It’s not moving the goal posts. You are naming actors that were well known movie stars before the MCU even existed and conflating that to actors that we only know because of the MCU.
Brie Larson is just trash, brehEasy way to illustrate what Tarantino is saying about these MCU stars not being movie stars is to look at how many times they, as the lead of a film, have grossed $100 million or more at the box office, OUTSIDE the MCU. And compare it to...well, real movie stars of the past.
Movie Star - Brad Pitt
32 films with 100Ms at the worldwide box office. And all of the films that are 15-20 years old would have higher worldwide box office numbers adjusted for 2022 inflation. For instance, Troy's $484 million in 2004 would be $763 million today. 12 Monkeys would be $330 million today.
MCU Star - Chris Evans
14 films with 100Ms or more....but 9 of them are MCU. 2 other are also super hero flicks. 1 was animated Disney, and the other was a cameo where he appeared as a MCU character (Free Guy).
So you can legitimately argue that Chris Evans, as a lead outside the MCU or Disney machine, has only one film to his name that grossed 100M worldwide, the ensemble flick Knives Out. Of course you can do the inflation for his earlier films, but the picture should still be clear.
Movie Star - Julia Roberts
24 films that hit $100 million or more at the box office. She wasn't the billed lead in all, but she was in most.
MCU star - Brie Larson
6 films that hit 100Ms, but zero of them are non-MCU films where she was billed as the lead.
I chose Chris Evans and Brie Larson specifically because they have billion dollar solo movies to their name in the MCU. Yet outside of that, they aren't really stars at the box office. People would go see "a Julia Roberts movie." No one is checking for "a Brie Larson movie."
It proves QT right about where Hollywood is atm, and will continue to go in the future.
It's moving the goalposts, yall saying "Marvel actors aren't movie stars"....then you moved the goalposts to..."Well they not leads".
He literally lead the 7th and 17th all time box office movies. these are movies outside of the MCU.Part of the Marvel-ization of Hollywood is…you have all these actors who have become famous playing these characters,” Tarantino said. “But they’re not movie stars. Right? Captain America is the star. Or Thor is the star. I mean, I’m not the first person to say that. I think that’s been said a zillion times…but it’s like, you know, it’s these franchise characters that become a star.”It's moving the goalposts, yall saying "Marvel actors aren't movie stars"....then you moved the goalposts to..."Well they not leads".
again, the MCU is FULL of "movie stars".
We supposed to pretend "Star Lord" didn't lead Jurassic World to 1.6 Billion at the box office. But he not a star.
Chris Pratt from Guardians was hardly known, he became "Star Lord" a damn M-level marvel comic book character...he "became a star" or whatever goalpost moving term you want to use, and he flipped that into 3 Billion dollars movies that he LEAD outside of the MCU.
Chris Pratt is actually an interesting case study. He's the closest thing to an MCU-made star with big box office success outside of the MCU, though this success is tied mostly to animated films (which other actors like Will Arnett has made money on) and a franchise that already was a billion dollar franchise (Jurassic Park). Lego actually came out before Guardians, so you could even argue that his first real box office success was outside the MCU.
We're giving Chris Pratt credit for Jurassic World?We supposed to pretend "Star Lord" didn't lead Jurassic World to 1.6 Billion at the box office. But he not a star.
Cumberbatch was definitely getting love for his skills before MCU.
Taking shots at Marvel is the equivalent to shytting on straight black men on social media: you’re guaranteed to start trending.i wonder how much of this uproar from Quentin is because he's got a new book out that he's written and he's just trying to muster up some attention for that.
