even remember were in a MCU movie.

 

[Diondon]

Marvel/Disney built a universe that millions of fans are invested in
That's the hook
to say the character is the star is facetious
cause some of them are C level at best canonically.
I mean Ms. Marvel? Shang Chi? Come on

 

[8WON6]

What’s funny is not nann one of those actors are one of the MCU stars/lead characters. Some of these are cameos or people the average person wouldn’t even remember were in a MCU movie.

Moving the goalposts. I love everytime this type of argument comes up because when you start listing all the "real" actors and actresses that have been in the MCU people start changing their arguments.

didn't even down to Jeff Bridges, Gweneth Paltrow, Michael Keaton, Don Cheadle, Chris Pratt, Josh Brolin, Willem Defoe, Tommy Lee Jones

 

[8WON6]

Marvel/Disney built a universe that millions of fans are invested in
That's the hook
to say the character is the star is facetious
cause some of them are C level at best canonically.
I mean Ms. Marvel? Shang Chi? Come on

Thank you.