Tarantino Says Marvel actors aren’t movie stars: ‘Captain America Is the Star,’ Not Chris Evans

[Payday23]

We're giving Chris Pratt credit for Jurassic World?

Cumberbatch was definitely getting love for his skills before MCU.

But what Cumberbatch movie were people lining up to see?

What movie had the general public going "You checking out that Cumberbatch movie?"

This is QT's point, not about an actor's skills or whether Marvel movies should be considered cinema, but that for the most part, gone is the day where you had actors that were brands, that having their name attached to a project made it a must see.

Cats aren't checking out for Hemsworth movies, but they'll see him as Thor.

Scarlett flopped hard with Ghost in the Shell.

The Cumberbatch slander won't be tolerated. He was Sherlock Holmes. The MCU helped but they're were stars before. Same for RDJ, MBJ bettany, bale etc. Yes the MCU helps some stars but you knew Madden and Harrington before the eternals. Chris Pratt was in several tv shows and movies, it's why he got casted as star lord and for JW. SJ was a bad cast for GIS

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

how's that even a debate? nobody cared about The Grey man or whatever the fucc... lol.

Tom Cruise bodied all the marvel sh-t this year tho..

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Okay, and?


nikka sound like a hater

why would QT be a hater? he's Hollywood royalty.. People in the thread here are just mad because Anthony said "16-year olds and China" ... the movies aren't really supposed to be for 40-year old coli posters.

 

[jwinfield]

The Cumberbatch slander won't be tolerated. He was Sherlock Holmes. The MCU helped but they're were stars before. Same for RDJ, MBJ bettany, bale etc. Yes the MCU helps some stars but you knew Madden and Harrington before the eternals. Chris Pratt was in several tv shows and movies, it's why he got casted as star lord and for JW. SJ was a bad cast for GIS

Your definition of a "star" seems to be anyone that's been in tv or movies before.

Paul Bettany has been around a long time, been in a lot of shyt, but has never been a star. Richard Madden and Kit Harington aren't stars. The average person has no idea who the fukk Kit Harington is, you say Jon Snow, then people know who you're talking about.

The examples used like Denzel, Tom Cruise, Stallone, Arnold, Julia Roberts, Tom Hanks, Leo, were/are household names that just by their name alone, would draw attention to your movie.

Again, you consider my statement that no one was lining up to see Cumberbatch movies as slander. What movies have he been in where his presence but asses in the seat?

 

[Tasha And]

This is QT's point, not about an actor's skills or whether Marvel movies should be considered cinema, but that for the most part, gone is the day where you had actors that were brands, that having their name attached to a project made it a must see.

!!!!!!!

Certain actors used to effectively be their own genre of movie.

Adam Sandler at one point basically could have had his own section in a video store. Jim Carrey too.

That hasn't gone away completely. As recently as the mid to late 2010's we had Melissa Mccarthy and Kevin Hart doing as their own movie star comedy genres, but you can clearly see that being phased out as the industry constricts down to franchise films and pre-remake-sequels, where movie stars aren't really needed, except to do voice acting in animated movies (something Kevin Hart is doing a lot of nowadays).

Talent that used to be able to cultivate moderate to high box office followings and become movie "brands", are now basically being regulated to streaming and TV. It makes for good TV content, but you can see how Hollywood purists are letdown by how big screen talent and content is shrinking down to the small screen.

 

[Payday23]

Your definition of a "star" seems to be anyone that's been in tv or movies before.

Paul Bettany has been around a long time, been in a lot of shyt, but has never been a star. Richard Madden and Kit Harington aren't stars. The average person has no idea who the fukk Kit Harington is, you say Jon Snow, then people know who you're talking about.

The examples used like Denzel, Tom Cruise, Stallone, Arnold, Julia Roberts, Tom Hanks, Leo, were/are household names that just by their name alone, would draw attention to your movie.

Again, you consider my statement that no one was lining up to see Cumberbatch movies as slander. What movies have he been in where his presence but asses in the seat?

 

[Remote]

Marvel movies are boring.

Good vs bad.
Lame acting.
No subtext.
No depth to the characters.

They’re easy money grabs for the summer.
Fast and the Furious with cosplay.

 

[Unfiltered]

I don't know i think Americans like to fantasize and super heroes give them that.

Alot with the internet alotmof the more serious themed movies like Philadelphia from back in the day the audience don't even even care for the plot.

I think we just think differently now, i can't ble the studios for catering to the money and superheroes are big money.

 

[Roid Jones]

He's right it's not a new sentiment Anthony Mackie said the same thing, Marvel knows this hence why they continue to low ball the actors.

Hollywood currently is woeful at creating new stars, they simply what a new version of an existing actor.

 

[Big Boss]

he's makes a good point

 

[Cladyclad]

If u can’t take a movie like a comedy or drama or non comic book movie to 100 milly u are not a star. And tbh u got to have 3 of them type movies to be official

 

[ForeverLurking]

How do interviews work

 

[Big Boss]

He's not knocking their performance. He's just saying that these roles aren't making them movie stars, the same way we had legitimate movie stars in the 80s, 90s, and even 2000's. They aren't even parlaying the massive success of their MCU fame into massive success outside of the MCU. Not to the extent that famous actors in yesteryear could. Some of these MCU actors are starring in straight to Netflix movies nobody has heard of when they aren't in a MCU flick.

Batman, Spiderman, and Superman have been played by a ton of actors, and will continue to be in the future, along with Ironman, Wolverine, Black Panther. People will have their favorite performances, like some folks prefer Michael Fassbenders Magneto to Ian Mckkellen, but the fact will remain that its the character that is the star....and this reality, which wasn't as strong when RDJ first blew up the role of Iron Man, is getting more pronounced by the year.

Movie stars used to be able to generate huge box office numbers on their names alone. People went to see the latest Arnold movie, or the latest Will Smith movie, or the latest Tom Cruise movie. It didn't really even matter what the movie was about, if it was original or based on something pre-existing. They just wanted to see their favorite movie stars in their next thing. And studios would greenlight movies based on the box office appeal of these stars. But that has shifted in the era of Marvel Studios and franchise film building.

facts

 

[Killigraphy]

Everything good gets saturated....that's how a business model works....

Call of Duty
Disney Films
Action films
Horror Films

This is the problem with actors and directors, they really just need to shut up about it, they become so jaded, they literally have no idea how hypocritical they're being. Also Quentin should be the last one talking, his movies are essentially comic book movies...Django had dudes flying 10+ feet after taking a handgun blast.

Also this logic conveniently ignores; Dunkirk, Parasite, One Night in Miami, Dune, and literally several others in the last decade that had nothing to do with Marvel and are A+ films which standalone without a comic book superhero push. Posts like this make them come off as so fukking ignorant.

 

[Big Boss]

I agree with this. Thats the mistake Black Panther director/producers made. They forgot ”black panther/Tchalla” was the star not Chadwick.

right chadwick released a movie a year after black panther called 21 bridges and it did 49 million on a 33 million budget.

if chadwick was a huge star, that movie would have did 100 to 200 million in box office